200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2011, 12:35:11 PM »
And can you please stop posting RE maps?
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2011, 08:26:24 PM »
There is no travel by plane between Australia and South Africa!?

There is. It doesn't pass through the South Pole, though.

Example:


Can you please post a photo that hasn't been photoshopped by a flat earther? Thanks.

It hasn't been. That was taken directly from an airline's website. For more information, use the picture's URL.

And can you please stop posting RE maps?

Why? The point is that they don't travel over Antarctica.

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2011, 10:06:43 PM »
How do I know that airline isn't a part of the FET conspiracy?
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2011, 10:40:55 PM »
Okay, so it turns out, there aren't many flights over Antarctica, but there are sightseeing trips.

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2011, 12:04:27 AM »
What on earth would a flight over the rim country prove? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it would be stunningly beautiful, and it'd make a fun ice-breaker at parties to mention that you were among the first to see the light of the new year 2010, but what would it prove about the shape of the earth for heaven's sake?
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2011, 12:07:40 AM »
What on earth would a flight over the rim country prove? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it would be stunningly beautiful, and it'd make a fun ice-breaker at parties to mention that you were among the first to see the light of the new year 2010, but what would it prove about the shape of the earth for heaven's sake?

Crossing Antarctica would imply that it is a continent and not "rim country."
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2011, 12:09:34 AM »
The flight listed did no such thing. Did you read the article?

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The chartered A380 will fly figure-eight patterns above the polar terrain for up to four hours before heading back to Melbourne and Sydney.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/qantas-a380-to-offer-antarctica-flight/story-e6frfq80-1225771920586#ixzz1fYFMn8bx
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2011, 12:35:39 AM »
hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2011, 02:42:07 AM »
The flight listed did no such thing. Did you read the article?

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The chartered A380 will fly figure-eight patterns above the polar terrain for up to four hours before heading back to Melbourne and Sydney.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/qantas-a380-to-offer-antarctica-flight/story-e6frfq80-1225771920586#ixzz1fYFMn8bx

Any one could board the plane with simple measurement instruments and verify the course of the plane and draw the conclusions.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2011, 06:09:10 PM »
The flight listed did no such thing. Did you read the article?

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The chartered A380 will fly figure-eight patterns above the polar terrain for up to four hours before heading back to Melbourne and Sydney.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/qantas-a380-to-offer-antarctica-flight/story-e6frfq80-1225771920586#ixzz1fYFMn8bx

Any one could board the plane with simple measurement instruments and verify the course of the plane and draw the conclusions.

We don't contend that its impossible for the plane to fly in figure eight patterns for four hours over the ice and then head back home.

Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2011, 01:54:12 AM »
That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2011, 06:13:05 AM »
That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.

Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2011, 08:09:25 AM »
How circumnavigation works in FET was discussed 150 years ago, on day one of this society.

Thanks for discussing it 150 years ago. Now go do it.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2011, 08:11:50 AM »
That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.

Why would you assume this?

Please, be zetetic: observe, then draw conclusions.

And note that on a RE, it is a very different point of vue, since RE'ers know that the Earth is round and that Antarctica is a continent.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2011, 08:37:08 AM »
That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.

Well, you could try measuring degrees of longitude as the plane nears the pole and see if that agrees with what FET predicts for extreme southern latitudes.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #45 on: December 05, 2011, 10:39:08 AM »
That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.

Well, you could try measuring degrees of longitude as the plane nears the pole and see if that agrees with what FET predicts for extreme southern latitudes.

Come on. They can't even come up with moon shrimp seadino evidence. How will they buy a plane ticket.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2011, 01:51:35 PM »
That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.
Well, you would probably notice if you were going around the entire edge of the world.  This is significantly bigger than RE predicts Antarctica will be.  If this were so, circles around Antarctica would either take quite a bit longer, or they'd go much faster and the g-force would be noticeable, if not fatal, especially since the conditions are not that great to begin with.  Plus, you'd notice that mountains aren't zipping past you at supersonic speeds.  Not to mention, at that altitude, wouldn't they notice an ice wall, if there were one?

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2011, 06:54:35 PM »
That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.

Why would you assume this?

Because that's what they say the plane is going to do.

That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.
Well, you would probably notice if you were going around the entire edge of the world.  This is significantly bigger than RE predicts Antarctica will be.  If this were so, circles around Antarctica would either take quite a bit longer, or they'd go much faster and the g-force would be noticeable, if not fatal, especially since the conditions are not that great to begin with.  Plus, you'd notice that mountains aren't zipping past you at supersonic speeds.  Not to mention, at that altitude, wouldn't they notice an ice wall, if there were one?

They're not making 'circles around Antarctica', they're flying a distance onto the coast and then making figure eights in the sky to wait for the sun to come up.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2011, 09:55:57 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2011, 07:30:03 PM »
That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.

Why would you assume this?

Because that's what they say the plane is going to do.

That's why I mentioned "measurement instruments".

Are you so blinded by a conspiracy that you don't even read posts?

The plane is visiting the coast of Antarctica, making some figure eights for a while, and then heading back home. There is nothing it would see in FET that it wouldn't see in RET.
Well, you would probably notice if you were going around the entire edge of the world.  This is significantly bigger than RE predicts Antarctica will be.  If this were so, circles around Antarctica would either take quite a bit longer, or they'd go much faster and the g-force would be noticeable, if not fatal, especially since the conditions are not that great to begin with.  Plus, you'd notice that mountains aren't zipping past you at supersonic speeds.  Not to mention, at that altitude, wouldn't they notice an ice wall, if there were one?

They're not making 'circles around Antarctica', they're flying a distance onto the coast and then making figure eights int he sky to wait for the sun to come up.

Come up from where Tom? And shouldn't the sun always be visible from the plane?     

Tom the issue is that you should be able to see the sun from anywhere on earth as it is always larger 1 arch minute, and in a plane there is no thick atmosphere to disturb the light, so you should always be able to see the sun.

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2011, 09:08:37 PM »


thats how the atmosphere breaks up the sunlight if you subscribe to fet. its not hard to imagine

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2011, 09:58:45 PM »
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Come up from where Tom? And shouldn't the sun always be visible from the plane?

The sun appears with its area of light passes over.

No, the sun would not always be visible from the plane.

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Tom the issue is that you should be able to see the sun from anywhere on earth as it is always larger 1 arch minute, and in a plane there is no thick atmosphere to disturb the light, so you should always be able to see the sun.

The sun doesn't disappear to perspective like the sinking ship. Please consult Earth Not a Globe on the matter.

Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2011, 10:00:59 PM »
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Come up from where Tom? And shouldn't the sun always be visible from the plane?

The sun appears with its area of light passes over.

No, the sun would not always be visible from the plane.

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Tom the issue is that you should be able to see the sun from anywhere on earth as it is always larger 1 arch minute, and in a plane there is no thick atmosphere to disturb the light, so you should always be able to see the sun.

The sun doesn't disappear to perspective like the sinking ship. Please consult Earth Not a Globe on the matter.

Your reasoning is flawed. In an airplane, the densest part of the atmosphere is below it. According to you the sun should be plainly visible at all times to aircraft.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2011, 08:37:42 AM »


The sun doesn't disappear to perspective like the sinking ship. Please consult Earth Not a Globe on the matter.

ive devised an experiment to prve this wrong. i just need to waste some time doing it if i can be bothered

Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2011, 09:33:36 AM »


The sun doesn't disappear to perspective like the sinking ship. Please consult Earth Not a Globe on the matter.

ive devised an experiment to prve this wrong. i just need to waste some time doing it if i can be bothered

No one in FE can be bothered to do any experiments, so don't worry, no one is expecting any.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2011, 05:41:23 PM »
The sun doesn't disappear to perspective like the sinking ship. Please consult Earth Not a Globe on the matter.

Perspective has been shot down.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=51476.0

- It hasn't.

- I said that the sun did not disappear to perspective in the text your quoted.

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2011, 06:56:15 PM »
The sun doesn't disappear to perspective like the sinking ship. Please consult Earth Not a Globe on the matter.

Perspective has been shot down.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=51476.0

- It hasn't.

- I said that the sun did not disappear to perspective in the text your quoted.

From your post:
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Here is what Earth Not a Globe has to say on the subject:

  • "The question, "how is it that the earth is not at all times illuminated all over its surface, seeing that the sun is always several hundred miles above it?" may be answered as follows:--

    First, if no atmosphere existed, no doubt the light of the sun would diffuse over the whole earth at once, and alternations of light and darkness could not exist.

    Secondly, as the earth is covered with an atmosphere of many miles in depth, the density of which gradually increases downwards to the surface, all the rays of light except those which are vertical, as they enter the upper stratum of air are arrested in their course of diffusion, and by refraction bent downwards towards the earth; as this takes place in all directions round the sun--equally where density and other conditions are equal, and vice versâ--the effect is a comparatively distinct disc of sun-light."

First of all, Rowbotham says that the sun is several hundred miles above the earth.  Modern FET contends that the sun is 3000 miles above the FE.

Secondly, transcontinental flights fly well above the densest layers of the atmosphere.  This suggests that the sun should still be visible during these flights, even during night flights.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2011, 07:24:30 PM »

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The sun appears when its area of light passes over.

So its a spotlight?

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No, the sun would not always be visible from the plane.

Why not?  Are you contending that the atmosphere is still too thick?  Because its really thin up there.  And there are no reports of an eternal sun even higher such as in a SR71 Blackbird at 85,135 feet.

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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2011, 08:03:08 PM »

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The sun appears when its area of light passes over.

So its a spotlight?


No, it's a celestial body.
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Re: 200 member society can't raise enough money for a round the world flight?
« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2011, 08:12:33 PM »

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The sun appears when its area of light passes over.

So its a spotlight?


No, it's a celestial body.

Troll much?  Its pretty obvious I mean't in reference to how it shines it's light.

And way to ignore the second half of the post which is regarding the celestial body that you mentioned.