It's Game Over for 'Flat Earth' Theorists!

Sorry folks but... using nothing but latex balloons and a cheap camera we (at La Bisbal school in Spanish Catalonia) have managed to photograph the Earth from 20 miles up, clearly showing the Earth's curve. You can find details by searching us and then you can repeat our experiment.

I don't know, perhaps you can turn this website into an information resource about the history of flat Earth ideas. But, when it's as easy to prove as this -a balloon and a $60 camera- it really is over for you.

Nice pictures. Too bad they're going to call fake on these. Or say bendy light.

I'm not seeing any curvature. All I see is flatness on the first picture and a circle on the second picture. As FET predicts, being that high up you would indeed see a circular light pattern due to the sun's light. This is not the first time this has been posted, which is why I laughed. You round earthers try the same things over and over again. Its pathetic, really.

I'm not seeing any curvature. All I see is flatness on the first picture and a circle on the second picture. As FET predicts, being that high up you would indeed see a circular light pattern due to the sun's light. This is not the first time this has been posted, which is why I laughed. You round earthers try the same things over and over again. Its pathetic, really.

As RET predicts, being that high up, you see the curvature of the earth because it's round.

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

At the edge of the atmosphere in RET you are looking down at a Sphere.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

At the edge of the atmosphere in RET you are looking down at a Sphere.

It looks like we're at an impasse then, doesn't it?

Better luck next time Round Earthers.

Quote from: CidTheKid on January 01, 2012, 10:10:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

At the edge of the atmosphere in RET you are looking down at a Sphere.

It looks like we're at an impasse then, doesn't it?

Better luck next time Round Earthers.

Concession Accepted, Tommy Boy. Glad to see you've given up on Flat Earth Theory.

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

It's wrong because in FET, the Sun's spotlight is only a circle on very rare occasions, and not in all directions. Take the edge of the Sun's spotlight on the equinoxes. The edge is a straight line. When the Sun is south of the Equator, it's a concave line. And even if you argue that all the pictures are taken when the Sun is North of the Equator, you'll still left with the problem that the horizon occurs too close to make your model.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

You should stop throwing around "special pleading fallacy" in every thread until you learn and digest what it actually means.

Concession Accepted, Tommy Boy. Glad to see you've given up on Flat Earth Theory.

Slight curvature from the edge of the atmosphere is easily explained in FET. What did I concede?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

It's wrong because in FET, the Sun's spotlight is only a circle on very rare occasions, and not in all directions. Take the edge of the Sun's spotlight on the equinoxes. The edge is a straight line. When the Sun is south of the Equator, it's a concave line. And even if you argue that all the pictures are taken when the Sun is North of the Equator, you'll still left with the problem that the horizon occurs too close to make your model.

Who said the sun's spotlight is constantly warping in shape?

I don't see that in the Wiki, ENAG, or FAQ.

Quote from: ClockTower on January 01, 2012, 10:53:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

You should stop throwing around "special pleading fallacy" in every thread until you learn and digest what it actually means.

Do tell us just how special pleading fallacy doesn't apply here. I'm sure that you agree that the "when you look down you see a circle" argument came only after FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos. Before then is was simply a conspiracy argument, right?

Quote from: CidTheKid

Concession Accepted, Tommy Boy. Glad to see you've given up on Flat Earth Theory.

Slight curvature from the edge of the atmosphere is easily explained in FET. What did I concede?

Quote from: ClockTower on January 01, 2012, 10:53:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Again... This special pleading is both a fallacy and wrong.

It's wrong because in FET, the Sun's spotlight is only a circle on very rare occasions, and not in all directions. Take the edge of the Sun's spotlight on the equinoxes. The edge is a straight line. When the Sun is south of the Equator, it's a concave line. And even if you argue that all the pictures are taken when the Sun is North of the Equator, you'll still left with the problem that the horizon occurs too close to make your model.

Who said the sun's spotlight is constantly warping in shape?

I don't see that in the Wiki, ENAG, or FAQ.

It's really simple, Tom. Plot on whatever consistent map of the Earth you like the light area of the Earth on the first day of SH Summer at 1AM and 1PM. Then do the same for the first day of NH Summer. I realize that it's inconvenient to you, but your theory does have to match reality.

Oh, and if you'd like to try to dodge this by saying that there is no consistent map of the Earth, we'll take that as a victory. Thanks.

FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos

Barcroft Media is amateur is it? Their website suggests otherwise.

They also produce pictures like this

I don't think we'll be turning out the lights just yet.

Barcroft Media

Quote from: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 01:31:53 AM

FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos

Barcroft Media is amateur is it?

Where in my post did I mention Barcroft Media?

Quote from: Thork on January 02, 2012, 01:38:31 AM

Quote from: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 01:31:53 AM

FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos

Barcroft Media is amateur is it?

Where in my post did I mention Barcroft Media?

1) Please link me to the photos you were referring to
2) and state why those photos are the ones we should have realised you were referring to.

Playing stupid word games when your challenges fall on their face doesn't change the fact the earth is flat. Its flat whatever you say. Your words can't hurt it.

Quote from: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 01:41:36 AM

Quote from: Thork on January 02, 2012, 01:38:31 AM

Quote from: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 01:31:53 AM

FET was challenged with amateur edge-of-space photos

Barcroft Media is amateur is it?

Where in my post did I mention Barcroft Media?

1) Please link me to the photos you were referring to
2) and state why those photos are the ones we should have realised you were referring to.

Play stupid word games when your challenges fall on their face doesn't change the fact the earth is flat. Its flat whatever you say. Your words can't hurt it.

1) I refer you to the search function. Here's one that I found in a minute's search: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868
2) I refer you to what I wrote that you even quoted.

Again, where in my post did I mention Barcroft Media?

1) I refer you to the search function. Here's one that I found in a minute's search: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868

Oh, I see. You were referring to a 6 month old thread. Of course. You'll be aware that the topic of this thread is the photos and evidence contained within, and grasping for outside information to make your frivolous non-observations relevant is a derailment.
I'll also thank you for crashing the site for everyone else, during your pointless search.

Quote from: ClockTower on January 02, 2012, 02:00:50 AM

1) I refer you to the search function. Here's one that I found in a minute's search: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49284.msg1209868#msg1209868

Oh, I see. You were referring to a 6 month old thread. Of course. You'll be aware that the topic of this thread is the photos and evidence contained within, and grasping for outside information to make your frivolous non-observations relevant is a derailment.
I'll also thank you for crashing the site for everyone else, during your pointless search.

I do appreciate that history does tend to disprove FEers. Sorry about that.
You'll note that a challenge of special pleading requires one to open their mind to the past.
Tell me how to answer your question without searching for the link you requested.
Please lodge your complaint about downtime to the appropriate person.

ClockTower, Thork is referring to the photos posted by CidTheKid. They have a "Barcroft Media" watermark in the bottom left corner. He has concluded that Barcroft Media fabricated the photos, probably because the extent of his "research" was searching the name on google images.

Unfortunately for Thork, Barcroft Media merely cropped and published those two photos for a news article. The original photos, without watermarks, along with several others, can be found on the Spanish students' flickr page.

Concession Accepted, Tommy Boy. Glad to see you've given up on Flat Earth Theory.

protip: Putting words in someone else's mouth, especially in the "Excellent, so you agree with me" style is a very old move here on FES. Feel free to use it (everyone does), but don't expect it to be effective.
protip: The topic of amateurs sending balloons up high and taking pictures is also incredibly old. You could use the search function.

Posting in this quality thread.

I've determined that the main difference between Clocksy's debate technique and mine is that I use more than one fallacy and usually refer to them by the Latin.

Amateur balloon photos.
Old news.

Results.
Inconclusive.

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Tom, is the edge of this circle the day/night terminator or is it the horizon?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Tom, is the edge of this circle the day/night terminator or is it the horizon?

Depends on how high you are, I'd imagine, but you'd have to be pretty damn high to be able to see the twilight.

Quote from: markjo on January 02, 2012, 10:17:26 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Tom, is the edge of this circle the day/night terminator or is it the horizon?

Depends on how high you are, I'd imagine, but you'd have to be pretty damn high to be able to see the twilight.

Like about this high?

If the curvature we're seeing is the edge of the disc, then FES should be able to produce an accurate map by examining such photos. Where's the ice wall?

Quote from: Tausami on January 02, 2012, 10:18:45 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 02, 2012, 10:17:26 AM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 01, 2012, 10:08:27 PM

At the edge of the atmosphere in FET you are looking down at a circle.

Tom, is the edge of this circle the day/night terminator or is it the horizon?

Depends on how high you are, I'd imagine, but you'd have to be pretty damn high to be able to see the twilight.

Like about this high?

Or, you know, directly over it. That works too.

Quote from: markjo on January 02, 2012, 10:26:05 AM

Like about this high?

Or, you know, directly over it. That works too.

Of course it doesn't look like the sun is making a spotlight either.

Quote from: Tausami on January 02, 2012, 10:42:22 AM

Quote from: markjo on January 02, 2012, 10:26:05 AM

Like about this high?

Or, you know, directly over it. That works too.

Of course it doesn't look like the sun is making a spotlight either.

That is the effects of bendy light on the sun's rays.  Of course, you would know this Markjo as it is discussed in another thread.