On perspective

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Very good find, but pictures and video that show a RE arent accepted at the FES. Only theorys/pictures/sketches and video that agree with a FE are ever accepted by any FE member or troll. Epic find btw.

Thanks, I've been here before and that's not very helpful.

Thanks, I've been here before and that's not very helpful.

And what is wrong with that picture? Shows flatness.

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 26, 2011, 02:51:00 PM

Thanks, I've been here before and that's not very helpful.

And what is wrong with that picture? Shows flatness.

Did I say there was something wrong with it?  I just don't see how it is possible on a flat earth without bendy light.  Specifically, I believe it is evidence against Rowbotham's perspective explanation.  I'm just looking for someone who believes in Rowbotham's explanation of perspective (like Tom) to explain how it is possible.

Quote from: dim on October 27, 2011, 02:55:55 AM

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 26, 2011, 02:51:00 PM

Thanks, I've been here before and that's not very helpful.

And what is wrong with that picture? Shows flatness.

Did I say there was something wrong with it?  I just don't see how it is possible on a flat earth without bendy light.  Specifically, I believe it is evidence against Rowbotham's perspective explanation.  I'm just looking for someone who believes in Rowbotham's explanation of perspective (like Tom) to explain how it is possible.

What is bendy light?They light that curves?

And how it is possible on the flat earth? Sun is far away and rays it emits are obstructed by the mountain which makes a shadow...  Direct straight rays, why it would bend in this picture or on the flat earth?

What is bendy light?They light that curves?

Bendy light is a cop-out often used to explain the fact that physics only works on a round Earth.

Just to try to stay on topic, this isn't about bendy light.  It's about perspective. 

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Just to try to stay on topic, this isn't about bendy light.  It's about perspective. 

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 26, 2011, 12:36:51 PM

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Perspective makes sun to appear for an eye at the eye level and even at below eye level. It is just a visual effects. So, the very peak of a mountain obstructs the light (the effect of light) and makes a shadow on bottom of clouds. What discrepancy you see here?

Perspective does not tell how the sun appears to move from the eastern horizon to the western one.  Using only perspective, the sun would be far off, then get larger and larger, circle around behind you, and then move off into the distance, getting smaller and smaller the whole time.

Perspective does not tell how the sun appears to move from the eastern horizon to the western one.  Using only perspective, the sun would be far off, then get larger and larger, circle around behind you, and then move off into the distance, getting smaller and smaller the whole time.

At least sun's glare is really getting larger and larger and then smaller and smaller. And we, with our eyes, cannot notice the "body" of the Sun. Never observed it in the telescope with sunlight filter for a significant amout of time thou.

Quote from: jroa on October 27, 2011, 05:43:52 AM

Perspective does not tell how the sun appears to move from the eastern horizon to the western one.  Using only perspective, the sun would be far off, then get larger and larger, circle around behind you, and then move off into the distance, getting smaller and smaller the whole time.

At least sun's glare is really getting larger and larger and then smaller and smaller. And we, with our eyes, cannot notice the "body" of the Sun. Never observed it in the telescope with sunlight filter for a significant amout of time thou.

I am not exactly sure what you are saying, but I think you are saying that the size of the sun is not always the same.  Perspective does not account for the position of the sun, though.  It would only account for the size.

the whole "flock of seagulls" setting sun has been debunked and will be removed from the FAQ.

thank you for the photo, it is beautiful...

Quote from: dim on October 27, 2011, 05:49:16 AM

Quote from: jroa on October 27, 2011, 05:43:52 AM

Perspective does not tell how the sun appears to move from the eastern horizon to the western one.  Using only perspective, the sun would be far off, then get larger and larger, circle around behind you, and then move off into the distance, getting smaller and smaller the whole time.

At least sun's glare is really getting larger and larger and then smaller and smaller. And we, with our eyes, cannot notice the "body" of the Sun. Never observed it in the telescope with sunlight filter for a significant amout of time thou.

I am not exactly sure what you are saying, but I think you are saying that the size of the sun is not always the same.  Perspective does not account for the position of the sun, though.  It would only account for the size.

Perspective would change everything - position, size... perceived speed, color.

And on this picture mountain obstruct the light, so the shadow casts on everything behind the mountain, and on the bottom of the clouds too.

Quote from: jroa on October 27, 2011, 05:51:45 AM

Quote from: dim on October 27, 2011, 05:49:16 AM

Quote from: jroa on October 27, 2011, 05:43:52 AM

Perspective does not tell how the sun appears to move from the eastern horizon to the western one.  Using only perspective, the sun would be far off, then get larger and larger, circle around behind you, and then move off into the distance, getting smaller and smaller the whole time.

At least sun's glare is really getting larger and larger and then smaller and smaller. And we, with our eyes, cannot notice the "body" of the Sun. Never observed it in the telescope with sunlight filter for a significant amout of time thou.

I am not exactly sure what you are saying, but I think you are saying that the size of the sun is not always the same.  Perspective does not account for the position of the sun, though.  It would only account for the size.

Perspective would change everything - position, size... perceived speed, color.

And on this picture mountain obstruct the light, so the shadow casts on everything behind the mountain, and on the bottom of the clouds too.

Perspective accounts for the size and relative position (due to their size) of things.  Perspective can not be used to prove the bending of light.

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 27, 2011, 03:03:40 AM

Quote from: dim on October 27, 2011, 02:55:55 AM

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 26, 2011, 02:51:00 PM

Thanks, I've been here before and that's not very helpful.

And what is wrong with that picture? Shows flatness.

Did I say there was something wrong with it?  I just don't see how it is possible on a flat earth without bendy light.  Specifically, I believe it is evidence against Rowbotham's perspective explanation.  I'm just looking for someone who believes in Rowbotham's explanation of perspective (like Tom) to explain how it is possible.

What is bendy light?They light that curves?

And how it is possible on the flat earth? Sun is far away and rays it emits are obstructed by the mountain which makes a shadow...  Direct straight rays, why it would bend in this picture or on the flat earth?

On a flat earth, light rays from the sun are always going down.  To be cast on the bottom of clouds, they'd have to be going up.

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 27, 2011, 05:09:39 AM

Just to try to stay on topic, this isn't about bendy light.  It's about perspective. 

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 26, 2011, 12:36:51 PM

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Perspective makes sun to appear for an eye at the eye level and even at below eye level. It is just a visual effects. So, the very peak of a mountain obstructs the light (the effect of light) and makes a shadow on bottom of clouds. What discrepancy you see here?

The discrepancy I see here is thus:

The sun is over 2000 miles above the clouds, which are above the mountain.   Not only do I not understand how the sun can light the bottom of the clouds (being that is above them), I don't understand how it can project a shadow of the mountain on the underside of the clouds.

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Answer: Bendy Light.

Thatīs all folks

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Answer: Bendy Light.

Thatīs all folks

Again, this thread isn't about bendy light.  There are people out there who swear light doesn't bend and the earth is flat.  I'd like to know how this can happen within those parameters.

FEīers are like a bunch of little boys trying to convince each other they have superpowers. They try to explain why they can see through walls, saying they have X-ray vision. When somebody ask why they donīt kill people by the radiation, they say "thatīs because itīs very little powered!" which contradcts the first affirmation. Also, they donīt need to have common theories, as they are not scientists 

FEīers are like a bunch of little boys trying to convince each other they have superpowers. They try to explain why they can see through walls, saying they have X-ray vision. When somebody ask why they donīt kill people by the radiation, they say "thatīs because itīs very little powered!" which contradcts the first affirmation. Also, they donīt need to have common theories, as they are not scientists

Okay, I'd just like to keep this on topic.  I feel like if we can eliminate certain models of FE, it will be a step in the right direction towards a unified model.

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Light is reflected from the earth back towards the clouds. I'm not sure why this is difficult for you to consider.

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 26, 2011, 12:36:51 PM

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Light is reflected from the earth back towards the clouds. I'm not sure why this is difficult for you to consider.

I have seen light reflect off of lakes onto the bottom of a cloud, but never this bright.

"The rising Sun catches the peak, and the shadow is cast on the underside of the cloud layer."



http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Quote from: Part of the Problem on October 26, 2011, 12:36:51 PM

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Light is reflected from the earth back towards the clouds. I'm not sure why this is difficult for you to consider.

I have considered it and I never said it was difficult to consider.  It is difficult to believe as I've never seen sunlight reflect off the ground in that way.

Clearly the sun is below the clouds on this photo; it cannot be reflected light.

Clearly the sun is below the clouds on this photo; it cannot be reflected light.

Only on a flat earth can the sun feasibly go beneath the clouds. However, personally, I highly doubt that the sun hangs that low above the earth.

Only on a round earth can the sun feasibly go beneath the clouds.

Incorrect. In the standard RE model, the sun is 92,955,887.6 miles from Earth.

And?