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« on: October 26, 2011, 10:06:08 AM »
So after much thought and consideration my wife and I have decided to homeschool our 3 school age children, which up to this point have been the product of public schools.

Was anyone out there homeschooled?  Does anyone know of somebody that was homeschooled and is now grown?  Any advice, thoughts, or concerns?

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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 10:14:32 AM »
They will do better than regular kids in exams. That's the pro.

The cons.
They won't get as much practice as regular kids do at socialising with peers.
They may become lonely
They may find building sexual relationships hard because they have not interacted with opposite sex people from a young age. This may make them scared of the opposite sex.

One of my friends at uni was home schooled by his mother. He resented her bitterly for it. He absolutely hated her and had no respect for her at all.

Education isn't the only skill kids should learn. I think kids need to learn with other kids. They may not know quiet as much maths or who wrote what poem, but they will get skills like being able to look strangers in the eye, public speaking, confidence and self awareness, an ability to fit into different social roles and they will meet more people.

Do you want you kids to be 'normal'? Why risk giving them an abnormal education.

My 2 cents.

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 10:18:06 AM »
Well I thought about the socializing aspect Thork.  Check the comments section from this website.

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/spending/blog/college-solution/can-homeschoolers-do-well-in-college/2551/

It relieved some of the fears I was having about that.

One of my friends at uni was home schooled by his mother. He resented her bitterly for it. He absolutely hated her and had no respect for her at all.

Well 50% of teenager leave the house resenting their parents for one reason or another do they not.  There is always that teenage angst.


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Re: Homeschooling
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2011, 10:20:09 AM »
I wouldn't do it. Socialization is way too important these days. They will be more readily prepared for life if they go through the public school system.

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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2011, 10:22:10 AM »
I wouldn't do it. Socialization is way too important these days. They will be more readily prepared for life if they go through the public school system.

*sigh*  Did you read the link i provided there?  And unless you know someone that was homeschooled that is now failing at life, how can you make that assumption?

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Re: Homeschooling
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2011, 10:29:53 AM »
If wardogg can't figure out a way to get his kids to socialize outside of school, he shouldn't be a parent. There are always going to be community sports, clubs girl scouts and all that crap that can supplement the school experience..  Thats the least of my concerns. My TRUE concern is if they sit home all the time, they may eat all the chickens.

I remember a few homeschooled kids who were odd... but if you looked at their families, you wondered how much the home schooling had to do with it vs. heredity.

DO IT WARDOGG DO IT! But ask the Govt. for the tax money you wasted on their public schools back.

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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2011, 10:32:09 AM »
Well I thought about the socializing aspect Thork.  Check the comments section from this website.

http://moneywatch.bnet.com/spending/blog/college-solution/can-homeschoolers-do-well-in-college/2551/

It relieved some of the fears I was having about that.

One of my friends at uni was home schooled by his mother. He resented her bitterly for it. He absolutely hated her and had no respect for her at all.

Well 50% of teenager leave the house resenting their parents for one reason or another do they not.  There is always that teenage angst.


He still hates her and never talks to her now. He's 31. He purely puts it down to them spending too much time together when he was a kid.

My friend did go to uni a year early (home school kids do better at education), but once out of parental control, he never went to lectures. He took year two, 3 times. He was a good friend and of course I asked him about it. He said he would never home school his kids. He couldn't handle freedom away from his parents when  first given to him.

Also, its a huge burden on you/your wife. Why the f*ck woud you want to spend all that time with your kids? Its not normal. You should use the time they are at school to jump the wife.
Its a full time job. If which ever parent wants a full time job, go get one. The quality of life that income would add, would likely benefit your kids when they make college choices etc or want to buy a first home instead.
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Re: Homeschooling
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2011, 10:46:30 AM »
Thanks Dann!  :-*

Yes all of my children are involved in sports programs outside of school.  Plus there are homeschooled fieldtrips and all sorts of community activities that are posted on different websites to sign up and go to.

He still hates her and never talks to her now. He's 31. He purely puts it down to them spending too much time together when he was a kid.

My friend did go to uni a year early (home school kids do better at education), but once out of parental control, he never went to lectures. He took year two, 3 times. He was a good friend and of course I asked him about it. He said he would never home school his kids. He couldn't handle freedom away from his parents when  first given to him.

Also, its a huge burden on you/your wife. Why the f*ck woud you want to spend all that time with your kids? Its not normal. You should use the time they are at school to jump the wife.
Its a full time job. If which ever parent wants a full time job, go get one. The quality of life that income would add, would likely benefit your kids when they make college choices etc or want to buy a first home instead.

Well my wife is stay at home mom anyways. I do have a full time job.  Hell I havent even been home in the last 5 weeks.  So that time they are at school is time im gone anyways.  No time for nooners.   I think a parents job should be involved in their childs lives as much as possible.  This is just taking that to the next level.  Im not sure if its unnatural. 

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2011, 10:52:31 AM »
Ok, well I would ask people who were homeschooled, now they are adults. I wouldn't listen two hoots to other parents homeschooling their kids and are convinced they are doing the right thing.

Also consider the Mrs quality of life. I'm sure she would rather be lunching with the ladies than going over maths for 14 year olds. Adults don't want to talk to kids all day.

You need to be convinced that sending your kids to uni a year early maybe, is worth all the time, all the effort, potential fractured relationships, and won't harm your kids social development. It sounds a hell of a risk for such a crap gain to me ... but I'm not a parent.

Good luck.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2011, 11:02:56 AM »
Ok, well I would ask people who were homeschooled, now they are adults. I wouldn't listen two hoots to other parents homeschooling their kids and are convinced they are doing the right thing.

Yeah actually this was the point of the thread.  Trying to find adults that were homeschooled or people that knew some.

Also consider the Mrs quality of life. I'm sure she would rather be lunching with the ladies than going over maths for 14 year olds. Adults don't want to talk to kids all day.

We talked about this...plus we just had a baby so shes extra busy with that.  I will say, this was originally her idea that Ive let her run with and supported.


Good luck.

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Re: Homeschooling
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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2011, 11:15:36 AM »
If you want to help them academically you can supplement their education, but it does seem kind of odd to invest so much time and effort to receive fairly minor possible benefits when faced with the risk that it still might leave them socially underdeveloped (how will they learn to deal with morons/incompetents in these sports clubs?) and the very significant risk that one party will end up hating the other just from overexposure.

I know I hated my mum at times, just because she was a teacher so we had all the same holidays. I shudder to think that I wouldn't even get to leave the house every day for school.

And hell, your taxes pay for public schooling anyway, why not just use it and supplement it privately in the unlikely event you actually need to?

About the social aspect.

http://school.familyeducation.com/home-schooling/human-relations/56224.html

I wouldn't trust a site called "familyeducation.com" when it comes to this. I suspect a vested interest.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2011, 11:15:59 AM »
About the social aspect.

http://school.familyeducation.com/home-schooling/human-relations/56224.html
That is you structuring and choosing your children's friends and social circles. Its not letting them deal with a douchebag playground bully, or feeling bad they beat up a kid at school, or telling a teacher to go f*ck themselves or getting caught smoking in the toilets with their friends, or coming home with a ripped uniform, or trading lunch for pogs or any of the things normal children do. Its wrapping them in cotton wool and controlling every aspect of their lives. Its not preparing them for life. Its protecting them from it. School isn't just about learning stuff in the classroom. Many of the things that made you a resilient adult weren't taught on the curriculum.

Now stop dragging me back into this with links. I have had my say. >:(

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Re: Homeschooling
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2011, 11:26:29 AM »
I think a parents job should be involved in their childs lives as much as possible.

No. Just... no.

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2011, 11:50:56 AM »
I think a parents job should be involved in their childs lives as much as possible.

No. Just... no.

Whoa, never saw that. No, no, no. They will grow up weird and hate you if you take that to its logical conclusion. It won't work anyway, as soon as they hit 10 or 11 they will specifically want to keep you out of certain areas of their lives, and most of the time they're justified in that. If they're smoking crack or hanging around with nazis, feel free to intervene. Otherwise, it's all a learning experience.
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2011, 12:07:48 PM »
If you want to help them academically you can supplement their education, but it does seem

kind of odd to invest so much time and effort to receive fairly minor possible benefits when

faced with the risk that it still might leave them socially underdeveloped (how will they

learn to deal with morons/incompetents in these sports clubs?) and the very significant risk

that one party will end up hating the other just from overexposure.


I know I hated my mum at times, just because she was a teacher so we had all the same

holidays. I shudder to think that I wouldn't even get to leave the house every day for

school.


While possible I still say it can happen to non homeschooled children.  The teenager vs

parent fight is there regardless of the schooling.  As for being socially underdevoleped

that seems to be more and more of a myth the more I read about it.

And hell, your taxes pay for public schooling anyway, why not just use it and supplement it

privately in the unlikely event you actually need to?

Because they are failing at it anyways.  With all the shit that is talked about Amerikkkas

failing school system I am actually surprised at the reistence here.  I hated the social

scene at my schools, and truly cannot say I am better because of it.  Post high school made

me what I am today.  Not the bullshit that went on in highschool.

About the social aspect.

http://school.familyeducation.com/home-schooling/human-relations/56224.html

I wouldn't trust a site called "familyeducation.com" when it comes to this. I suspect a

vested interest.

Agreed.  I need to find an independent source.


About the social aspect.

http://school.familyeducation.com/home-schooling/human-relations/56224.html
That is you structuring and choosing your children's friends and social circles. Its not

letting them deal with a douchebag playground bully, or feeling bad they beat up a kid at

school, or telling a teacher to go f*ck themselves or getting caught smoking in the toilets

with their friends, or coming home with a ripped uniform, or trading lunch for pogs or any

of the things normal children do. Its wrapping them in cotton wool and controlling every

aspect of their lives. Its not preparing them for life. Its protecting them from it. School

isn't just about learning stuff in the classroom. Many of the things that made you a

resilient adult weren't taught on the curriculum.

Now stop dragging me back into this with links. I have had my say. >:(

Those things can be taught at a moral level.  Which no school is willing to do anyways.  You

could say its "controlling" every aspect of their lives.  I like to say its being involved

in every aspect.  Which is the parents job.  Its not as if I am locking them up in the

closet and only letting them out for math lessons here.  My wife and I have fiends we

socialize with and they all have kids...some are bullies...some are morons...all those

things are still experienced.  Im not living on 40 acre farm in the middle of nowhere...we

are talking about suburbian living here.  There are many neighborhood kids they go out and

play with every night.  I am not sure why this is the biggest hangup you all have.

I think

a parents job should be involved in their childs lives as much as possible.

No. Just... no.

Call me when you grow up and have kids.  Or enjoy your 13 yr olds daughter's pregnancy. 

Either way, yes, just yes.

I think

a parents job should be involved in their childs lives as much as possible.

No. Just... no.

Whoa, never saw that. No, no, no. They will grow up weird and hate you if you take

that to its logical conclusion. It won't work anyway, as soon as they hit 10 or 11 they will

specifically want to keep you out of certain areas of their lives, and most of the time

they're justified in that. If they're smoking crack or hanging around with nazis, feel free

to intervene. Otherwise, it's all a learning experience.

I don't think that is true at all.  I have a 13 yr old that may keep some things from me but

I have been as involved as much as I can in her life.  And near as I can tell she doesnt

hate me.  We just went on a weekend long hunting trip last month.  As for my 10 yr old she

absolutley adores me...just ask her.  :)  If you let children run amok and have no idea what

they are doing, then the repercussions of that can be life changing, not necessarily life

building either. 

Are you also saying that because I have never done crack cocaine that I dont know that it is

bad for you because I  havent "experienced" it?  Things can be taught with out the actual

experience.  Observation is a wonderful tool



If the social aspect is everyones biggest concern, which the respondents so far seem to all

be circling around, then I feel we have made the right choice.

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Re: Homeschooling
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2011, 12:24:41 PM »
Homeschooling is a fine idea as long as you make a clear distinction between opinion (especially political) and facts. The upside of school is that you get to encounter people from many different backgrounds and with varying opinions. Homeschooling might limit that a bit.
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Re: Homeschooling
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2011, 12:31:50 PM »
How wealthy is your local area? The schools in America are awful on average because the school funding is drawn from local taxes, meaning rich areas have far better-funded schools, whilst the majority languish. If your wife can afford not to have a job I assume you're doing okay, which means your local school should in turn be okay. And as I said, if it isn't then you can supplement it to get the results you want without any possible drawbacks.

As for the "hate" thing, I'm talking about the cabin-fever feel of your wife being with the kids ALL THE TIME, not teenness.

And I made no claims about your experience with crack, I was just using it as an example of what sort of scale at which I'd say you really need to intervene forcefully. If it really looks like they might fuck up their lives, I'd step in, but other than that it'd just be advice and gentle bribery, or blackmail if I'm a little short on money.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2011, 12:34:29 PM »
If you let children run amok and have no idea what they are doing, then the repercussions of that can be life changing, not necessarily life building either.

That's a totalitarian way of thinking. Sure, I guess they'll grow "safe", but you're still infringing their personal sense of freedom by not letting them run amok, and they will hate you for it. Much like how everyone hates totalitarianism. Them adoring you now will most likely not have any effect on how they'll feel about you in the future.

Also, have you even asked your children if they want to be homeschooled?

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2011, 12:37:18 PM »
Also, have you even asked your children if they want to be homeschooled?

Why has nobody asked that before?
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2011, 12:45:16 PM »
I see the problem here. You're getting the initial fact from biased sources (by which I mean the Media in general, not any one aspect of it). The American school system is one of the best. The (non-)issue at hand is that most countries focus on memorizing facts in their school system, while American schools put a bigger emphasis on critical thinking. This results in our kids not doing as well on standardized tests and the such, but being better thinkers, which is more important.

P.S. the reason the Media in general is biased about this is that a report on how Americans are falling behind is going to get better ratings than a report on how Americans aren't quite as good on standardized tests but are a bit better at critical thinking so, you know, it all kinda evens out.

P.P.S. at least, that's how it was explained to me.
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2011, 01:44:16 PM »
Depends on the state and the public school district you're in.

Some public schools are really good some are not so good. 

Social activities aren't a worry either since you have noted many activities in your own community (they are in your own community right?). 

However, the problem is going to be putting them into a mindset of being at home all the time.

My personal advice is to go public education with a tutor for an hour after school and 3 hours every 2 days during the summer.  The summer time is when kids lose all of the information they gained during the school year.

The tutor is not for testing or better grades.  The problem with a lot of school systems is that they're so stressed for time and have 30+ students per teacher that giving individual attention to each child is difficult if not impossible so they simply teach the subject material enough to get the kids to pass the test rather than understand the material.  This is the true failing of the public education system.

So if you have an extra tutor to ensure that your children get that one on one attention they need with their lessons, I think they'll be fine.  You essentially get the best of both worlds.  And the summer stuff is to make sure they don't forget what they should have known AND to get them a head start on next year OR to give them more information about something they found interesting and wanted to learn more about.
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Re: Homeschooling
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2011, 01:55:54 PM »
It won't hurt to give it a try, but if Mrs Wardogg changes her mind about it, then I hope you support her in that as well. If the two of you are determined your kids get a good education then they will, if y'all slack off and let them watch TV instead then you'll have them living with you when they're 40.
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2011, 05:54:47 PM »
Also, have you even asked your children if they want to be homeschooled?

Why has nobody asked that before?

No time to respond to the others right now, but yes they have been.  The oldest is the only one flip flopping on the subject.

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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2011, 11:55:27 AM »
Homeschooling is a fine idea as long as you make a clear distinction between opinion (especially political) and facts. The upside of school is that you get to encounter people from many different backgrounds and with varying opinions. Homeschooling might limit that a bit.

I was going to say this in a much more cynical manner, but I agree.
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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2011, 05:03:09 PM »
 i've been reading this post with interest as i work in education of sorts.

I can understand homeschooling if you live in the out of beyond sort of place, but why keep the children away from other children?. Yes, i know you have put up links to the socialization of home schoolers, but there is so much the children learn from being in a classroom, which might not be obvious to others.

In UK, class sizes are generally 30 kids, one teacher, one TA.

So, the kids learn to listen to one adult in a large group setting.
The kids learn to follow instruction and to get on with things independently (which is an essential skill needed for adult work life)- the two adults cannot deal with 30 kids all at the same time
The kids also learn respect, by waiting for their turn to speak and to listen to others thoughts and ideas for example, writing stories on a theme, there are 29 ideas for each child to think about and expand on
and like others have said, the children learn to deal with the opposite sex, from an early age they learn things subconciously and also they learn how to get on with each other in a day to day setting.

Also, another thought, what happens should there be a big arguement or something in the morning, how are you all going to deal with it when you are all together all day? - you all need head space to think things through - sometimes, the kids just need other kids who are not emtionally involved just to chat to, to get a different perspective on things.

And yes, the kids in the playground learn lots of skills too - from sorting disputes to helping one another - it does happen occasionally, i promise

ok, i'm going to stop there or else i'll be writing all night. (but i may end up adding more stuff later lol) I may also have written stuff thats already been said, sorry.

But as a parent myself and my job, i'd say public or private schooling it better. Kids need lots of other kids to learn how to grow up to be a good memeber of society.
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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2011, 07:32:38 PM »
I have to ask. Why Wardogg, why?!

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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2011, 07:44:02 PM »
They may find building sexual relationships hard because they have not interacted with opposite sex people from a young age.

I don't see much sense in this. I interacted with the opposite sex from a very young age, and have never been able to form a sexual relationship.
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2011, 09:55:12 PM »
I have to ask. Why Wardogg, why?!
This. Plus all of what Crazy Diamond said and a few others with similar ideas, and,

I'm not sure what the system is like in the US, but over here it is strictly regulated whereby the parents (teachers) are routinely assessed by education officers to make sure the curriculum is being thoroughly taught.  You have to remember that the teachers from high schools, even primary schools. are education specialists; many specifying in the own feilds (chemistry, maths, English, music etc) and not many parents have the ability to stand up to such academic rigour when trying to teach to the same standards at home.  Such is the case that many parents fail the testing and end up having to send students back into schools who are further behind than where they should be.

You also must remember that school as an institution also comes with benefits. One is that it is regular, encouraging attendance and punctuality, where kids attend everyday on time.  Are you going to be able to keep the same sort of routine going in your home?
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2011, 08:35:37 AM »
i've been reading this post with interest as i work in education of sorts.

I can understand homeschooling if you live in the out of beyond sort of place, but why keep the children away from other children?.
I'm not keeping them away from other children, as I have already explained.  And their social status is nowhere near a priority to me.


The kids also learn respect,
  This is absurd.  Are you saying I cannot teach my children to be respectful?  Have you seen what come out of public schools these days?  Have you compared that to the respectfulness of homeschooled children?

and like others have said, the children learn to deal with the opposite sex, from an early age they learn things subconciously and also they learn how to get on with each other in a day to day setting.

Again they will not be sheltered from other children. 

Also, another thought, what happens should there be a big arguement or something in the morning, how are you all going to deal with it when you are all together all day? - you all need head space to think things through - sometimes, the kids just need other kids who are not emtionally involved just to chat to, to get a different perspective on things.
  It will be no different than if there was an argument on a non school day morning. 


But as a parent myself and my job, i'd say public or private schooling it better. Kids need lots of other kids to learn how to grow up to be a good memeber of society.

Show me any study that shows that, then maybe we will talk about it.


I have to ask. Why Wardogg, why?!

The main reason is every study shows it does nothing but help the child.  Ive never seen one study or statistic that says public school is better than Homeschooling.

You also must remember that school as an institution also comes with benefits. One is that it is regular, encouraging attendance and punctuality, where kids attend everyday on time.  Are you going to be able to keep the same sort of routine going in your home?

I am very punctual.  I wouldn't see why my children wouldn't be that as well through my guidance.


They may find building sexual relationships hard because they have not interacted with opposite sex people from a young age.

School is not a place for sexual relationships.  We teach abstinence till marriage anyways.  Are you suggesting that they will never get married because I pulled them out of school?  Preposterous.