From your viewpoint, are people like Stephen Hawking in on the conspiracy?

Do the US marines learn how Roman soldiers used catapults, or do they not have comprehensive training? Take your strawmen elsewhere.

Celestial navigation was taught to military pilots by the US Air Force and Navy until 1997.  It's hardly ancient history.

Quote from: Thork on August 25, 2011, 01:41:12 PM

Do the US marines learn how Roman soldiers used catapults, or do they not have comprehensive training? Take your strawmen elsewhere.

Celestial navigation was taught to military pilots by the US Air Force and Navy until 1997.  It's hardly ancient history.

If you are going to quote me, please then respond to the quote. I asked if US soldiers where trained how to use Roman catapults?

I did not do my training before 1997. I was only 19 in 1997. Why are you criticising the fact that I have not been trained in celestial navigation, when even the US military gave up on it 14 years ago?

Quote from: markjo on August 25, 2011, 02:20:01 PM

Quote from: Thork on August 25, 2011, 01:41:12 PM

Do the US marines learn how Roman soldiers used catapults, or do they not have comprehensive training? Take your strawmen elsewhere.

Celestial navigation was taught to military pilots by the US Air Force and Navy until 1997.  It's hardly ancient history.

If you are going to quote me, please then respond to the quote. I asked if US soldiers where trained how to use Roman catapults?

I did not do my training before 1997. I was only 19 in 1997. Why are you criticising the fact that I have not been trained in celestial navigation, when even the US military gave up on it 14 years ago?

I am not criticizing you for not being trained in celestial navigation.  I am criticizing you for not being familiar with the fact that celestial navigation has been used in aircraft.

And I know what celestial navigation is. Could a US marine explain how catapults are tuned musically by Romans for symmetrical power? Is that part of the training?
 

Tuned aurally I think you mean, or did they actually play a salute to the emperor in c major?

interesting factoid btw, thanks for that.

I am aware that celestial navigation has been used in aircraft.

Quote from: Thork on August 25, 2011, 02:16:34 PM

And I know what celestial navigation is. Could a US marine explain how catapults are tuned musically by Romans for symmetrical power? Is that part of the training?
 

Tuned aurally I think you mean, or did they actually play a salute to the emperor in c major?

interesting factoid btw, thanks for that.

Tuned as in musically to get a note and thereby, ensuring the tension to be correct.

I am aware that celestial navigation has been used in aircraft.

Quote from: pitdroidtech on August 25, 2011, 04:22:02 PM

Quote from: Thork on August 25, 2011, 02:16:34 PM

And I know what celestial navigation is. Could a US marine explain how catapults are tuned musically by Romans for symmetrical power? Is that part of the training?
 

Tuned aurally I think you mean, or did they actually play a salute to the emperor in c major?

interesting factoid btw, thanks for that.

Tuned as in musically to get a note and thereby, ensuring the tension to be correct.

yes I get that, but a note is a note, music is a string of notes.  I was just wondering what tune they played?  Perhaps it was "when the saints go marching in".  Are we talking pre or post Chistian emperors? 

Actually it's true, if the catapault has multiple points of tension (apart from the two left and right which obviously have to be the same note), they could have used them to sing the soldiers to sleep at night, like giant harps...

I am having a hard time in following you guys, has the thread derailed?

I am having a hard time in following you guys, has the thread derailed?

Thork is here.

And I know what celestial navigation is. Could a US marine explain how catapults are tuned musically by Romans for symmetrical power? Is that part of the training?

The point was why should you know that celestial navigation existed for aircraft flights.  You had no clue.  Then instead of researching it in that thread you made up some willy-nilly story that celestial navigation was never used on aircraft.  I have no problems with you not being trained on it - as I realize that U.S. Marines rarely use catapults.  I stated that Marines knew of their existence - which you did not and pulled a Tom Bishop.

Are you suggesting that before 1979 all flights took place at night? And that beacons did not exist?

You are the one stating that the FMS leads pilots wily-nilly through the skies without their knowledge of where they are so they will never truly now the shape of the Earth.  So before FMS what conspiracy tool made up these random flight paths to hide the true shape of the Earth?
And why do you think celestial navigation is only done at night?

Quote from: berny_74 on August 25, 2011, 02:08:27 PM

And how about when the FMS loses its functionality?

I told you before not to joke about that.

Well an answer would be nice.

Quote from: berny_74 on August 25, 2011, 02:08:27 PM

Berny
Yes they even had automated periscope sextants for aircraft

What an expert. I don't know why they bother training us when people like Berny know it all already.

Actually I didn't know how automated they were until I looked more into it during the thread when you argued celsestial navigation was only used to find the north star.

I am having a hard time in following you guys, has the thread derailed?

What was the original topic anyhow?

Berny

Wow.
Marines using a catapult.

Quote from: Thork on June 27, 2386, 12:45:42 PM

And I know what celestial navigation is. Could a US marine explain how catapults are tuned musically by Romans for symmetrical power? Is that part of the training?

The point was why should you know that celestial navigation existed for aircraft flights.  You had no clue.  Then instead of researching it in that thread you made up some willy-nilly story that celestial navigation was never used on aircraft.  I have no problems with you not being trained on it - as I realize that U.S. Marines rarely use catapults.  I stated that Marines knew of their existence - which you did not and pulled a Tom Bishop.

I had every clue.

Quote from: Thork on August 25, 2011, 01:24:02 AM

Quote from: berny_74 on August 25, 2011, 02:08:27 PM

And how about when the FMS loses its functionality?

I told you before not to joke about that.

Well an answer would be nice.

Holding back the tears, one announces on the radio "Mayday, Mayday Mayday! Speedbird one fife two is a 737 from Heathrow to Geneva. Currently fifty miles south of Paris, flight level tree fife zero. FMS is defective, request vectors to nearest diversion."
To which one would expect
"God alive man, we are going to get you down! Hang in there! Turn left heading zero niner fife and descend flight level two hundred. We will clear all traffic and give you a straight in approach for Lyon Airport."
To which one should gratefully reply
"Thank you so much. We are all counting on you up here. "
The first officer is then expected to allow the Captain to use the toilet first.

Quote from: Thork on June 27, 2386, 12:45:42 PM

Quote from: berny_74 on August 25, 2011, 02:08:27 PM

Berny
Yes they even had automated periscope sextants for aircraft

What an expert. I don't know why they bother training us when people like Berny know it all already.

Actually I didn't know how automated they were until I looked more into it during the thread when you argued celsestial navigation was only used to find the north star.

That is probably the last time I follow Tom Bishop into a thread that he subsequently may abandon.

Quote from: Agnostic on August 25, 2011, 04:43:26 PM

I am having a hard time in following you guys, has the thread derailed?

What was the original topic anyhow?

Stephen Hawking; puppet for the conspiracy.

Berny

Wow.
Marines using a catapult.

Its probably exactly what they do on team building exercises, but I am speculating.

Quote from: Thork on August 25, 2011, 01:41:12 PM

Do the US marines learn how Roman soldiers used catapults, or do they not have comprehensive training? Take your strawmen elsewhere.

Celestial navigation was taught to military pilots by the US Air Force and Navy until 1997.  It's hardly ancient history.

In fact, I believe the Andrew still train Watch officers in the use of sextants.

Sextant use on an aircraft being somewhat tricky, a bubble sextant would be easier and more usual.  I guess its use would require a little specialized training.

Quote from: Thork on August 25, 2011, 04:23:10 PM

I am aware that celestial navigation has been used in aircraft.

Quote from: pitdroidtech on August 25, 2011, 04:22:02 PM

Quote from: Thork on August 25, 2011, 02:16:34 PM

And I know what celestial navigation is. Could a US marine explain how catapults are tuned musically by Romans for symmetrical power? Is that part of the training?
 

Tuned aurally I think you mean, or did they actually play a salute to the emperor in c major?

interesting factoid btw, thanks for that.

Tuned as in musically to get a note and thereby, ensuring the tension to be correct.

yes I get that, but a note is a note, music is a string of notes.  I was just wondering what tune they played?  Perhaps it was "when the saints go marching in".  Are we talking pre or post Chistian emperors? 

Music is not necessarily a string of notes.   The absence of art makes art.