Maps?

Quote from: EmperorZhark on January 05, 2012, 04:09:15 PM

Quote from: Thork on January 05, 2012, 01:22:09 PM

Quote from: EmperorZhark on January 05, 2012, 01:11:11 PM

This is a RE map, not a FE map, for the umpteenth time.

You are stood on a FE, not a RE for the umpteenth time. I guess we are at an impasse.

Yep. You don't understand cartography and projections.

You do not understand the shape of the earth.

This could be a very long game.

It has been constantly demonstrated that you mistake FE maps with RE maps and i am the one who doesn't understand the shape of the Earth?

And you seriously believe that I do not understand what a sphere or a flat surface is?

i do realise that. but im jsut saying on a roundy map continents do appear the wrong size. there is no excuse for the flat map but i thought it was worth mentioning before the flat finger demanded an explanation

The flat map is distorted because it uses a picture of a round Earth. The continents on the edge are distorted because they are being viewed from an angle, not 90 degrees

I thought flat earth theory didnt have an agreed upon map.

I thought flat earth theory didnt have an agreed upon map.

That's what they claim when you debunk one of their proposed maps.

Oh I see. It seems to me that navigators and pilots have for hundreds of years circumnavigated the globe based on round earth maps and round earth projections, based upon round earth theory and "science", with zero problems.

I wonder, has a navigator ever successfully charted a course using a flat earth map or flat earth projections? I fail to see how if flat earth theory is real, than everybody in the world isn't aware of this based on the observations of millions of people.

Oh I see. It seems to me that navigators and pilots have for hundreds of years circumnavigated the globe based on round earth maps and round earth projections, based upon round earth theory and "science", with zero problems.

I wonder, has a navigator ever successfully charted a course using a flat earth map or flat earth projections? I fail to see how if flat earth theory is real, than everybody in the world isn't aware of this based on the observations of millions of people.

I would not say zero problems, tons of people have died, gotten lost, crashed, sunk, burned, and been killed by the indigenous people of other places for 100s of years while trying to circumnavigate/just go somewhere.

tons of people have died, gotten lost, crashed, sunk, burned, and been killed by the indigenous people of other places for 100s of years while trying to circumnavigate/just go somewhere.

Another win for FE!

I meant in general, they had no problems navigating by the stars on a round earth getting from one place to another. Obviously there were plenty of shipwrecks, disease, and indigenous run ins, but that's besides the point. The point is that the world is round, and people successfully navigate on a round earth using round earth maps.

I fail to see how this is a win for flat earth.

I meant in general, they had no problems navigating by the stars on a round earth getting from one place to another. Obviously there were plenty of shipwrecks, disease, and indigenous run ins, but that's besides the point. The point is that the world is round, and people successfully navigate on a round earth using round earth maps.

I fail to see how this is a win for flat earth.

Actually, they navigate using flat maps on a flat earth. You only see globes in a elementary school class room to help enforce the lie that people actually use them.

Quote from: areyouguysserious on February 03, 2012, 11:50:05 AM

I meant in general, they had no problems navigating by the stars on a round earth getting from one place to another. Obviously there were plenty of shipwrecks, disease, and indigenous run ins, but that's besides the point. The point is that the world is round, and people successfully navigate on a round earth using round earth maps.

I fail to see how this is a win for flat earth.

Actually, they navigate using flat maps on a flat earth. You only see globes in a elementary school class room to help enforce the lie that people actually use them.

Please do provide evidence to support your outlandish claim.

I also assume that people touch the globes, so your other claim is wrong too.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that FEers were lazy about their map and just colored in the UN flag?

no but if you read more than you post you will soon see that that map used is refered to the un map

Has it ever occurred to anyone that FEers were lazy about their map and just colored in the UN flag?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg/800px-Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg.png

Has it occurred to you that FES was in existence about 100 years before the UN was formed, and it's more likely that the UN stole that map from us?

We're the ones who created and popularized that map back in the mid-1800's when the Flat Earth Society (then called the Universal Zetetic Society) was in full swing, a public sensation, and widely talked about. Everyone knew it was our map.

If the UN is using it, maybe they're trying to tell us something.

Quote from: Aytron on February 07, 2012, 04:17:32 PM

Has it ever occurred to anyone that FEers were lazy about their map and just colored in the UN flag?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg/800px-Flag_of_the_United_Nations.svg.png

Has it occurred to you that FES was in existence about 100 years before the UN was formed, and it's more likely that the UN stole that map from us?

Typical Tom Bishop post, ignoring the facts. The point was that the map in the FAQ seems to be a ripoff of the UN flag. You really flatter yourself to think anyone has noticed FES enough to "steal" anything from it.

Yeah because the UN would love nothing more then to steal FET's thunder.




lolzzzz

Typical Tom Bishop post, ignoring the facts. The point was that the map in the FAQ seems to be a ripoff of the UN flag. You really flatter yourself to think anyone has noticed FES enough to "steal" anything from it.

FES was widely talked about in the 1800's. Newspapers of the day were publishing articles about us constantly.

"These guys believe that the earth is flat," etc.

http://newspaperarchive.com/

Go here and search for "Flat Earth," and you'll get 700,000 results of articles talking about a flat earth through the years.

Also see what newspapers were saying about Rowbotham: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za67.htm

Quote from: ClockTower on February 07, 2012, 04:39:21 PM

Typical Tom Bishop post, ignoring the facts. The point was that the map in the FAQ seems to be a ripoff of the UN flag. You really flatter yourself to think anyone has noticed FES enough to "steal" anything from it.

FES was widely talked about in the 1800's. Newspapers of the day were publishing articles about us constantly.

"These guys believe that the earth is flat," etc.

http://newspaperarchive.com/

Go here and search for "Flat Earth," and you'll get 700,000 results of articles talking about a flat earth.

And about 1.7 million for Round Earth. 

Yeah because the UN would love nothing more then to steal FET's thunder.

lolzzzz

You're underestimating the cultural popularity of FES.

The existence of the Flat Earth Society is routinely taught to high school students as an amusing aside. There are references in hundreds of books, newspapers, radio shows, and movies.

The cultural meme "Flat Earther" is in reference to members of this society, specifically.

What do you think brought you to this site, if not cultural recognition?

I found this site because I caught a reference in a wikipedia page. I find it absolutely fascinating. My co workers are all convinced its a sociologist's doctoral thesis that got out of control though.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that FEers were lazy about their map and just colored in the UN flag?

No, they're even lazier than that. They didn't adapt from the UN flag, they just directly stole from this.

It's funny how the public treats us. In The Mist by Stephen King, name Flat Earth Society is used as a derogatory term to describe a group that refuses to accept the presence of monsters in the mist outside.

Again, skeptics against the fantastic and paranormal are portrayed as outcasts and somehow less rational than others who are quick to jump on the supernatural bandwagon. As if "a tentacle monster beat him up and ate him in the back room when no one was looking" is the most rational explanation, and should be readily accepted as truth.

Flat Earthers are skeptics, and rightly so. NASA's claims of the fantastic need to be peer reviewed by an unconnected party, just as claims of a tentacle monster you saw in the back room needs to be peer reviewed by an unconnected party.

It's funny how the public treats us.

Well, yes. You are quite funny, after all.

Quote from: Aytron on February 07, 2012, 04:17:32 PM

Has it ever occurred to anyone that FEers were lazy about their map and just colored in the UN flag?

No, they're even lazier than that. They didn't adapt from the UN flag, they just directly stole from this.

Oh, and don't listen to Tom's lies about their map pre-dating the United Nations either. That model of the earth was indeed based on the UN flag and didn't exist until the late 1970s.

Quote from: zarg on February 07, 2012, 05:27:17 PM

Quote from: Aytron on February 07, 2012, 04:17:32 PM

Has it ever occurred to anyone that FEers were lazy about their map and just colored in the UN flag?

No, they're even lazier than that. They didn't adapt from the UN flag, they just directly stole from this.

Oh, and don't listen to Tom's lies about their map pre-dating the United Nations either. That model of the earth was indeed based on the UN flag and didn't exist until the late 1970s.

Read Earth Not a Globe, please. We were using that same map 150 years ago.

Quote from: zarg on February 07, 2012, 05:45:33 PM

Quote from: zarg on February 07, 2012, 05:27:17 PM

Quote from: Aytron on February 07, 2012, 04:17:32 PM

Has it ever occurred to anyone that FEers were lazy about their map and just colored in the UN flag?

No, they're even lazier than that. They didn't adapt from the UN flag, they just directly stole from this.

Oh, and don't listen to Tom's lies about their map pre-dating the United Nations either. That model of the earth was indeed based on the UN flag and didn't exist until the late 1970s.

Read Earth Not a Globe, please. The same model was used 150 years ago.

I have, and this:



is not the same map at all.

New Zealand looks bigger than australia in that map. 

I have, and this:

http://i.imgur.com/FHX6e.jpg

is not the same map at all.

Yes it is. With the exception of Australia and New Zealand it's nearly exactly the same.

The current map is the UN flag, with color.

The cultural meme "Flat Earther" is in reference to members of this society, specifically.

Nope.

Reference: The Complete Idiot's Guide to Memes, By John Gunders, Damon Brown, John Gunders, Ph.D.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on February 07, 2012, 05:23:05 PM

The cultural meme "Flat Earther" is in reference to members of this society, specifically.

Nope.

Reference: The Complete Idiot's Guide to Memes, By John Gunders, Damon Brown, John Gunders, Ph.D.

Actually, that's a reference to us.