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Flat Earth Victory
« on: December 25, 2011, 11:01:23 AM »
The "expedition" can be made anywhere. Either from Alaska to Russia's shore, as another user suggested in their thread I just replied to.
Or from France to England, over the Channel. Gratitude to kosh5, for inspiring me with this idea in this thread:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=52315.msg1283413#msg1283413

The idea is simple. You drag a very light chord, such as nylon, or something resiliant enough to not break, but light enough not to sink from it's own accumulated weigh in the water.

You take a boat from any of the ports on one side, and sail with one end of that chord to a port on the other side. Say you measure your distance on the boat, and it says "100 km".

Thus in a Flat Earth, the chord would then be anchored on the opposite port you've just arrived to. And dragged from both sides, both ports, to be made perfectly straight, or tensed. Then this cable will be measured, exactly from where it starts to enter the sea on both shores. If it's total length, once pulled perfectly straight, but not distended, to create an illusionary "extra length" from being drawn apart or elongated falsely, should be 100 km. The same length that the boat measured it's travelled distance at.

Also, in a Flat Earth scenario, when the cable or chord is being pulled from both shores, to be made "straight", it should become elevated, and rise up from the sea. As it's final aspect should be that of a cable that stays above the water, because the water should have absolutely no curvature after 100 km or much more.

In the unlikely case that the Earth isn't flat, that cable would being to sink, when pulled from both sides, to compensate for the depth it has to reach, in the middle, where it should be sinking beneath the sea, more than 1 km ? Or something like that. In the middle of the cable, beneath the sea, a submarine could measure it's greatest depth reached by it, assuming it is pulled "straight".

So if the cable being pulled across the large mass of water to become very straight and tensed, rises from the water, above it, or just at it's level, this proves there is no curvature across the sea. No gravity, just vertical pressure of the air masses above, pushing everything "down" unto the earth. And no possible way for the Earth to be anything other than Flat. Since it's seas have just been proven Flat, lacking any curvature.

Of course, no sea expedition has EVER tried to, to show how the chord, when pulled from both sides, would sink to the sea depths, to a perfect depth of say over 1 km, or however much the chord should sink to prove the sea is curved above it. Thus proving they are trying to hide the sea not having any curvature at all. And that any cable, no matter how much you drag it across any sea, from very large distances, is still "straight", and remains firmly above the straight level of the seas beneath it.

Also, this experiment can be tested on inner seas, like the Black Sea or even Greater Lakes from Canada. As well as large rivers like the Danube or Nile.

Is anyone interested in using such an experiment or expedition to prove the seas are flat, and the Earth is flat, by obvious theorical extrapolation?

I thank you.

And your welcome, Flat Earth believers for this flawless victory against Idiocy world wide. Hopefully this will help our cause, and lead to even greater expeditions that will also prove beyond suspicion, that the Earth is Flat.

I can attempt to draw some basic visual aids for anyone, in case the theory is hard to understand. Preferably a Flat Earth theorist here with enough editing skills, can create any such graphics to help further explain the theory visually, and I would appreciate their enthusiasm.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2011, 12:04:45 PM »
Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
The idea is simple. You drag a very light chord, such as nylon, or something resiliant enough to not break, but light enough not to sink from it's own accumulated weigh in the water.

You mean like a String?

String Theory has already proven FET, you know.


Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
You take a boat from any of the ports on one side, and sail with one end of that chord to a port on the other side.

We don't have the resources for such extravagant indulgences. Do you think we're drinking fizzing champagne on a yacht or something?


Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
Thus in a Flat Earth, the chord would then be anchored on the opposite port you've just arrived to. And dragged from both sides, both ports, to be made perfectly straight, or tensed. Then this cable will be measured, exactly from where it starts to enter the sea on both shores. If it's total length, once pulled perfectly straight, but not distended, to create an illusionary "extra length" from being drawn apart or elongated falsely, should be 100 km. The same length that the boat measured it's travelled distance at.

Also, in a Flat Earth scenario, when the cable or chord is being pulled from both shores, to be made "straight", it should become elevated, and rise up from the sea. As it's final aspect should be that of a cable that stays above the water, because the water should have absolutely no curvature after 100 km or much more.

Even the best tug-of-war champions wouldn't be able to hold the string taut over 100 km. The force of Universal Acceleration would cause it to sag toward the water. And once it touches the water, the invisible disc-wide Latitudinal Currents (which carried the tsunami from Japan to USA) would cause the string to curve along with the boat's path. No matter which path the boat took.


Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
Is anyone interested in using such an experiment or expedition to prove the seas are flat, and the Earth is flat, by obvious theorical extrapolation?

As I have undeniably demonstrated above, the results of this experiment would be exactly the same in both FET and RET: therefore, RET is false.

See Earth Not a Globe, lurk more, etcetera.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2011, 12:24:40 PM »
The string doesn't even have to be perfectly still for the difference to be obvious.

Again, use your imagination to understand this crucial detail.

In FET the string would inevitable rise, even it sunk down in the water, when pulled from both sides, or even one side, while fixed on the other.

In RET the string would inevitable drop, plunging down into the sea, at an exagerated angle, because it has to create a maximum curvature depth at the middle of the distance, say after 50 km.

It doesn't even take a submarine to test this, since the chord will not sink beneath the water dramatically, to compensate for the curvature of being pulled "through" it. Since the seas are flat.

You must not possess the visual qualities to understand this yet.

Even if you don't get the chord to be perfectly still, because of it's weight, even as it's being pulled from both sides, it proves what needs to be proven, and shown what has to be seen.

In FET, it will definately rise. This is what will happen, inevitably.

In RET, the string should be well beneath sea level, as seen by a submarine or underwater pod, pulled perfectly straight, yet still deep beneath the surface. This has never been made by anyone, because they know this would never happen.

Since that chord will be pulled up towards the surface inevitably, as it's dragged from both sides, according to FET.

You must have not have thought this through. You barely even understood the experiment, or used any intellect to understand it. Please share only intelligent opinions next time. And think them at least twice before writing them.

I thank you.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2011, 12:33:58 PM »
No string, rope, or wire would withstand the pressure needed to keep it anywhere close to taught. Also the pressures required would be nearly impossible to generate.

This idea has been brought up a million times. The rope would go under the water no matter what.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2011, 12:44:34 PM »
This is what the chord should look like, when pulled from both sides to be very tense, but not to break of course. The red line above the water surface, that remains straight, no matter how long the distance between it's two ends are on the opposing shores.

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And this is what the chord should look like, when pulled from both sides to highly tense. It's line should "cut" through the waters, and achieve maximum depth, in the middle, where the waters should be curved upwards the most.




                                                                               
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In RET, the string would dive beneath the sea, while still being straight, and achieve maximum depth in the middle, say 50 km from both shores it's anchored to.

This could be even tested across the English Channel, not just over larger seas like the Bering Strait. Maybe it can be used as a challange to the Conspiracists themselves, to humiliate them because they cannot even use this plain experiment to prove the Earth isn't flat.

Since they will never accept this, or try to prove this, because it would be their undoing, it could still gain enough publicity if it was made, to allow further more elaborate expeditions to appear. That would draw more and more interest, to the point they will exposed for their lies.

If I am not mistaken, this could be their worst nightmare. The beginning of the End for their conspiracies. Since anyone across the world, with enough evidence, can simply create an expedition, film it for the world to see it, and sail across the sea to the other port, holding the chord, to show it firmly at sea level, instead of hanging well beneath the sea at the middle of the distance.

It could even be filmed from a submarine, to show it floating just at the surface, instead of lowering down from the shore, or being very very low at the middle point. How elegant.

Sadly, I don't think there's any public celebrity or well known enough or wealthy enough person to be a Flat Earther, and have all the funding to prove this experiment. This is the first obstacle, of course.

But at least it's dramatically less costly and faster to create, than the Antarctic Expedition. So it's a good start, no?

I can't seriously argue with you, because you cannot even understand the points I'm saying here. I need someone truly intelligent to judge this theory, like Levee / Sandokhan.

Is he still on this forum?
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2011, 12:49:44 PM »
Quote from: Raist on December 25, 2011, 12:33:58 PM
No string, rope, or wire would withstand the pressure needed to keep it anywhere close to taught. Also the pressures required would be nearly impossible to generate.

This idea has been brought up a million times. The rope would go under the water no matter what.

True. That's just the prototype, of course.

The opposite however was never proven. The RET's have never used this experiment to show with a submarine how their chord would radically lower and achieve a very low level several thousands of feet, in the middle of this distance.

Since they cannot perform this, assuming their chord would sink perfectly to the distance it should, by RET curvature measures, this means they are unable to. It's still a great argument to prove they cannot even perform this. Their chord will never sink to the low level it should, when pulled straight.

It will inevitably Rise when pulled from both ends, towards the surface of the sea. Even if it's floating on the sea, or just below the level. It will rise.

Or go down, way below the surface, at the middle point, when pulled from both ends, to the measured depth, to compensate for the supposed curvature of the sea above it.

If that depth is 1 km, and the straight lined chord, just hovers one or two feet below the surface, then it's obvious no 1 km depth is possibly, and the sea is flat.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2011, 12:57:36 PM »


Therefore the Earth is flat.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2011, 01:04:43 PM »
Just take a powerful binoculars and look over the English Chanel, if you see France than the earth is flat. Simple.
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« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2011, 01:10:35 PM »
Thanks for the image. Do you know what kind of depth the middle of the string should be, if it's 100 km long?

I am not familiar with RET measurements of their imaginary curves, so I cannot calculate this.

However why do you assume the string will sink so low? Surely a metal string is useless, because of it's weigh. A lighter material, that has enough boyancy not to sink, but not too much as to float above the water (like helium for example).

If such a material exists, and I am sure it does, it is perfect to prove the sea is flat, even beyond what the eyes can see.

If not, a large line of boats can be spread out, in a liniar fashion, each within eye sight of each other, each holding the length of that string on their maast. As they reach the other shore, the two ends holding it from a port, could be very elevated, like many feet to equal the height of the maast from the sea level.

When the string is being drawn from both sides, and made tense, it should sink the middle boats clean under the water, according to RET.

Since this is impossible, the string would remain tense above water, it's weigh no longer pulling it down beneath the surface, because it's supported by hundreds of ships, each in direct sight from the opposite two.

And so, if the string remains tense and very straight, each boat could have two cameras to show the line of it as it reaches the other two ships on their maasts, then the sea is as flat as the line being recorded.

And obviously, none of the ships would sink, not even the middle one, if the string is pulled from both sides. Since not even the weight of such a long string could ever sink the middle boat, as most of the water would easily support the weigh of the string itself. Even if it was made of metal.

A hundred ships could easily do this, even if they were a kilometre apart from one another, spotted with binoculars I guess would still keep them visible to the ship before and backwards, as progressing from the line.

If such as Flat Earth Chord could ever be raised, despite stopping ships from sailing through it, of course, it would be a great experiment to prove to the world how flat it really is. Anyone in the world could sail there, with their own ship, along the length of the Chord, filming it as much as they like, for all to see. And the Chord would be very straight and seen as a clear line for miles ahead on both sides. And remains the same, as the ships sail from one end, from a port, or a shore. To the other side of the port, or shore, where the other end is being anchored to.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2011, 01:15:59 PM »
Quote from: Cosmas on December 25, 2011, 01:04:43 PM
Just take a powerful binoculars and look over the English Chanel, if you see France than the earth is flat. Simple.

Yes, but not everyone can do this. If it were enough, everyone would believe in FET by now. They don't so this experiment is too obscure for them. Ironically, despite how plain it is.

I know England can be seen across the Chanel from France. But almost no one cares about this, or accepts this as irrefutable evidence. They can easily just turn their heads and pretend they cannot use binoculars.

That's why I'm saying a true expedition, with tangible evidence, such as a massive chord, but light enough not to sink under the sea, but to float close to surface, would definately proove it to anyone.

When confronted with that kind of evidence, showing them how the middle section of the Chord is still on the surface, and not 1 km beneath the surface, they have absolutely no chance of denying that.

They will, at least, be silenced for good. No one will take them seriously anymore, as they would have no filmed proof of their own. No tangible evidence. Unlike the Flat Earth Chord, as an international monument, visible to all, and filmed by anyone, to prove it's flat.

So even if the chord is above water, so it doesn't get dragged down from the water, or pushed down, it would still be straight, and not fall deep under the sea, to compensate for a supposed "curvature", that RET requires.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2011, 01:25:01 PM »
Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 01:10:35 PM
When the string is being drawn from both sides, and made tense, it should sink the middle boats clean under the water, according to RET.

Boats float so they would hold the string up above water.
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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2011, 01:26:55 PM »
Quote from: Cosmas on December 25, 2011, 01:04:43 PM
Just take a powerful binoculars and look over the English Chanel, if you see France than the earth is flat. Simple.
False. RET predicts that you can see France from England as well. Now why don't you try to come up with a real experiment to determine the Earth's shape. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2011, 01:42:28 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
Lies. All Lies.

This is very interesting. From a 12 story building in my city, the north side of it, from the 5th floor I could see and even take photographs with a digital camera of a mountain that was over 100 km north of my city.

The photos I have, including what I saw directly, showed a very flat plain, followed by mountains that rose from the horizon. There was no "dissappearing" surfaces or curvey edges.

Despite the supposed curvature that should magically manifest between that building I was in, and the mountain over 100 km north, there was none.

Just flat plain, flat horizon as far as that window showed the rest of the horizon, to the east and west of those far away mountains.

This doesn't always happen, only where visibility is very clear, that these mountains can be seen from my city, and photographed.

Or how about the Balcik, a port in Bulgaria, that has very wide bays, and the beaches can be seen on the other side, despite being very very far away. There is no curvature of the sea, at all.

Just flat sea, despite the waves going back and forth, as far as the eye can see, towards the distant and very flat, horizon.

I also have pictures from it's very tall mountains, on the souther part of the Black Sea coastline, where Bulgaria has it's Balkan mountain lowering down into the sea, forming massive ridges with few beaches.

There is this one cape, with a military base on it's very outer tip (of course). Where you can look directly right, directly left, and see nothing but water. That's how forward from the rest of the coastline is. It allows anyone there to see the Sea forward, left and right, continously.

It is flat. The clouds and cloud lines above it are flat. The straight line they form as they dissappear beyond the sea's horizon are all flat.
Just like the tree line that forms a straight line that unites forward when it appears to touch the lines of the road you're on. They all unite from straight lines on the distant horizon, apparently.

Same with those clouds on the Black Sea, or above it. Seen from a very tall, very proeminent cape, south of the Kaliacra Cape. When driving south towards Istanbul, of course.

So is my camera broken or something? Someone in my family also took pictures at that cape, is their camera also broken?
If so, apparently all three different cameras must be broken, including the one that has those mountains over 100 km away north of my city. Which only on few days are visible, through the air.

At the moment I took those pictures, the sun was shining on the mountains, it was just about sunset. So it was clearer, with very high visibility.

Every video I've seen on Youtube, with people in planes, flying anywhere, filming things outside their window, showed flat horizon, flat cloud lines, flat lakes, flat plains.

And this was as far as the eye could see. Much greater visibility than I had at the 5th floor of a northern building in my city, or on some Balkan mountain cape surrounded on three sides by the Black Sea.

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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2011, 01:47:33 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
False. RET predicts that you can see France from England as well. Now why don't you try to come up with a real experiment to determine the Earth's shape.

Why don't you come up with an experiment for RET yourself? Shouldn't be that difficult unless you're "too busy", if you know what I mean .....

I thank you.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2011, 01:49:07 PM »
Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Cosmas on December 25, 2011, 01:04:43 PM
Just take a powerful binoculars and look over the English Chanel, if you see France than the earth is flat. Simple.

Why don't you use RET to provide a good experiment yourself?

I shall test this, take pictures. No problem.

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Really? Have you lurked enough to see the photos of these experiments?

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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2011, 01:51:45 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Cosmas on December 25, 2011, 01:04:43 PM
Just take a powerful binoculars and look over the English Chanel, if you see France than the earth is flat. Simple.
False. RET predicts that you can see France from England as well. Now why don't you try to come up with a real experiment to determine the Earth's shape. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon.
Acording to RET can you see over the Black Sea  from East to West ?

From Russia we would need a telescope for see over a distance of 1200 km all the way to Romania nude beach,  but some people on this forum have seen satellites at ten times this distance so we can use their help.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2011, 01:53:01 PM »
Quote from: zarg on December 25, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
Boats float so they would hold the string up above water.

True. However, even if held above water, the string would have to be longer, if RET is right.

Say the RET's curvature, would add 1% length to a straight cable, because the boats keep the cable also above water, and lengthen it's course, accordingly.

So normal measurements of this cable, even when held up by boats, would suffice.

If the cable is exactly 100 km long, or how ever much it should be in a straight travel by boat, to it, then FET for the win.

If that cable inexplicably has to be 101 km long, or longer, and require more of the cable to reach the other side, then RET's curvature would have to provide the explanation for this.

This is more challanging and requires a more technical approach, and easier to human error and miscalculation. But even with this difficulty, it could still be enough to prove the cable remains it's original "short" FET distance, when help up by the boats.

Instead of the longer RET version, where more than 1 km of it would have to be added, to reach the other side, because the curvature of the sea between it's two ends, would curve it to become longer.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2011, 01:56:29 PM »
Quote from: Cosmas on December 25, 2011, 01:51:45 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 01:26:55 PM
Quote from: Cosmas on December 25, 2011, 01:04:43 PM
Just take a powerful binoculars and look over the English Chanel, if you see France than the earth is flat. Simple.
False. RET predicts that you can see France from England as well. Now why don't you try to come up with a real experiment to determine the Earth's shape. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon.
Acording to RET can you see over the Black Sea  from East to West ?

From Russia we would need a telescope for see over a distance of 1200 km all the way to Romania nude beach,  but some people on this forum have seen satellites at ten times this distance so we can use their help.
I don't understand your concern. Are you asking us to assist you in resolving the images at the nude beach?

As far as distance and being able to see the object, I can see on a clear night the Andromeda Galaxy some 2.5 million light-years from Earth. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy.

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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2011, 02:00:09 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 01:49:07 PM
Really? Have you lurked enough to see the photos of these experiments?

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Toronto as seen across Lake Ontario
 

Those are excellent fakes. Very interesting material to research optical illusions, indeed.

Really? Have you ever seen mist? You realise water forms a layer of very subtle, mist like particles just above the waves that throw them up into the air, and that thin layer of water particles, barely noticeable for the untrained eye, actually diffuses most of the light?

You can't see the bottom of those buildings, because it's reflected off the thin layer of "mist" just above the sea level. And the sea around it is reflected on your side, "adding water" to your vision line.

Thus giving the illusion to your eyes that there is more water than there actually is. The water is actually thin mist that reflects the water around it, and blocks your vision of the bottom part of those buildings.

Same with the ship illusion. It's lower part dissapears because the water particles risen by the waves below them, reflects and diffuses most of the light that passes through it. Thus reflecting the water between you and the horizon in that thin layer, giving you the impression there's water instead of the actual ship. That is "cloaked" by the reflective properties of the water particles between you and the ship itself.

The more distance between you and your visual target, the more light bounces off the water particles between you two. The closer and lower it is to the level of the waves, the more light is reflected and stops the light waves of the ship's lower part from reaching your eyes.

When the sea is very very calm, with almost no waves at all, does this illusion dissapear. That's the only time when you can see all of the ship, and not just it's mast, since the lower part isn't "masked" by the agitated water particles beneath it.

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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2011, 02:01:29 PM »
Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 02:00:09 PM
Quote from: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 01:49:07 PM
Really? Have you lurked enough to see the photos of these experiments?

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Those are excellent fakes. Very interesting material to research optical illusions, indeed.

Really? Have you ever seen mist? You realise water forms a layer of very subtle, mist like particles just above the waves that throw them up into the air, and that thin layer of water particles, barely noticeable for the untrained eye, actually diffuses most of the light?

You can't see the bottom of those buildings, because it's reflected off the thin layer of "mist" just above the sea level. And the sea around it is reflected on your side, "adding water" to your vision line.

Thus giving the illusion to your eyes that there is more water than there actually is. The water is actually thin mist that reflects the water around it, and blocks your vision of the bottom part of those buildings.

Same with the ship illusion. It's lower part dissapears because the water particles risen by the waves below them, reflects and diffuses most of the light that passes through it. Thus reflecting the water between you and the horizon in that thin layer, giving you the impression there's water instead of the actual ship. That is "cloaked" by the reflective properties of the water particles between you and the ship itself.

The more distance between you and your visual target, the more light bounces off the water particles between you two. The closer and lower it is to the level of the waves, the more light is reflected and stops the light waves of the ship's lower part from reaching your eyes.

When the sea is very very calm, with almost no waves at all, does this illusion dissapear. That's the only time when you can see all of the ship, and not just it's mast, since the lower part isn't "masked" by the agitated water particles beneath it.

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Special Pleading Fallacy much?
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2011, 02:03:35 PM »
Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: zarg on December 25, 2011, 01:25:01 PM
Boats float so they would hold the string up above water.

True. However, even if held above water, the string would have to be longer, if RET is right.

No, the surface is the same length whether it's curved or flat.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2011, 02:09:13 PM »
This isn't an Art Fiction thread. Visual fakes are pretty useless to this topic.

Especially since whoever drew that fake of the Earth, forgot to draw all the stars, and completely blacked out anything besides Earth.

That's not only idiotic, and an amateur's mistake, but in Direct Utter Contradiction (DUC) with the picture you posted of those stars in the other post.

How can you see stars so far away, yet unable to see the ones from the Moon, around Earth?

It's too amusing that even your own fakes have a self contradictory quality. In other words, you pretend to see a duck 1000 miles away, but cannot see it 1 mile away.

Your little bright stars appear only in the smaller image where they are numerous. But not in the image of Earth, where barely a couple are shallowly drawn in the blackness around it, to give the impress it's not faked.

Your delusions are throughly unfounded. Do you honestly think I would take an incitator, like yourself, seriously? Please, you're nothing more than a spammer, trying desperately to flood this thread with your lies, because that's your only occupation.

You know I'm right, and this means I've already won. This is just you, in denial. Pitiful peon, that you are.

Now, keep up your feeble propaganda, otherwise I will think I have convery you, or something !!

Keep your compass curved, and aim for "Great Success !!". You are bound to sink your ship on some flat coastline, sooner or later.

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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2011, 02:10:27 PM »
So if the earth is round, why is the water flat ?
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2011, 02:12:55 PM »
Quote from: zarg on December 25, 2011, 02:03:35 PM
No, the surface is the same length whether it's curved or flat.

How so? I have a different understanding of RET, in that case.

In the RET imaginative section, the water should be curved upwards, or convex.

In the FET realistic case, the water is still straight. And only in this case.

There is no reason for water to be concave in the RET, so I don't understand what you're saying?

If you have another graphic, to demonstrate your point, I am waiting.

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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2011, 02:21:52 PM »
Quote from: Cosmas on December 25, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
So if the earth is round, why is the water flat ?
In the RET scenario, their water would actually have to be concave. Which is much more unlikely and impossible.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2011, 02:23:57 PM »
Quote from: zarg on December 25, 2011, 02:03:35 PM

No, the surface is the same length whether it's curved or flat.
Only if you measure it directly, from the ship's traveled distance.

Hm, I see what you mean. We would first have to calculate the exact distance as it should be FET, then take into account the curvature created by the RET addition.

Since that's not possible, theorically, it's hard to measure. Damn.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2011, 02:45:24 PM »
Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 02:09:13 PM
How can you see stars so far away, yet unable to see the ones from the Moon, around Earth?
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2011, 02:47:12 PM »
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How so? I have a different understanding of RET, in that case.

In the RET imaginative section, the water should be curved upwards, or convex.

In the FET realistic case, the water is still straight. And only in this case.

There is no reason for water to be concave in the RET, so I don't understand what you're saying?

If you have another graphic, to demonstrate your point, I am waiting.

Okay, I have no idea what's going on in this thread anymore. Silverdane, I thought you were arguing against FET, and I was pulling your leg with a satirical FE response. But your RE vs FE argument became so silly that I could no longer stay "in character", and now you're apparently a FE'er.  ???

For the record, my first two posts were satire. But when you suggested a line of ships holding up the rope, you defeated the purpose of the experiment. Here are the graphics you requested:



This is the original experiment with no boats. Whether the Earth is flat or round, the experiment dictates that we travel 100 km, so the black line (representing the path travelled / Earth's surface) is exactly 100 km long. If the Earth is flat, then a taut rope (red) would be the same length, but if the Earth is round, the taut rope must go underwater and naturally be shorter than our travel distance.

This is the second version of the experiment, where the ships hold up the rope:



The ship-lineup necessitates that the rope is always parallel to the water regardless of the shape of the Earth, therefore giving identical results no matter what and making the whole experiment pointless.
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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2011, 02:47:30 PM »
Quote from: ClockTower on December 25, 2011, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Silverdane on December 25, 2011, 02:09:13 PM
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Why do you provide useless links to unecessary sources?

If you can't explain it yourself, you are utterly useless here.

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Re: Flat Earth Victory
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2011, 02:48:22 PM »
Quote from: Cosmas on December 25, 2011, 02:10:27 PM
So if the earth is round, why is the water flat ?
RET predicts that the water will appear flat left to right in the photo. Why do you think otherwise?
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