CubeSat

  • 203 Replies
  • 28909 Views
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #120 on: December 11, 2011, 02:14:58 AM »
The Bad Astronomy guy apparently didn't watch the second video. There is evidence that the speed of the footage was changed to make it seem like the astronaut is moving through less resistance than he is. Watch through the whole video.

It says right there in the second paragraph of the Epoch Times article:

"The Epoch Times contacted Chinese expert Dr. Qu Zheng, who worked at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, to scientifically analyze the video discrepancies of the spacewalk broadcast."

There is evidence " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">here that Qu Zheng is really a JPL employee. Jarrah White contacts him for comment. His email address is zheng.qu@jpl.nasa.gov, which can be searched for on Google for additional reference of his existence.
Oh, this will be fun...

Please present your evidence the Dr. Pliat did not review the second video.
Please explain why his analysis that the first video was not faked is not sufficient to discredit your position that the entire mission was faked.
Please explain why you find Epoc Times credible in spite of its political agenda.
Please explain why you think the JPL's Zheng Qu is Epoc Time's Qu Zheng. (I did warn you about this!) If Epoc Times can't even get their resource's name correct, why would you believe anything they have to say?

Thanks for the fun!
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

*

Conker

  • 1557
  • Official FES jerk / kneebiter
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #121 on: December 11, 2011, 06:29:37 AM »
Conspyrailing thread, get back and explain Amateur Satellites, Near-Space Amateur Programs, Amateur Rockets, etc.
This is not a joke society.
Quote from: OpenedEyes
You shouldn't be allowed to talk on a free discussion forum.

*

zarg

  • 1181
  • Saudi Arabian inventor of Dr. Pepper
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #122 on: December 11, 2011, 09:39:18 AM »
Well, to be fair, the conspiracy babbling is at least somewhat relevant to the topic this time. Tom is saying that since the amateur satellites are launched by companies that also happen to have had NASA as a customer, that means NASA is faking the launch and the satellites never actually went to space. Even though the amateur satellite operators themselves can verify that they did go to space.

Tom is effectively expanding the Conspiracy to literally everyone who has ever been paid by NASA, thereby exponentially increasing the complexity and lowering the plausibility of it. Yet when defending the Conspiracy theory in other threads, he'll talk about how small he believes the Conspiracy to be to make it sound more plausible. He'll flip-flop the scope of the Conspiracy to be whatever it needs to be to fit his current argument.

There is a recent thread titled "Is my job fake" by someone who works directly in a government job, wherein Tom, along with every other FE'er, accepted that the poster himself (and by extension, everyone else with his job) was not a conspirator, but simply unaware of what is going on higher up. Yet here we have independent, non-government groups that are suddenly co-conspirators just because their services were bought by NASA.

Or is Tom saying that they, too, aren't aware of what they're doing? Even though they build their own rockets and have tested them independently, NASA's mere presence as a customer is somehow able to fool them into thinking they have built something that works but actually doesn't, that their entire product is a fraud even when sold to civilian customers and no one has realized it yet. Does everything NASA touches turn to stone? Please explain how this works, Tom.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 09:40:50 AM by zarg »
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory
[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

*

zarg

  • 1181
  • Saudi Arabian inventor of Dr. Pepper
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #123 on: December 11, 2011, 09:49:14 AM »
in fact one of the cornerstones of the current theory is that there is no Conspiracy, just misconceptions.  Please lurk moar.
I don't know what Roundy means by that.


Let it be known, on this day, that the esteemed Dr. Bishop, groundbreaking scientist and modern champion of the Flat Earth movement, needs to lurk moar.
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory
[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #124 on: December 11, 2011, 09:49:59 AM »
Tom, please can you provide the following evidence:

1. That LM is a US government department and not an autonomous commercial entity that markets goods and services to other gov and non-gov entities.
2. That ILS is a US government project and is controlled by the US government.

Lockheed Martin isn't a US government department, it is a public-private entity known as a Defense Contractor. It is not autonomous. Defense Contractors can't build government missiles in unsecured facilities, they can't hire people without security clearances, and they don't "sell" weapons or machines to the government, as it's never truly owned by them at any point.

Defense Contractors provide personnel to build weapons or machines in government research bases, under the government's terms and under government supervision. They are arms of the government who work on secret projects and who are beholden to government oversight.

Since Lockheed Martin is beholden to government oversight, and since it operates ILS, by extension ILS must be as well. According to its wiki the ILS is using classified rocket technologies (Atlas) to put payloads into space. Whether the ILS falls under government oversight is a big "duh."
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 09:54:12 AM by Tom Bishop »

Re: CubeSat
« Reply #125 on: December 11, 2011, 09:55:58 AM »
Tom, please can you provide the following evidence:

1. That LM is a US government department and not an autonomous commercial entity that markets goods and services to other gov and non-gov entities.
2. That ILS is a US government project and is controlled by the US government.

Lockheed Martin isn't a US government department, it is a public-private entity known as a Defense Contractor. It is not autonomous. Defense Contractors can't build government missiles in unsecured facilities, they can't hire people without security clearances, and they don't "sell" weapons or machines to the government, as it's never truly owned by them at any point.

Defense Contractors provide personnel to build weapons or machines in government research bases, under the government's terms and under government supervision. They are arms of the government who work on secret projects and who are beholden to government oversight.

Since Lockheed Martin is beholden to government oversight, by extension ILS must be as well. According to its wiki the ILS is using classified rocket technologies (Atlas Rocket) to put payloads into space. Whether the ILS falls under government oversight is a big "duh."
Uh... Nope.

LM's contracts, not its corporation, are beholding to those who award the contracts. You reason poorly that because some aspect of LM has oversight that all of LM must have oversight.

Now just who are these overseers who manage to fool these hard-working, honest employees and contractors at LM? Evidence, Tom, do you have any?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

*

zarg

  • 1181
  • Saudi Arabian inventor of Dr. Pepper
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #126 on: December 11, 2011, 10:13:46 AM »
Defense Contractors provide personnel to build weapons or machines in government research bases, under the government's terms and under government supervision. They are arms of the government who work on secret projects and who are beholden to government oversight.

If I am in charge of a top secret facility, and I buy duct-tape to fix a pipe in said top secret facility, that duct-tape is used under top-secret terms and under top-secret supervision. That says nothing of the people who produced and sold the tape.

None of these customers are the government / NASA:

http://www.ilslaunch.com/mission-control/proton-launch-archives


Quote
According to its wiki the ILS is using classified rocket technologies (Atlas Rocket) to put payloads into space.

If it indeed is classified then yes it would naturally have government oversight but only when they work with Atlas. Their primary product is the Proton rocket (which is not a classified technology), not Atlas. Please explain the existence of the extensive list of Proton customers above.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 10:15:24 AM by zarg »
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory
[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #127 on: December 11, 2011, 10:15:23 AM »
Uh... Nope.

LM's contracts, not its corporation, are beholding to those who award the contracts. You reason poorly that because some aspect of LM has oversight that all of LM must have oversight.

Now just who are these overseers who manage to fool these hard-working, honest employees and contractors at LM? Evidence, Tom, do you have any?

So you think that the Lockheed Martin can handle classified technologies without government oversight?

Because anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that they can't.

Quote from: zarg
Or is Tom saying that they, too, aren't aware of what they're doing? Even though they build their own rockets and have tested them independently, NASA's mere presence as a customer is somehow able to fool them into thinking they have built something that works but actually doesn't, that their entire product is a fraud even when sold to civilian customers and no one has realized it yet. Does everything NASA touches turn to stone? Please explain how this works, Tom.

Well, Government Contractors can't build and test their own space rockets independently, I'm not sure where you got that from. All contract work is done on secured government research bases under instruction of government managers.

NASA's role isn't a "mere customer" to Lockheed Martin. It's the client Lockheed Martin is temping its employees out to. Lockheed Martin, like all government contractors, is a temp agency.

A Lockheed Martin headhunter finds your resume on Monster, calls you up, puts you through an interview and vetting process with a government manager, acquiring any secret clearances if necessary, and if they like you, you're hired and sent to work on a secured government base. Every two weeks the government pays Lockheed, Lockheed cuts out a slice of your check (often a big slice) for themselves, and sends the rest to you. That's how they work.

For the most part when working for a government contractor you're a government employee. Your direction and instructions comes from government managers. Lockheed Martin is the government's version of Manpower Staffing.

The government does it this way to reduce liability. If a government contractor comes to work drunk and  ends up hurting a bunch of people with the military weapons he's working on the government can just say "oh, that's a Northroop Grumman employee, sue them," despite that the contractor's only interaction with Northrop Grumman is a paycheck.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 11:15:55 AM by Tom Bishop »

*

zarg

  • 1181
  • Saudi Arabian inventor of Dr. Pepper
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #128 on: December 11, 2011, 10:16:51 AM »
So you think that the Lockheed Martin can handle classified technologies without government oversight?

Quote
If it indeed is classified then yes it would naturally have government oversight but only when they work with Atlas. Their primary product is the Proton rocket (which is not a classified technology), not Atlas. Please explain the existence of the extensive list of Proton customers above.


All contract work is done on secured government research bases under instruction of government managers.

Correction: All government contract work.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 10:20:43 AM by zarg »
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory
[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #129 on: December 11, 2011, 10:21:53 AM »
So you think that the Lockheed Martin can handle classified technologies without government oversight?

Quote
If it indeed is classified then yes it would naturally have government oversight but only when they work with Atlas. Their primary product is the Proton rocket (which is not a classified technology), not Atlas. Please explain the existence of the extensive list of Proton customers above.


All contract work is done on secured government research bases under instruction of government managers.

Correction: All government contract work.

So you're saying that Proton isn't classified technology?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_(rocket)

"Proton initially started life as a 'super ICBM.' It was designed to throw a 100-megaton (or larger) nuclear warhead over a distance of 13,000 km"

Hmm, sounds pretty classified to me.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 10:24:31 AM by Tom Bishop »

*

zarg

  • 1181
  • Saudi Arabian inventor of Dr. Pepper
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #130 on: December 11, 2011, 10:24:09 AM »
So you're saying that Proton isn't classified technology?

Yes.


Quote
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_(rocket)

"Proton initially started life as a 'super ICBM.' It was designed to throw a 100-megaton (or larger) nuclear warhead over a distance of 13,000 km"

Hmm, sounds pretty classified to me.

WTF? Do you know what classified means?
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory
[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

*

Rushy

  • 8971
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #131 on: December 11, 2011, 10:24:30 AM »
Quote
It was hugely oversized for an ICBM, and was never deployed in such a capacity.

Maybe you should read the next sentence.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #132 on: December 11, 2011, 10:26:32 AM »
Quote
It was hugely oversized for an ICBM, and was never deployed in such a capacity.

Maybe you should read the next sentence.

Anything which claims to get into orbit is going to be classified. The US or Russian government isn't going to let other countries have access to ICBM-like technologies.

*

zarg

  • 1181
  • Saudi Arabian inventor of Dr. Pepper
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #133 on: December 11, 2011, 10:27:46 AM »
Quote
http://www.ilslaunch.com/mission-control/proton-launch-archives
Quote
Please explain the existence of the extensive list of Proton customers above.
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory
[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

*

zarg

  • 1181
  • Saudi Arabian inventor of Dr. Pepper
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #134 on: December 11, 2011, 10:29:43 AM »
Quote
It was hugely oversized for an ICBM, and was never deployed in such a capacity.

Maybe you should read the next sentence.

Anything which claims to get into orbit is going to be classified. The US or Russian government isn't going to let other countries have access to ICBM-like technologies.

What a masterpiece of circular reasoning. "It must be fake because it's classified. Not classifying it would expose its fakeness, so it must be classified. And therefore fake."
Quote from: Cat Earth Theory
[Lord Wilmore's writings] are written the way a high schooler thinks an educated person should sound like.  The pathetic pseudo-academic writing can't hide the lack of any real substance.

Re: CubeSat
« Reply #135 on: December 11, 2011, 10:33:20 AM »
Quote
It was hugely oversized for an ICBM, and was never deployed in such a capacity.

Maybe you should read the next sentence.

Anything which claims to get into orbit is going to be classified. The US or Russian government isn't going to let other countries have access to ICBM-like technologies.

What a masterpiece of circular reasoning. "It must be fake because it's classified. Not classifying it would expose its fakeness, so it must be classified. And therefore fake."
And it's also demonstratively false. At least six other countries already have ICBMs. Reference: http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Eight_Nations_Now_Building_ICBM_Nuclear_Missiles_999.html
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #136 on: December 11, 2011, 10:36:10 AM »
Quote
http://www.ilslaunch.com/mission-control/proton-launch-archives
Quote
Please explain the existence of the extensive list of Proton customers above.

Deployed via stratellite, as we've discussed.

What a masterpiece of circular reasoning. "It must be fake because it's classified. Not classifying it would expose its fakeness, so it must be classified. And therefore fake."

It's not circular reasoning. Even if the rocket technology to reach orbit did exist, do you really think the US or Russian government is going to let that stuff be out in the open, publicly available to any foreign country or 3rd world dictator? Absolutely not.

And it's also demonstratively false. At least six other countries already have ICBMs. Reference: http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Eight_Nations_Now_Building_ICBM_Nuclear_Missiles_999.html

Actually it just says "Eight Nations Now Building ICBM Nuclear Missiles." North Korea claims to be building ICBMs. Everyone doubts their claims.

North Korea claims to be able to hit any of the US mainland, while the US calls it a lie. We're assured by our government that North Korea is too inept to build a proper ICBM weapon.
 
There are 196 countries on earth. There are a lot of people to keep the technology from, hence why advanced rocket technology is classified and classified verily so.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 01:07:13 PM by Tom Bishop »

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 41938
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #137 on: December 11, 2011, 10:47:40 AM »
It's not circular reasoning. Even if the rocket technology to reach orbit did exist, do you really think the US or Russian government is going to let that stuff be out in the open, publicly available to any foreign country or 3rd world dictator? Absolutely not.

Tom, there is a significant difference between knowing how to build something and having the resources to build it.  The technology required to build ICBMs and nuclear warheads has been widely available for many years.  However, few have the resources to actually build ICBMs or nuclear warheads.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #138 on: December 11, 2011, 10:54:06 AM »
It's not circular reasoning. Even if the rocket technology to reach orbit did exist, do you really think the US or Russian government is going to let that stuff be out in the open, publicly available to any foreign country or 3rd world dictator? Absolutely not.

Tom, there is a significant difference between knowing how to build something and having the resources to build it.  The technology required to build ICBMs and nuclear warheads has been widely available for many years.  However, few have the resources to actually build ICBMs or nuclear warheads.

The knowledge necessary to build an ICBM is not publicly available. Only the very basic principles of how they work is available. The public only has access to model rockets and fireworks. You'll never find schematics for the Saturn V or the Atlas. You'll never find instructions for building an ICBM. You can't just go out and buy an Atlas rocket from Lockheed Martin.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 11:13:09 AM by Tom Bishop »

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 41938
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #139 on: December 11, 2011, 11:16:59 AM »
It's not circular reasoning. Even if the rocket technology to reach orbit did exist, do you really think the US or Russian government is going to let that stuff be out in the open, publicly available to any foreign country or 3rd world dictator? Absolutely not.

Tom, there is a significant difference between knowing how to build something and having the resources to build it.  The technology required to build ICBMs and nuclear warheads has been widely available for many years.  However, few have the resources to actually build ICBMs or nuclear warheads.

No, the knowledge necessary to build an ICBM is not publicly available. Only the very basic principles of how they work is available. The public only has access to model rockets and fireworks. You'll never find schematics for the Saturn V or the Atlas. You'll never find instructions for building an ICBM. You can't just go out and buy an Atlas rocket from Lockheed Martin.

How do you think that the people who design and build rockets for the government and its contractors learned how to design and build rockets?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #140 on: December 11, 2011, 11:20:39 AM »
How do you think that the people who design and build rockets for the government and its contractors learned how to design and build rockets?

Please review your history.

At the end of WWII the Allies stole their rocketry knowledge from Nazi Germany and kidnapped (coerced) Nazi scientists to build rockets for them. Recall that in NASA's early life a Nazi war criminal was the director of NASA.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 11:28:48 AM by Tom Bishop »

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 41938
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #141 on: December 11, 2011, 11:25:20 AM »
How do you think that the people who design and build rockets for the government and its contractors learned how to design and build rockets?

At the end of WWII the Allies stole their rocketry knowledge from Nazi Germany and kidnapped (coerced) Nazi scientists to build rockets for them. Please recall that in its early life a Nazi was the director of NASA.

What about all of the new rocket scientists since then?  Are you saying that colleges and universities do not train new batches of rocket scientists on a regular basis?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #142 on: December 11, 2011, 11:38:54 AM »
What about all of the new rocket scientists since then?  Are you saying that colleges and universities do not train new batches of rocket scientists on a regular basis?

Colleges and universities do train students in rocket science disciplines. Those students go on to work for government contractors building cruise missiles, air-to-air missiles, anti-air missiles, anti-ship missiles, anti-missile missiles, shoulder fired missiles, etc. There's a whole world of rockets and missiles out there.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 01:10:01 PM by Tom Bishop »

*

Rushy

  • 8971
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #143 on: December 11, 2011, 12:04:22 PM »
What about all of the new rocket scientists since then?  Are you saying that colleges and universities do not train new batches of rocket scientists on a regular basis?

Colleges and universities do train rocket scientists. Those scientists go on to work for government contractors building cruise missiles, air-to-air missiles, anti-air missiles, anti-ship missiles, anti-missile missiles, shoulder fired missiles, etc. There's a whole world of rockets and missiles out there.

None of them work on space launch vehicles though, those are all janitors hired by NASA to pretend to be aerospace engineers. Right?

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #144 on: December 11, 2011, 12:10:01 PM »
None of them work on space launch vehicles though, those are all janitors hired by NASA to pretend to be aerospace engineers. Right?

There are aerospace engineers at NASA. NASA just isn't instructing them to build rockets that can go into space. NASA's rockets go up into the air until they disappear from sight, much like Hitler's V2 Vengeance Weapon, which they stole after WWII. Someone has to build those.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2011, 01:11:03 PM by Tom Bishop »

*

Rushy

  • 8971
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #145 on: December 11, 2011, 12:14:34 PM »
None of them work on space launch vehicles though, those are all janitors hired by NASA to pretend to be aerospace engineers. Right?

There are aerospace engineers at NASA. NASA just isn't instructing them to build rockets that can go into space. NASA's rockets go up into the air until they disappear from sight, much like Hitler's V2 Vengeance Weapon, which they stole. Someone has to build those.

Are you really saying that all NASA launches were V2's?

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #146 on: December 11, 2011, 12:21:12 PM »
Are you really saying that all NASA launches were V2's?

All of NASA's early rocket engines are based on the Nazi V2 design. They have since claimed to have made improvements which allow them to achieve orbit or reach escape velocity, but this is doubtful.

NASA was basing their entire space program off of Hitler's V2. The Saturn V's engine is directly based off of the V2 engine, for example. It is truly appalling how anyone can praise Apollo knowing that the Apollo project was based off of Nazi technologies, was directed by a Nazi war criminal, and was staffed by Nazi scientists.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 10:48:55 PM by Tom Bishop »

*

Rushy

  • 8971
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #147 on: December 11, 2011, 12:35:31 PM »
Are you really saying that all NASA launches were V2's?

All of NASA's early rocket engines are based on the Nazi V2 design. They have since claimed to have made improvements which allow them to achieve orbit or reach escape velocity, but this is false.

NASA was basing their space program off of Hitler's V2. The Saturn V's engine is directly based off of the V2 engine, for example. It is truly appalling how anyone can praise Apollo knowing that the Apollo project was based off of Nazi technologies, was directed by a Nazi war criminal and was staffed by Nazi scientists.

Do you have references for any of this?

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 17767
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #148 on: December 11, 2011, 12:44:27 PM »
Are you really saying that all NASA launches were V2's?

All of NASA's early rocket engines are based on the Nazi V2 design. They have since claimed to have made improvements which allow them to achieve orbit or reach escape velocity, but this is false.

NASA was basing their space program off of Hitler's V2. The Saturn V's engine is directly based off of the V2 engine, for example. It is truly appalling how anyone can praise Apollo knowing that the Apollo project was based off of Nazi technologies, was directed by a Nazi war criminal and was staffed by Nazi scientists.

Do you have references for any of this?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3186616594425246748

Start at 23:35. It goes over a history of the Nazi's rocket program, the Nazi scientist's involvement with NASA, and how the Saturn V is based on the V2.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2011, 12:49:46 PM by Tom Bishop »

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • The Elder Ones
  • 41938
Re: CubeSat
« Reply #149 on: December 11, 2011, 12:53:10 PM »
Are you really saying that all NASA launches were V2's?

All of NASA's early rocket engines are based on the Nazi V2 design. They have since claimed to have made improvements which allow them to achieve orbit or reach escape velocity, but this is doubtful.

NASA was basing their space program off of Hitler's V2. The Saturn V's engine is directly based off of the V2 engine, for example. It is truly appalling how anyone can praise Apollo knowing that the Apollo project was based off of Nazi technologies, was directed by a Nazi war criminal and was staffed by Nazi scientists.

*sigh*  Which of the Saturn V's engines were based on the V2's LOX/ethanol-water engine?  Was it the LOX/kerosene fueled F-1 engine or the LOX/LH2 fueled J-2 engine?  Perhaps you're thinking about the Redstone rocket that was directly based off the V2 because none of the other manned space vehicles ever used LOX/ethanol-water based rocket engines.

BTW, von Braun freely admitted that he stole all of his secrets from Robert Goddard (the American inventor of the liquid rocket engine).

Also, what war crime(s) was von Braun ever convicted of?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.