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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #90 on: December 27, 2011, 09:32:32 PM »
>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.

There is a big difference between registry policy and what actually happens in practice.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #91 on: December 27, 2011, 11:06:29 PM »
I stand behind Daniel, and defend his presidency.

He was never active. He will never be active.

Look within if you want to see the reason TFES is failing

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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #92 on: December 28, 2011, 12:35:00 PM »
If Daniel abandons the site for months at a time again and is not contactable by his whois info then we can make a complaint and have the domain removed from his possession. Hopefully then it can be re-registered and put up as a proper society.

Below is an excerpt from ICANN's Registrar Accreditation Agreement--

    3.7.7.2 A Registered Name Holder's willful provision of inaccurate or unreliable information, its willful failure promptly to update information provided to Registrar, or its failure to respond for over fifteen calendar days to inquiries by Registrar concerning the accuracy of contact details associated with the Registered Name Holder's registration shall constitute a material breach of the Registered Name Holder-registrar contract and be a basis for cancellation of the Registered Name registration.

Complaints can be made here: http://wdprs.internic.net/

So are you going to actually do something for once instead of just bitching about someone else?
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #93 on: December 28, 2011, 01:02:11 PM »
>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.

There is a big difference between registry policy is what actually happens in practice.

Canceling domains with bogus whois info is what happens in practice.

What if I need to serve Daniel with a lawsuit and can't because of his fake whois info?

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So are you going to actually do something for once instead of just bitching about someone else?

I've made my complaint. I suggest others who wish to see change with this site do the same.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 01:07:34 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2011, 01:28:57 PM »
>claims to understand the internet [sic]
>using a web whois proxy
>implying it's not trivial to register a domain name with fake contact information

Registrars are required by ICANN to routinely remind customers to update their contact info. One can ultimately lose the domain if the whois info is bogus.

There is a big difference between registry policy is what actually happens in practice.

Canceling domains with bogus whois info is what happens in practice.

What if I need to serve Daniel with a lawsuit and can't because of his fake whois info?

Private investigators are quite good at tracking people down.

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So are you going to actually do something for once instead of just bitching about someone else?

I've made my complaint. I suggest others who wish to see change with this site do the same.

What do you believe that Daniel has done or not done that the ICANN should care about?
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2011, 03:08:16 PM »
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Private investigators are quite good at tracking people down.

Why should we need to hire a private investigator to track Daniel down? As per ICANN, Whois info is supposed to be reliable and accurate.

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What do you believe that Daniel has done or not done that the ICANN should care about?

Daniel abandons the site for months at a time. In previous threads we've tried the phone number without success.

Daniel's neglect and shenanigans have gone on long enough. He deserves to have the site forcefully removed from his possession.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 03:11:00 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #96 on: December 28, 2011, 03:58:45 PM »
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Private investigators are quite good at tracking people down.

Why should we need to hire a private investigator to track Daniel down? As per ICANN, Whois info is supposed to be reliable and accurate.

What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

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What do you believe that Daniel has done or not done that the ICANN should care about?

Daniel abandons the site for months at a time.

So, why should ICANN care about that?

In previous threads we've tried the phone number without success.

Who is "we"?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #97 on: December 28, 2011, 04:05:10 PM »
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What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

Because on numerous occasions people on this forum have tried to contact him without success.

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So, why should ICANN care about that?

ICANN says that the Whois should be accurate and the owner should be responsive within fifteen days. If the contact information is false, or if Daniel is not responsive within fifteen days, then his domain is canceled.

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Who is "we"?

The people on this forum.

ICANN and the Registrar will ultimately be the judge of whether or not Daniel is contactable through his whois info, and will proceed accordingly.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #98 on: December 28, 2011, 04:10:38 PM »
Are you threatening to contact ICANN to report Daniel?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: @Daniel
« Reply #99 on: December 28, 2011, 04:12:00 PM »
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What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

Because on numerous occasions people on this forum have tried to contact him without success.

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So, why should ICANN care about that?

ICANN says that the Whois should be accurate and the owner should be responsive within fifteen days. If the contact information is false, or if Daniel is not responsive within fifteen days, then his domain is canceled.

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Who is "we"?

The people on this forum.

ICANN and the Registrar will ultimately be the judge of whether or not Daniel is contactable through his whois info, and will proceed accordingly.
Tom, you're smoking your socks again.

1) You could get a even better name and run a better site without Daniel. But like Columbia University, you'll just complain rather than act.
2) If Daniel lost the domain, it's unlikely that you or any FEer will get control. The site has enough hits that the experts at grabbing domains will show up and defeat you.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #100 on: December 28, 2011, 04:12:20 PM »
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What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

Because on numerous occasions people on this forum have tried to contact him without success.

Do you have proof that people actually tried to contact him? Furthermore if you do, do you have prove in inability to contact him was due to unreliable and inaccurate information, and not just Daniel not replying? Daniel does not have to respond to people if he does not wish to.

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So, why should ICANN care about that?

ICANN says that the Whois should be accurate and owner should be responsive within fifteen days. If the contact information is false, or if Daniel is not responsive within fifteen days, then his domain is canceled.

Only if Daniel is unresponsive to the Registrar itself, not to random people on the internet.

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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #101 on: December 28, 2011, 04:12:35 PM »
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What makes you think that Daniel's contact information is not reliable and accurate?

Because on numerous occasions people on this forum have tried to contact him without success.

That's funny, I've managed to email him successfully.

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So, why should ICANN care about that?

ICANN says that the Whois should be accurate and the owner should be responsive within fifteen days. If the contact information is false, or if Daniel is not responsive within fifteen days, then his domain is canceled.

What makes you think that Daniel hasn't responded to ICANN within 15 days of being contacted?

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Who is "we"?

The people on this forum.

Which people on this forum?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #102 on: December 28, 2011, 04:21:47 PM »
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Do you have proof that people actually tried to contact him? Furthermore if you do, do you have prove in inability to contact him was due to unreliable and inaccurate information, and not just Daniel not replying? Daniel does not have to respond to people if he does not wish to.

It's out of my hands now. A complaint has been submitted. ICANN and the Registrar will be the judge of whether Daniel is contactable or not.

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Only if Daniel is unresponsive to the Registrar itself, not to random people on the internet

ICANN and the Registrar will be the judge of his responsiveness.

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That's funny, I've managed to email him successfully.

ICANN will be the judge of that.

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What makes you think that Daniel hasn't responded to ICANN within 15 days of being contacted?

I don't know whether Daniel will respond to ICANN or not. But if he has abandoned the site for several months at a time again then I suspect not. If his Whois information is false, or if he does not respond within 15 days, then he can kiss his website goodbye.

I'm doing the FES a favor. My actions should be praised, not villanized.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #103 on: December 28, 2011, 04:55:48 PM »
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That's funny, I've managed to email him successfully.

ICANN will be the judge of that.

How is ICANN supposed to judge whether or not  Daniel responded to me?  ???

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What makes you think that Daniel hasn't responded to ICANN within 15 days of being contacted?

I don't know whether Daniel will respond to ICANN or not. But if he has abandoned the site for several months at a time again then I suspect not. If his Whois information is false, or if he does not respond within 15 days, then he can kiss his website goodbye.

What makes you think that ICANN will take your complaint seriously?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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« Reply #104 on: December 28, 2011, 05:07:17 PM »
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How is ICANN supposed to judge whether or not  Daniel responded to me?  ???

ICANN will test Daniel's contactability for themselves, not rely on uncorroborated third hand testimony.

What makes you think that ICANN will take your complaint seriously?

It's a legal issue. They have to take all complaints regarding false whois information seriously.

There are laws in the United States which penalize crooks for providing false whois data and ICANN is obligated to ensure that precautions are put in place to combat false records. Website owners can't hide in anonymity from lawyers, law enforcement, or people wishing to file grievances.

http://www.circleid.com/posts/whois_privacy_vs_anonymity/

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First, why the public WHOIS database is important.

The information in (or associated with) the WHOIS database is important to law enforcement, intellectual property and other attorneys, who use this data to locate domain name owners for the purpose of enforcing laws or addressing grievances. In certain cases, however, the information in the WHOIS database is not accurate. This is where the problem caused by anonymity rears its ugly head.

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It is now illegal to provide false information when registering a domain name.

Last year, there was a brief attempt to make registrars responsible for the accuracy of the Whois database. Fortunately, that legislation failed. What did become law was a new, stiff penalty (7 years) for providing false WHOIS information.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #105 on: December 28, 2011, 05:22:38 PM »
What makes you think that ICANN will take your complaint seriously?

It's a legal issue. They have to take all complaints regarding false whois information seriously.

I wonder how ICANN feels about frivolous complaints.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #106 on: December 28, 2011, 05:28:09 PM »
I wonder how ICANN feels about frivolous complaints.

My complaint is not frivolous. Daniel is unreliable, neglectful, and unable to be contacted for months at a time.

He has 15 days before the axe drops.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #107 on: December 28, 2011, 06:20:14 PM »
Shit just got serious

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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #108 on: December 28, 2011, 06:20:51 PM »
Shit just got serious

Mmmm yeah, it's on now!
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« Reply #109 on: December 28, 2011, 06:41:36 PM »
So now the scenarios are that he either responds and the FES stays up like this, or he doesn't and the FES goes down?
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #110 on: December 28, 2011, 06:45:23 PM »
Tom Bishop stars in FES: Hostile Takeover

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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #111 on: December 28, 2011, 07:08:34 PM »
Sigh. Or Daniel will just answer when the contact him, come back, and perma-ban Tom. That sounds pretty nice actually!

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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #112 on: December 28, 2011, 07:14:00 PM »
Daniel for President!
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #113 on: December 28, 2011, 08:10:43 PM »
Sigh. Or Daniel will just answer when the contact him, come back, and perma-ban Tom. That sounds pretty nice actually!

Englsh for Vice President!
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #114 on: December 28, 2011, 10:44:34 PM »
Tom, you do realize that even if the domain name is removed from Daniel's possession all that means is that this forum goes offline for good. Anything you setup will be completely blank and devoid of posts, the wiki, etc...

I think that would kill all of FES.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #115 on: December 28, 2011, 11:47:28 PM »
Tom, you do realize that even if the domain name is removed from Daniel's possession all that means is that this forum goes offline for good. Anything you setup will be completely blank and devoid of posts, the wiki, etc...

I think that would kill all of FES.

The FES won't suffer. There is no FES. You cannot kill something which is dead.

There is no leader. There are no organized debates. There is no research. There is no concerted activity what-so-ever.

Any site or forum which rises from the ashes from the ICANN hammer will be leagues better than what we have now. I would trust almost anyone on the street to be a better Flat Earth Society president than what we have. A regular person off the street is reasonable, interested at least somewhat in the concept, and would likely listen to our needs and desires, and appoint people to do things they were unable or unwilling to do.

Any person off the street has basic management skills and can provide something rather than nothing at all, which is what we are presently getting.

14 days
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #116 on: December 28, 2011, 11:54:56 PM »
Tom, you do realize that even if the domain name is removed from Daniel's possession all that means is that this forum goes offline for good. Anything you setup will be completely blank and devoid of posts, the wiki, etc...

I think that would kill all of FES.

The FES won't suffer. There is no FES. You cannot kill something which is dead.

There is no leader. There are no organized debates. There is no research. There is no concerted activity what-so-ever.

Any site or forum which rises from the ashes from the ICANN hammer will be leagues better than what we have now. I would trust almost anyone on the street to be a better Flat Earth Society president than what we have. A person off the street would likely listen to our needs and desires, and appoint people to do things if they were unable or unwilling to do it.

Any person off the street has basic management skills and can provide something rather than nothing at all, which is what we are getting now.

14 days.
Tom, are you under the impression that ICANN will turn over ownership of the domain to you? If so, you're wrong. You'll have to start with a new domain name, which you could do right now.

Which reminds me to ask: when is Columbia University opening (or have you already opened it)?
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #117 on: December 28, 2011, 11:58:08 PM »
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Tom, are you under the impression that ICANN will turn over ownership of the domain to you? If so, you're wrong. You'll have to start with a new domain name, which you could do right now.

I don't care who picks up the domain name. Even if a spammer picks it up and puts up a page advertising tennis shoes, it would be a better Flat Earth Society.

At least then .org will be demoted in google and people would go to the .net site instead, where things might actually be managed and sane.
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Re: @Daniel
« Reply #118 on: December 29, 2011, 12:02:04 AM »
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Tom, are you under the impression that ICANN will turn over ownership of the domain to you? If so, you're wrong. You'll have to start with a new domain name, which you could do right now.

I don't care who picks up the domain name. Even if a spammer picked it up and put up a page advertising tennis shoes, it would be a better Flat Earth Society.

At least then people would go to the .net site instead, where things might actually be managed and sane.
So you're just trying to take the name from Daniel, and not really interested in improving the site. I guess that I expected better from you.

Again, did you give up of Columbia University?
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« Reply #119 on: December 29, 2011, 12:12:42 AM »
So you're just trying to take the name from Daniel, and not really interested in improving the site. I guess that I expected better from you.

A page of tennis shoe advertisements would be a great improvement. It would force people to go to the .net site, where the society can blossom with a leader who actually tries and cares.

As it is, all of the RE noobs are flooding into this website because it is #1 on Google. If the RE noobs flooded into the .net site FE'ers would be more interested in posting there.

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Again, did you give up of Columbia University?

Start a thread if you wish to speak to me about an off-topic subject.
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