Will animals out evolve humans?

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WardoggKC130FE

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #90 on: December 25, 2011, 05:11:51 PM »
No but he was.  ;)

Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #91 on: December 25, 2011, 05:24:07 PM »
Main problem with this thread:

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone gives a fuck.
Except you?

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You're all trying to reason with a person so ignorant and intellectually lazy he can't even be bothered to read one single popular book on evolution (or Wikipedia for fuck's sake). This is evidenced by the question in the thread's title. Further evidence is found with every successive post from the thread-starter.

Ahhh adolescence.  Hormones raging are they big guy?  Don't worry, I'm sure your first pube will be here any day.  I just want you to remember one thing, I am better than you.  In every way measurable.  That is a fact.  Always have been, always will be.  There is nothing you could accomplish from this day forward that will up your status in this life.  I'm sorry.  Better luck next time.
Adolescence? Well that was...unexpected. You been drinking I assume? Shot your gun a few times, beat the girlfriend, ran out of beer and thought you would try and use your brain in the same way? Oh dear, didn't quite work out did it? You see the brain is like a muscle. If you don't use it very often, you know like if you're a dumb meat shield, it starts to go a bit mushy and useless. Kind of like yours. That's why you can't read a book that a 12 year old would breeze through and you can't understand a simple concept like 1st year evolutionary biology.
You're better than me in every way hey? You're certainly not as intelligent, so even if it were true you were better in every other way, it wouldn't matter here would it, eh shit for brains? Go on, ask another dumb question about basic high school science. You're almost evidence against evolution.
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Considering that natural selection in humans has now been thrown out the window, will animals, that are only getting stronger and more intelligent due to natural selection eventually out evolve us?


Who said natural selection makes things smarter/stronger? You're an idiot I swear.

Science did.  The weaker/dumb ones get picked off by their natural predators.  Allowing the smarter/stronger ones to pass on those genes to their offspring.


Doesn't that say something about humans?  Natural selection allowed us to out smart all of our natural predators.

You really are an idiot. I'll keep saying it: Read a fucking book you retarded hick closet homosexual.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #92 on: December 25, 2011, 05:26:23 PM »
Merry Christmas, everybody!
I'm not black nor a thug, I'm more like god who will bring 7 plagues of flat earth upon your ass.

Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #93 on: December 25, 2011, 05:29:35 PM »
No but he was.  ;)

What are you winking for? I said I was pissed off in this very thread a few posts back. But hey, well done for catching up eventually! You piss me off it's true. Why are you proud of this? Is it because you have no idea why? You're everything that's wrong with the human race. People like you will hold us back and will eventually lead to our extinction. You seem bafflingly proud of this fact for reasons nobody will ever know. Don't ever think that pissing me off is something to be proud of. It takes a moron of incredible size.
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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #94 on: December 25, 2011, 05:30:09 PM »
Merry Christmas, everybody!

Seasons greetings!

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #95 on: December 25, 2011, 06:23:18 PM »
Who said natural selection makes things smarter/stronger? You're an idiot I swear.

Science did.

No, no it didn't. It really didn't.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #96 on: December 25, 2011, 07:17:01 PM »
« Last Edit: December 25, 2011, 07:22:42 PM by WardoggKC130FE »

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #97 on: December 25, 2011, 08:36:00 PM »

Being as most Hollywood hunks/male models/Sports stars use anabolic steroids to get a physique that is otherwise impossible, it is likely they will do that with genes instead. That way you don't even need to workout. Who would work for an ok body, when a perfect one is possible for no work? And then when all around have perfect bodies, who is going to be interested in a runt like you? Everyone else is 14 stone of ripped muscle. Its gonna be hard to get laid when everyone else is so damn good-looking. Conform or be extinct.

Dude, we've done this to death. Steroids do not turn you into god, they just make building easier and faster. Stop being so jealous of dudes that work harder than yourself.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #98 on: December 25, 2011, 08:39:37 PM »
If humanity is going anywhere, it's into computers.

I agree with this. Within our lifetimes, we will begin to see humans be uploaded into computers for immortality reasons. We've already done it with mice!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading#Current_research
No chance. Computers will not be anywhere near brains because of the inherent problem of software ... viruses. A program that could access your subconscious would be frickin awesome for cyber criminals. You'd do anything they want. You'd have to be some muppet to use software written by anyone for your brain. Even Microsoft and Google would be fighting over the opportunities to download your hopes and advertise with product placement in your dreams. I don't see people having computers for brains. There is too much anti-trust. Instead you can just up your IQ 50pts with a short course of injections. Genetic modification will sneak up on us because research into eradicating diseases will drive it. Also would you want to be at the mercy of 14y/o script kiddies from 4chan meddling with your brain?  :o

Well, this is a particularly bad one. I'll use myself as evidence. I would much rather work for a nice body than alter my genetics and take the easy way out. You're assuming everyone wishes to be perfect, when it's really just you.

If humanity is going anywhere, it's into computers.
Being as most Hollywood hunks/male models/Sports stars use anabolic steroids to get a physique that is otherwise impossible, it is likely they will do that with genes instead. That way you don't even need to workout. Who would work for an ok body, when a perfect one is possible for no work? And then when all around have perfect bodies, who is going to be interested in a runt like you? Everyone else is 14 stone of ripped muscle. Its gonna be hard to get laid when everyone else is so damn good-looking. Conform or be extinct.

You missed the immortality part. Most people would do just about anything to be immortal.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #99 on: December 25, 2011, 08:43:53 PM »
A computer advanced enough to "house" a human mind would have the capability to adapt its software to fight threats, like an immune system in an organic body.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #100 on: December 25, 2011, 10:41:09 PM »
Ahhh adolescence.  Hormones raging are they big guy?  Don't worry, I'm sure your first pube will be here any day.  I just want you to remember one thing, I am better than you.  In every way measurable.  That is a fact.  Always have been, always will be.  There is nothing you could accomplish from this day forward that will up your status in this life.  I'm sorry.  Better luck next time.
You know it's funny WardoggKC130FE, that adolescence is from when my hair wasn't falling out. Why would I get mad at it being posted?

Also, you just show me the same thing that everyone does to me. Even when I first started people couldn't handle me being correct. You just try to attack me because you can't do anything else.

It's ok.
I am smarter than you.
I have more money than you.
I have more friends than you.
My family line makes your look like a line of homeless people.
You will never be as great as I am and will be.
You can't even touch me.

So just keep posting the adolescence. You still have shit on me.
hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #101 on: December 26, 2011, 03:22:56 AM »
Survival of the fittest doesn't mean you're stronger or better. All it means is that you're species gets better at surviving.

Let's say you're a tiny, weak mouse and your brother is a big, strong mouse. When the hawk comes down to grab one, he'll likely grab the bigger of you two. You then survive to pass on your genes of small and weak.

Eventually the hawks may choose a different species of mouse to eat as your species has become too small and weak.

As for the initial question:
The only valid response I can come up with is to assume that by evolution you mean ability to survive. And if that's the case then it may occur but only when we destroy our society and technology as well as our planet's climate changing to the point where it is inhospitable to us.
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.

I am a terrible person and I am a typical Blowhard Liberal for being wrong about Bom.

Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #102 on: December 26, 2011, 04:18:13 AM »
You're better than me in every way hey?

Yes.


Let's use this as another opportunity to educate you. This is a really good example of something you've already tried to use as an argument against evolution. When you say something childish like "I'm better than you in every way" what you really mean by "every way" is "every way that  matters to me". So it may well be true that in every way that matters to you, you are better than me. On the other hand, in every way that matters to me I am better than you. As you can see this is just like when you talk about one animal being better than another.

For the next part you're going to have to do something that we normal humans do called "imagination".

So let's take an animal like a whale or a fish. All that matters to them is being able to swim and survive in the ocean. As far as they're concerned, they are better than other animals. Now take a bird. All that matters to them is being able to fly. From their point of view anything that can't fly is a lesser animal.

Humans can do pretty well with their technology when it comes to the sea and the air. However our technology is an extended phenotype as a result of our relatively huge brains. From our point of view, all that matters is our huge brains and any animal that can't use language or technology is not as good as us. (Funnily enough, between humans, some who don't have much of a brain will concentrate on other things like physical strength on which to base their judgement of others. This is perfectly natural as this is what matters to them).

So you can see your problem of not being able to understand evolution is the same as your problem of not being able to understand the differences between humans. Things you're good at will be important to you and things you're not good at won't be. Perhaps this goes part way to explaining your homophobia (on top of the latent homosexuality). You don't like to think of a gay man (whose stereotype in your mind is of an effeminate wuss) being good at running, jumping, shooting guns and fighting. This is because I imagine these are the only things in life that matter to you and therefore you have always been able to garner comfort from the fact that you're better than gays because of this.

Back to evolution though. I hope you can see how these two things are linked. You think what matters to you is what makes you better. You think what matters to humans as a species makes them better than other species. Both these stances are what we grown-ups call "fallacious".  So yes it is fallacious of me to judge you on your brains alone.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #103 on: December 26, 2011, 05:00:59 AM »

Being as most Hollywood hunks/male models/Sports stars use anabolic steroids to get a physique that is otherwise impossible, it is likely they will do that with genes instead. That way you don't even need to workout. Who would work for an ok body, when a perfect one is possible for no work? And then when all around have perfect bodies, who is going to be interested in a runt like you? Everyone else is 14 stone of ripped muscle. Its gonna be hard to get laid when everyone else is so damn good-looking. Conform or be extinct.

Dude, we've done this to death. Steroids do not turn you into god, they just make building easier and faster. Stop being so jealous of dudes that work harder than yourself.
I think its awful that guys don't know what a man looks like these days. You need a reality check. Please stop just accepting that all the diets, exercise videos, adverts, films and sports sh*t you are fed. AAS is the answer to all that. Actually research it.
http://www.builtlean.com/2011/03/30/how-much-muscle-can-you-gain-naturally/
^ Mathematical proof that they use aas.

http://www.healthyplace.com/eating-disorders/main/us-men-have-more-distorted-body-image-than-asians/menu-id-58/
http://teenhealth.about.com/od/bodyimage/a/malebodyimage.htm

Quote from: http://www.jonathanrauch.com/jrauch_articles/men_and_muscles_the_adonis_complex/
Men therefore are "victims" of "what our society is doing to contemporary men’s views about their bodies." They are "indoctrinated" by exposure to more supermuscular images than any previous generation has ever encountered.

Actually educate yourself. You won't be 'jealous' of 'other guys that work harder'. You'll realise a lot of what you see is total shit and you will be happier in your own skin. I'm not jealous. The opposite. I'm happy with myself because I learnt a long time ago just how many people use AAS.

Watch "Bigger Stronger Faster" if you haven't before.
If you can't be bothered, just watch this part here.
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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #104 on: December 26, 2011, 05:03:25 AM »
I think I have a way to explain evolution to wardogg in a way he'll understand.

What is the best gun?
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #105 on: December 26, 2011, 06:48:31 AM »
This thread has become a clusterfuck.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #106 on: December 26, 2011, 07:21:47 AM »
This thread has become a clusterfuck.
Name a thread that hasn't.
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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #107 on: December 26, 2011, 07:36:02 AM »
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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #108 on: December 26, 2011, 08:23:01 AM »
How do you stop passing your kids the genetics you have?

If you plant a Granny Smith apple, it will not grow Granny Smith Appletree.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #109 on: December 26, 2011, 08:37:41 AM »
Main problem with this thread:

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone gives a fuck.


You're all trying to reason with a person so ignorant and intellectually lazy he can't even be bothered to read one single popular book on evolution (or Wikipedia for fuck's sake). This is evidenced by the question in the thread's title. Further evidence is found with every successive post from the thread-starter.

Ahhh adolescence.  Hormones raging are they big guy?  Don't worry, I'm sure your first pube will be here any day.  I just want you to remember one thing, I am better than you.  In every way measurable.  That is a fact.  Always have been, always will be.  There is nothing you could accomplish from this day forward that will up your status in this life.  I'm sorry.  Better luck next time.


Considering that natural selection in humans has now been thrown out the window, will animals, that are only getting stronger and more intelligent due to natural selection eventually out evolve us?


Who said natural selection makes things smarter/stronger? You're an idiot I swear.

Science did.  The weaker/dumb ones get picked off by their natural predators.  Allowing the smarter/stronger ones to pass on those genes to their offspring.


Doesn't that say something about humans?  Natural selection allowed us to out smart all of our natural predators.

No that is not what natural selection does. Natural selection can turn a fierce open ocean predator into the scum sucking sturgeon. It simply allows animals to live if they are well suited to their environment, being stronger or smarter can be beneficial but only to a point. Larger brains and muscles require more protein to develop and sustain. That's a costly trade off for a little bit of intelligence if its not helping you.


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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #110 on: December 26, 2011, 08:50:38 AM »
How do you stop passing your kids the genetics you have?

If you plant a Granny Smith apple, it will not grow Granny Smith Appletree.
If you throw a pigeon from a skyscraper, it will fly. Children aren't apples or pigeons.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #111 on: December 26, 2011, 09:20:53 AM »
I think I have a way to explain evolution to wardogg in a way he'll understand.

What is the best gun?

This is a good point.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #112 on: December 26, 2011, 10:11:45 AM »
Here's the thing:

Natural selection is ridiculously easy to understand. Like really easy.

So, we know that genetics are passed from parents to offspring, yes? And that is facilitated through sex. Now, if an animal is more likely to survive, it is in turn more likely to pass on its genes through the species, and not die before it has a chance to fuck. Cool? Cool. Now, animals can also have random mutations, where something that was not in the gene pool is added. So, through mutations, we get variety. Now, since the animals most apt to survive are also the most likely to pass on genes, over time, those genes that facilitate survival become dominant, and the species changes toward that which allows it to survive better.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #113 on: December 26, 2011, 10:20:21 AM »
Great. So following your rules ... why aren't all animals really lucky?

Surely the lucky ones would survive and pass on their genes? The unlucky ones would be hit by lightning or would be born with an extra leg or something. Over millions and millions of years, the animals left would be so fucking lucky, you would want to strain them through a sieve and bottle them.

If luck isn't a genetic quality, what makes you so sure speed or great eyesight are? All three qualities would be an advantage. Its possible hawks just see well, cheetahs are just fast and lottery winners are born lucky.

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #114 on: December 26, 2011, 10:24:36 AM »
In retrospect, are humans really all that smart?

Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #115 on: December 26, 2011, 12:31:13 PM »
In retrospect, are humans really all that smart?

We're just smart enough to be really fucking stupid!

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #116 on: December 26, 2011, 12:39:41 PM »
Main problem with this thread:

Quite frankly, I don't think anyone gives a fuck.


You're all trying to reason with a person so ignorant and intellectually lazy he can't even be bothered to read one single popular book on evolution (or Wikipedia for fuck's sake). This is evidenced by the question in the thread's title. Further evidence is found with every successive post from the thread-starter.

Ahhh adolescence.  Hormones raging are they big guy?  Don't worry, I'm sure your first pube will be here any day.  I just want you to remember one thing, I am better than you.  In every way measurable.  That is a fact.  Always have been, always will be.  There is nothing you could accomplish from this day forward that will up your status in this life.  I'm sorry.  Better luck next time.


Considering that natural selection in humans has now been thrown out the window, will animals, that are only getting stronger and more intelligent due to natural selection eventually out evolve us?


Who said natural selection makes things smarter/stronger? You're an idiot I swear.

Science did.  The weaker/dumb ones get picked off by their natural predators.  Allowing the smarter/stronger ones to pass on those genes to their offspring.


Doesn't that say something about humans?  Natural selection allowed us to out smart all of our natural predators.

You've really gotta stop posting when you're drunk...

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #117 on: December 26, 2011, 04:34:22 PM »
Great. So following your rules ... why aren't all animals really lucky?

Surely the lucky ones would survive and pass on their genes? The unlucky ones would be hit by lightning or would be born with an extra leg or something. Over millions and millions of years, the animals left would be so fucking lucky, you would want to strain them through a sieve and bottle them.

If luck isn't a genetic quality, what makes you so sure speed or great eyesight are? All three qualities would be an advantage. Its possible hawks just see well, cheetahs are just fast and lottery winners are born lucky.

See genetic drift

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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #118 on: December 31, 2011, 02:06:50 AM »
Considering that natural selection in humans has now been thrown out the window, will animals, that are only getting stronger and more intelligent due to natural selection eventually out evolve us?

At the point where they catch up to us they will likely fall into the same stagnation.


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Re: Will animals out evolve humans?
« Reply #119 on: January 03, 2012, 05:11:14 AM »
Let's use this as another opportunity to educate you. This is a really good example of something you've already tried to use as an argument against evolution. When you say something childish like "I'm better than you in every way" what you really mean by "every way" is "every way that  matters to me". So it may well be true that in every way that matters to you, you are better than me. On the other hand, in every way that matters to me I am better than you. As you can see this is just like when you talk about one animal being better than another.

For the next part you're going to have to do something that we normal humans do called "imagination".

So let's take an animal like a whale or a fish. All that matters to them is being able to swim and survive in the ocean. As far as they're concerned, they are better than other animals. Now take a bird. All that matters to them is being able to fly. From their point of view anything that can't fly is a lesser animal.

Humans can do pretty well with their technology when it comes to the sea and the air. However our technology is an extended phenotype as a result of our relatively huge brains. From our point of view, all that matters is our huge brains and any animal that can't use language or technology is not as good as us. (Funnily enough, between humans, some who don't have much of a brain will concentrate on other things like physical strength on which to base their judgement of others. This is perfectly natural as this is what matters to them).

So you can see your problem of not being able to understand evolution is the same as your problem of not being able to understand the differences between humans. Things you're good at will be important to you and things you're not good at won't be. Perhaps this goes part way to explaining your homophobia (on top of the latent homosexuality). You don't like to think of a gay man (whose stereotype in your mind is of an effeminate wuss) being good at running, jumping, shooting guns and fighting. This is because I imagine these are the only things in life that matter to you and therefore you have always been able to garner comfort from the fact that you're better than gays because of this.

Back to evolution though. I hope you can see how these two things are linked. You think what matters to you is what makes you better. You think what matters to humans as a species makes them better than other species. Both these stances are what we grown-ups call "fallacious".  So yes it is fallacious of me to judge you on your brains alone.

Feel better now honey?  Did you get it all out now? 

I think I have a way to explain evolution to wardogg in a way he'll understand.

What is the best gun?

Define "best".