Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!

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markjo

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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #90 on: October 23, 2011, 07:36:40 PM »
Nowhere, on any map, the distances are accurate regarding the FE theory.

Citation needed. Did you map out the distances between every point on earth?

Check anywhere. Atlases, internet. You'll see that there is always something wrong with the southern hemisphere with a FE map.

So I guess that's a "no" then.

You don't need to check the distances between every point on earth.  You only need to check a few distances (preferably in the southern hemiplane) to see if distances are consistant or not with FET.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #91 on: October 23, 2011, 10:56:05 PM »
Nowhere, on any map, the distances are accurate regarding the FE theory.

Citation needed. Did you map out the distances between every point on earth?

Check anywhere. Atlases, internet. You'll see that there is always something wrong with the southern hemisphere with a FE map.

So I guess that's a "no" then.

You don't need to check the distances between every point on earth.  You only need to check a few distances (preferably in the southern hemiplane) to see if distances are consistant or not with FET.

Why would you check distances in the Southern Hemiplane when there are Flat Earth Maps which can account for those distances?

Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #92 on: October 24, 2011, 12:36:27 AM »
Because they are wrong, if you'd done some research you'd know it.

And anyway there's no FE map precise enough to make some measurements.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #93 on: October 24, 2011, 01:58:47 AM »

Why would you check distances in the Southern Hemiplane when there are Flat Earth Maps which can account for those distances?
lol, classic trolling there Tom.

I would say, for the same reason you shouldn't let banks have control over fed reserve appointees.  (not that that stops them).

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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2011, 06:07:25 AM »
Distances between 2 cities:

Sydney - Capetown: 6,843 miles
Sydney - Buenos Aires: 7,330 miles
Buenos Aires - Capetown: 4,269 miles

Far fewer than what we can observe on a FE map.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2011, 06:09:31 AM »
Distances between 2 cities:

Sydney - Capetown: 6,843 miles
Sydney - Buenos Aires: 7,330 miles
Buenos Aires - Capetown: 4,269 miles

Far fewer than what we can observe on a FE map.
Why should the supposed distances between places in an RE model concern us? They are inaccurate.

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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2011, 06:10:23 AM »
Distances between 2 cities:

Sydney - Capetown: 6,843 miles
Sydney - Buenos Aires: 7,330 miles
Buenos Aires - Capetown: 4,269 miles

Far fewer than what we can observe on a FE map.

That's funny, those distances seem to work just fine on my map.


Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #97 on: October 24, 2011, 06:25:54 AM »
You mean, on the map where Australia is completely ditorted? Where New Zealand is merely a dotted map? Where the Pacific Ocean is enormous? Where the distance from Sydney to Tokyo is wrong?
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #98 on: October 24, 2011, 06:46:48 AM »
Distances between 2 cities:

Sydney - Capetown: 6,843 miles
Sydney - Buenos Aires: 7,330 miles
Buenos Aires - Capetown: 4,269 miles

Far fewer than what we can observe on a FE map.

That's funny, those distances seem to work just fine on my map.
Whatever map you choose, you correct one area and some other area becomes inaccurate.

First human spacewalker, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov: “Lifting my head I could see the curvature of the Earth's horizon. ’So the world really is round,’ I said softly to myself, as if the words came from somewhere deep in my soul. "

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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #99 on: October 24, 2011, 06:58:57 AM »
Distances between 2 cities:

Sydney - Capetown: 6,843 miles
Sydney - Buenos Aires: 7,330 miles
Buenos Aires - Capetown: 4,269 miles

Far fewer than what we can observe on a FE map.

That's funny, those distances seem to work just fine on my map.
Whatever map you choose, you correct one area and some other area becomes inaccurate.
Once again, why should landmasses on a flat earth map have to have the same measurements as those on an RE globe do? The earth is flat, people.

Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #100 on: October 24, 2011, 07:33:28 AM »
If the Earth is flat, find us a FE map.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #101 on: October 24, 2011, 07:43:18 AM »
Distances between 2 cities:

Sydney - Capetown: 6,843 miles
Sydney - Buenos Aires: 7,330 miles
Buenos Aires - Capetown: 4,269 miles

Far fewer than what we can observe on a FE map.

That's funny, those distances seem to work just fine on my map.

Of course those distances work fine.  Your "map" is based on RE geometry.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #102 on: October 24, 2011, 07:44:14 AM »
Distances between 2 cities:

Sydney - Capetown: 6,843 miles
Sydney - Buenos Aires: 7,330 miles
Buenos Aires - Capetown: 4,269 miles

Far fewer than what we can observe on a FE map.

That's funny, those distances seem to work just fine on my map.
Whatever map you choose, you correct one area and some other area becomes inaccurate.
Once again, why should landmasses on a flat earth map have to have the same measurements as those on an RE globe do? The earth is flat, people.
um, it's a thing called map making.  It's been done since mankind first set sail upon the ocean or set out from his cave to explore other caves.  And it got a crapload more accurate when they invented the sextant.  Don't let Thork and Tom browbeat you.  Despite their earnest protestations that the distances from one place to another on the planet are either not known or determined by conspiracy provided gps data, this is infact a complete phallacy and they both know it.

Mariners have been measuring distances and plotting the shapes of continents for thousands of years.  The Romans built straight roads, proven today with modern survey equipment, and used wheels to accurately measure distances.  There are many different ways in which distances can be measured, and the distances used by RE are those same distances that have been verified again and again through many different factors.  Flight times and ship times are another means of measuring distance - if the known distances were as inaccurate as they would have to be to explain a flat earth, then it would be as plain as day obvious that something wasn't adding up.
First human spacewalker, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov: “Lifting my head I could see the curvature of the Earth's horizon. ’So the world really is round,’ I said softly to myself, as if the words came from somewhere deep in my soul. "

Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #103 on: October 24, 2011, 07:51:01 AM »
Distances between 2 cities:

Sydney - Capetown: 6,843 miles
Sydney - Buenos Aires: 7,330 miles
Buenos Aires - Capetown: 4,269 miles

Far fewer than what we can observe on a FE map.

That's funny, those distances seem to work just fine on my map.

Of course those distances work fine.  Your "map" is based on RE geometry.

Yes, I am still looking for a FE map which makes sense (obviously the 2 famous ones don't).
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #104 on: October 24, 2011, 08:03:20 AM »
this is infact a complete phallacy
Oo err missus.
Mariners have been measuring distances and plotting the shapes of continents for thousands of years.
But Round-Earth methods for topography are nonsensical. Look at this Wikipedia passage, which claims that the length of a ruler used to measure an object changes the measured length!
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At some time in the years immediately preceding 1951, Lewis Fry Richardson in researching the possible effect of border lengths on the probability of war noticed that the Portuguese reported their measured border with Spain to be 987 km, but the Spanish reported it to be 1214 km. This was the beginning of the coastline problem, which is how to arrive at an estimate of a boundary that is infinite.[6]
The prevailing method of estimating a border (or coastline) was to lay off n equal straight-line segments of length ℓ with dividers on a map or aerial photograph. Each end of the segment must be on the boundary. Investigating the discrepancies in border estimation Richardson discovered what is now termed the Richardson Effect: the sum of the segments is inversely proportional to the common length of the segments. In effect, the shorter the ruler, the longer the measured border; thus, the Spanish and Portuguese geographers were using different-length rulers.
The Romans built straight roads, proven today with modern survey equipment
This proves that the earth is flat.
and used wheels to accurately measure distances.
That would be accurate only on a perfectly flat surface.
Flight times
I call conspiracy on this one. Airlines are already known to be satanic.
ship times are another means of measuring distance
Ship times rely heavily on weather conditions and on undetectable ocean currents.

Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2011, 08:39:42 AM »
Funny, as often!

Thanks Lord Xenu for your wit! (but sorry I can't tke you seriously)
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2011, 09:41:13 AM »
You mean, on the map where Australia is completely ditorted? Where New Zealand is merely a dotted map? Where the Pacific Ocean is enormous? Where the distance from Sydney to Tokyo is wrong?

Prove that it's wrong. We know that 1/4th of all international flights are delayed.

How can you show that the Round Earth map is correct for distances between each and every point on the map?

Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #107 on: October 24, 2011, 09:53:02 AM »
You mean, on the map where Australia is completely ditorted? Where New Zealand is merely a dotted map? Where the Pacific Ocean is enormous? Where the distance from Sydney to Tokyo is wrong?

Prove that it's wrong. We know that 1/4th of all international flights are delayed.

How can you show that the Round Earth map is correct for distances between each and every point on the map?

I love your quote about the delayed flights!

As I told you before, there is a gigantic amount of data about distances (atlases, encyclopaedias, dictionnaries, internet, GPS) that we KNOW the distances to be right and coherent with a globe.

As far I've seen, nothing as consistent with the FE model.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #108 on: October 24, 2011, 09:59:46 AM »
I love your quote about the delayed flights!

According to the DOT, the average on-time arrival rate is 75% among the 16 largest carriers.

http://www.gadling.com/2011/06/08/airline-industry-best-and-worst-of-april-2011/

    "Overall, the airline industry posted an average on-time arrival rate of 75.5 percent. This means that a quarter of the time, they miss the mark. It's almost as easy as being a weather man!"

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As I told you before, there is a gigantic amount of data about distances (atlases, encyclopaedias, dictionnaries, internet, GPS) that we KNOW the distances to be right and coherent with a globe.

How do we KNOW this? I can look up lots of factually false stuff on the internet. I can find many incorrect encyclopedia articles. Atlases are flat. GPS is government controlled. How do we KNOW that the earth is round?

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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #109 on: October 24, 2011, 10:06:58 AM »
Even a single on-time flight between California to Sydney disproves your map. They don't all need to be on time for us to know that the distance between the two points is half what your map says it is.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #110 on: October 24, 2011, 10:11:49 AM »
Even a single on-time flight between California to Sydney disproves your map. They don't all need to be on time for us to know that the distance between the two points is half what your map says it is.

The vast majority of flights hop from place to place for long destinations, like a mail run. The mail carrier doesn't make a special delivery straight to your house. He has a route and stops from place to place picking up and dropping off mail. It's more efficient this way.

The very few flights which do travel direct routes long distances are likely delayed, in that 25% statistic.
« Last Edit: October 24, 2011, 10:13:41 AM by Tom Bishop »

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« Reply #111 on: October 24, 2011, 10:17:20 AM »
Your example still remains ludicrous.

Since I won't be able to convice me and since you won't give me a reason why I am wrong, why don't you give me a FE theory with a map and distances which match.
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« Reply #112 on: October 24, 2011, 10:51:30 AM »
Even a single on-time flight between California to Sydney disproves your map.

Search American Airlines website for flight 7365 from yesterday. It arrived on time. Your map is debunked.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #113 on: October 24, 2011, 11:08:46 AM »
Even a single on-time flight between California to Sydney disproves your map.

Search American Airlines website for flight 7365 from yesterday. It arrived on time. Your map is debunked.

Did the pilot use any jet streams to reach his destination?

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« Reply #114 on: October 24, 2011, 11:13:09 AM »
What about boats?

What about land transport?

What about the ginormous amount of data vs. your disputable examples?

Etc.
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« Reply #115 on: October 24, 2011, 11:15:25 AM »
If only you asked this many questions about how the earth could be round. Zetecism starts from inquiry.

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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #116 on: October 24, 2011, 11:18:08 AM »
What about boats?

Ship times rely heavily on weather conditions and on undetectable ocean currents.
>:(

What about land transport?
Where on Earth are the roads straight and traffic-free enough for the shape of the earth to make any difference?

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« Reply #117 on: October 24, 2011, 11:19:35 AM »
No data to contradict me. Just wrong examples and assertions.
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Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #118 on: October 24, 2011, 12:21:08 PM »
No data to contradict me. Just wrong examples and assertions.
Ah, evading my points with a generic RE response. A sign of defeat.

Re: Gosh the Conspiracy has a lot to do!
« Reply #119 on: October 24, 2011, 12:28:56 PM »
Not really. You're talking about means of transportation, which is a way for you to confuse cause and consequences.
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