God keeps his promises?

I saw that message out on the main board of a church I drive by every day and it got me thinking: is this true? Is it even testable? Has anything God promised actually happen?

I don't know.

I think you do know.

Is there any evidence of any god actually making a promise, or communicating in any way for that matter?

I think you do know.

You are incorrect. Having not read the bible from end to end I can not say if there is one instance where God promises something that later happens.

I think you do know.

Is there any evidence of any god actually making a promise, or communicating in any way for that matter?

He's speaking theologically, not realistically. The existence or lack-thereof of god is insignificant.

Quote from: Particle Person on November 03, 2011, 05:29:38 PM

I think you do know.

Is there any evidence of any god actually making a promise, or communicating in any way for that matter?

He's speaking theologically, not realistically. The existence or lack-thereof of god is insignificant.

How are we to discuss whether or not a god's promise was kept, in reality, if we aren't speaking about reality?

http://jcsm.org/Online/WeeklyDevotions478.htm

Apparently one of his promises was that he would protect the Jews. Lololol.... oh not funny.

Anyway, some of the Jews in Auswitz put God on trial and found him guilty of breaking his promises.



So the answer is no.

The bible speak of Isreal during the end times, Isreal only came back into existence in 1948. It was not a country for hundreds if not thousands of years. God promised Isreal would be here at the end.

The bible speak of Isreal during the end times, Isreal only came back into existence in 1948. It was not a country for hundreds if not thousands of years. God promised Isreal would be here at the end.

It's not the end yet so we can't say if Israel will still exist at the end. Therefore that doesn't count.
Got anything else?

Please read GnAP (god not a promiser) thanks.

The bible speak of Isreal during the end times

Good job I never said anything about Israel.

I was gonna list god's promises but I got bored looking for them. Apparently if you hearken unto the lord you won't ever be afraid again. I think there are lots of Christians not hearkening right.

The bible speak of Isreal during the end times, Isreal only came back into existence in 1948. It was not a country for hundreds if not thousands of years. God promised Isreal would be here at the end.

Also, self-fulfilling prophecy; it is man that names land and claims political borders. Those men whole believe Israel should be named Israel, will fight for that.

Was god's promise that man's recognition of geographical coordinates, would be named a certain way by man? It's an arbitrary distinction.

Quote from: Particle Person on November 03, 2011, 05:29:38 PM

I think you do know.

You are incorrect. Having not read the bible from end to end I can not say if there is one instance where God promises something that later happens.

I assume you are entering under the nauseatingly generous premise that god wrote the bible?

Here's something interesting:
Early Christians expected Jesus to return within a generation of his death. When the second coming did not occur, the early Christian communities were thrown into turmoil. Christianity only survived after Christians revised their expectations.

Quote from: hoppy on November 03, 2011, 08:03:00 PM

The bible speak of Isreal during the end times, Isreal only came back into existence in 1948. It was not a country for hundreds if not thousands of years. God promised Isreal would be here at the end.

Also, self-fulfilling prophecy; it is man that names land and claims political borders. Those men whole believe Israel should be named Israel, will fight for that.

Was god's promise that man's recognition of geographical coordinates, would be named a certain way by man? It's an arbitrary distinction.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 03, 2011, 05:30:54 PM

Quote from: Particle Person on November 03, 2011, 05:29:38 PM

I think you do know.

You are incorrect. Having not read the bible from end to end I can not say if there is one instance where God promises something that later happens.

I assume you are entering under the nauseatingly generous premise that god wrote the bible?

Here's something interesting:
Early Christians expected Jesus to return within a generation of his death. When the second coming did not occur, the early Christian communities were thrown into turmoil. Christianity only survived after Christians revised their expectations.

Clearly there's at least one person on this planet who is over 2000 years old, and Jesus will come before (s)he finally dies.

Religions are always able to pretend that's what things were supposed to be like in the first place. When they find life on other planets they'll turn to some chapter of Genesis and say "Look! We were expecting this. Isn't God great?"

Quote from: hoppy on November 03, 2011, 08:03:00 PM

The bible speak of Isreal during the end times, Isreal only came back into existence in 1948. It was not a country for hundreds if not thousands of years. God promised Isreal would be here at the end.

It's not the end yet so we can't say if Israel will still exist at the end. Therefore that doesn't count.
Got anything else?

It might not count for you, it is still pretty amazing that Isreal disappeared for that long and reappeared. I don't think that has ever happened in history before.

 This link has some history that was prophecied in the Bible, and then later happened. It is not too quick of a read. If you spend some time reading and researching you will see some amazing things that have happened.


                      http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Verac/C-1201.htm#123

This link has some history that was prophecied in the Bible, and then later happened. It is not too quick of a read. If you spend some time reading and researching you will see some amazing things that have happened.
                      http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Verac/C-1201.htm#123

First one I read:

- WHAT THE BIBLE PROPHECIED

It is against this backdrop of "Babylon the great" that we find the biblical prophets announcing Babylon's annihilation. They, of course, do this claiming to be conveying a God-given revelation. The prophet Isaiah recorded in the late seventh century BC:

    'Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there. But desert creatures will lie there, .. I will turn her into a place for owls and into a swampland; I will sweep her with the broom of destruction,' declares the Lord Almighty... (Isaiah 13:19-21, 23 NASB)

lol wut.
People be livin there. People be pitchin tents there. Sheep be chillin there. Not much of a swampland.

Or did god just take issue with the name and not actual territory?

Quote from: hoppy on November 04, 2011, 06:15:57 PM

This link has some history that was prophecied in the Bible, and then later happened. It is not too quick of a read. If you spend some time reading and researching you will see some amazing things that have happened.
                      http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Verac/C-1201.htm#123

First one I read:

Quote

- WHAT THE BIBLE PROPHECIED

It is against this backdrop of "Babylon the great" that we find the biblical prophets announcing Babylon's annihilation. They, of course, do this claiming to be conveying a God-given revelation. The prophet Isaiah recorded in the late seventh century BC:

    'Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the glory of the Babylonians pride, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; no Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there. But desert creatures will lie there, .. I will turn her into a place for owls and into a swampland; I will sweep her with the broom of destruction,' declares the Lord Almighty... (Isaiah 13:19-21, 23 NASB)

lol wut.
People be livin there. People be pitchin tents there. Sheep be chillin there. Not much of a swampland.

Or did god just take issue with the name and not actual territory?

I thought that was odd too, especially when you go down to the next prophecy that gives a different description of it's destruction.

    'Flee out of Babylon; leave the land of the Babylonians, and be like the goats that lead the flock. For I will stir up and bring against Babylon an alliance of great nations from the land of the north. They will take up their positions against her, and from the north she will be captured... So Babylonia will be plundered;... Like a lion coming up from Jordan's thickets to a rich pastureland, I will chase Babylon from its land in an instant... Babylon will suddenly fall and be broken... I will fill you with men, as with a swarm of locusts, and they will shout in triumph over you... No rock will be taken from you for a cornerstone, nor any stone for a foundation, for you will be desolate forever,' declares the Lord.

    The sea will rise over Babylon; its roaring waves will cover her. Her towns will be desolate, a dry and desert land, a land where no one lives... I will make her officials and wise men drunk,... they will sleep forever and not awake... Babylon's thick walls will be leveled... When you finish reading this scroll, tie a stone to it and throw it into the Euphrates. Then say, 'So will Babylon sink to rise no more...' (from Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51 NASB)

And why is God claiming credit when it was the Persians who attacked?  And the Persians weren't Christians or Jewish or even Islamic.  Therefore, OTHER gods destroyed Babylon.

Also:
Who says it won't come back?  The Bible sure, but in a 1,000 years it could be back, completely invalidating the above.

The bible speak of Isreal during the end times, Isreal only came back into existence in 1948. It was not a country for hundreds if not thousands of years. God promised Isreal would be here at the end.

Yeah but the only reason that the jews put so much effort into re-creating isreal was to fulfill that prophecy in the hope that it would bring on the end-days.

How are we to discuss whether or not a god's promise was kept, in reality, if we aren't speaking about reality?

If Batman promised hot sex to Robin and then they never had hot sex, then Batman didn't keep his promise. Whether or not Batman and Robin exist is irrelevant.

And why is God claiming credit when it was the Persians who attacked?  And the Persians weren't Christians or Jewish or even Islamic.  Therefore, OTHER gods destroyed Babylon.

Also:
Who says it won't come back?  The Bible sure, but in a 1,000 years it could be back, completely invalidating the above.

Is God not allowed to use instruments to bring about His purpose? If it was destroyed by an asteroid, would you not be asking the same thing? Elsewhere, He states the Assyrians were used as a rod of his anger against Israel. Can He not use instruments at His choosing? The City of Babylon still sits in ruins.

There is a famous story in which the Kaiser asks Bismarck, “Can you prove the existence of God?” Bismarck replies, “The Jews, your majesty. The Jews.”

None of this, of course, proves the existence of God in any scientific manner.

Apparently one of his promises was that he would protect the Jews.

Considering Israel is punished several times by God, perhaps this protection is not the sort you are looking for. What promise, specifically, are you addressing? The fact that a remnant of Judaism has survived and even at times prospered (even in dispersion) over the course of nearly four thousand years is fairly impressive to me.

Quote from: Particle Person on November 03, 2011, 06:41:37 PM

How are we to discuss whether or not a god's promise was kept, in reality, if we aren't speaking about reality?

If Batman promised hot sex to Robin and then they never had hot sex, then Batman didn't keep his promise. Whether or not Batman and Robin exist is irrelevant.

How would we verify that they didn't have hot sex?

Quote from: PizzaPlanet on November 07, 2011, 12:53:58 PM

Quote from: Particle Person on November 03, 2011, 06:41:37 PM

How are we to discuss whether or not a god's promise was kept, in reality, if we aren't speaking about reality?

If Batman promised hot sex to Robin and then they never had hot sex, then Batman didn't keep his promise. Whether or not Batman and Robin exist is irrelevant.

How would we verify that they didn't have hot sex?

And how do we verify that they never will?

I think they had hot sex.

Quote from: PizzaPlanet on November 07, 2011, 12:53:58 PM

Quote from: Particle Person on November 03, 2011, 06:41:37 PM

How are we to discuss whether or not a god's promise was kept, in reality, if we aren't speaking about reality?

If Batman promised hot sex to Robin and then they never had hot sex, then Batman didn't keep his promise. Whether or not Batman and Robin exist is irrelevant.

How would we verify that they didn't have hot sex?

Because the official writers who define their actions have yet to include this in any plot or backstory, and they cease to exist outside that context?

I think there are lots of Christians not hearkening right.

You can say that again.

I think there are lots of Christians not hearkening right.

Indeed.  Some of us even hearken left.
 

How would we verify that they didn't have hot sex?

I would read all comic books and watch all movies. Canon stuff only, of course.
This is why it's such an excellent analogy - in both cases, all you need to do is read some fiction.

And how do we verify that they never will?

Irrelevant. Whether or not he will keep his promise at some point in the undefined future does not affect the fact that so far he has not kept the promise.

Quote from: Lorddave on November 09, 2011, 03:00:33 AM

And how do we verify that they never will?

Irrelevant. Whether or not he will keep his promise at some point in the undefined future does not affect the fact that so far he has not kept the promise.

Religion says otherwise. Israel didn't exist for hundreds of years. During that time God didn't keep his promise.

Quote from: PizzaPlanet on November 14, 2011, 02:37:48 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on November 09, 2011, 03:00:33 AM

And how do we verify that they never will?

Irrelevant. Whether or not he will keep his promise at some point in the undefined future does not affect the fact that so far he has not kept the promise.

Religion says otherwise. Israel didn't exist for hundreds of years. During that time God didn't keep his promise.

...How is that disagreeing?

I believe that God promises to never again kill nearly all humanity like in the flood.  Some Americans holding high offices have been known to cite this as a reason to dismiss climate change as nothing to worry about -- God won't let the world become unlivable. However, there is only one way I can think of to test this and I don't very much like the prospect of that.