FET's gravity

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FET's gravity
« on: October 18, 2011, 10:15:59 PM »
From the FAQ, I understand that you sincerely believe that the supposedly FE does not provide strange gravitational effects because gravity does not apply, but at the same time gravity somehow applies (and in pretty unreasonably strong quantities, if I understand your numbers right) to celestial objects. How does it not apply to Earth's mass? All that happened in FAQ to explain it was a wave of the hand and a claim that Earth is special. How, then, do you explain the Cavendish Experiment? I can see you claiming that, since the metal balls are not Earth, they can have gravitational pull. However, the metal was once part of the earth, was it not? Then  at what point and how would it gain gravitation?

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2011, 11:19:34 PM »
In 1818, Doctor John Cleves Symmes, Jr. proved without any doubt that earth is hollow (and who would questions the genius of such a great man?).
On the other side, according to FE'ers, Samuel Birley Rowbotham proved without any doubt that Earth is flat.

The earth must hence be flat and hollow, a hollow cylinder of some sort, with insignificant mass in comparison. 

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P.S.: Am I doing this right ? I am new to this cosmological-conspiracy-theory-based-on-writings-of-an-obscure-19th-century-amateur-cosmologist business...

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2011, 11:53:43 PM »
Am I doing this right ?
That depends on your definition of "right". You're a verbatim copy of the template angry noob, around and about since 2006 or so.
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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2011, 12:06:06 AM »
Wait, I made a picture:


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Lord Xenu

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 03:31:53 AM »
Wait, I made a picture:

That is truly lovely.   :)

Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2011, 12:37:25 PM »
As hollow as the mind of some people here!
“The Earth looks flat, therefore it is” FEers wisdom.

Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2011, 04:21:19 PM »
So... How does any of that relate to my question? Great theory, though, reminds me of Norse mythology; I like it.

Can someone acknowledge the Cavendish experiment's contradiction to FET, and how that can be reconciled?

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Lord Xenu

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2011, 02:02:57 AM »
So... How does any of that relate to my question? Great theory, though, reminds me of Norse mythology; I like it.

Can someone acknowledge the Cavendish experiment's contradiction to FET, and how that can be reconciled?
Have you considered that there might be forces at work between those metal balls other than "gravity"?

Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2011, 05:40:24 AM »
So... How does any of that relate to my question? Great theory, though, reminds me of Norse mythology; I like it.

Can someone acknowledge the Cavendish experiment's contradiction to FET, and how that can be reconciled?
Have you considered that there might be forces at work between those metal balls other than "gravity"?

Such as? More to the point, experiments have been done to determine G (i.e. the value the Cavendish experiment measures) that do not use the force between metal balls, so any 'other forces' are a moot point, as experiments have been done that would not have these forces.

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Lord Xenu

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2011, 06:57:26 AM »
Such as?
Magnetism, for example.
More to the point, experiments have been done to determine G
Such as what?

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2011, 11:53:37 AM »
All hail this great thread!
« Last Edit: October 20, 2011, 05:25:57 PM by hoppy »
God is real.                                         
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9665708/Flat-Earth-Bible-02-of-10-The-Flat-Earth

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2011, 12:26:58 PM »
In answer to the OP: Cavendish was a very poorly performed experiment. Even many globularist scientists agree with this. It completely failed to take other factors into account.

Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2011, 01:45:02 PM »
More to the point, experiments have been done to determine G
Such as what?

Atom interferometer measurements: Basically, they can determine very accurately how a collection of atoms has moved. By placing a mass near by and determinging any differences, they can determine G.

In answer to the OP: Cavendish was a very poorly performed experiment. Even many globularist scientists agree with this. It completely failed to take other factors into account.

So, because one experiment performed many years ago was flawed, all the experiments we have done since are flawed, even if they use different methods to account for the - obviously known - flaws in the Cavendish experiment?

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2011, 02:08:16 PM »
In answer to the OP: Cavendish was a very poorly performed experiment. Even many globularist scientists agree with this. It completely failed to take other factors into account.
Funny how you're quite happy to take mainstream scientists' opinion on a "poorly performed experiment" that doesn't "take other factors into account" when it suits your belief, yet you disregard the opinion of mainstream scientists who have come to the same conclusion regarding the Bedford Level experiment, the basis for all of this rubbish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment#Refraction

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 02:53:57 PM »
In answer to the OP: Cavendish was a very poorly performed experiment. Even many globularist scientists agree with this. It completely failed to take other factors into account.
Funny how you're quite happy to take mainstream scientists' opinion on a "poorly performed experiment" that doesn't "take other factors into account" when it suits your belief, yet you disregard the opinion of mainstream scientists who have come to the same conclusion regarding the Bedford Level experiment, the basis for all of this rubbish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment#Refraction


Actually, I found the problems for myself and later discovered that many agree with me.

Still too thick. Try adding water

Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2011, 09:46:07 PM »
Sure Cavendish has flaws, but that is the textbook example for a measurement of g using small objects. Much better, more advanced experiments have occurred since which still demonstrate gravitation. Your theory, which entirely rests on an extremely flawed, unupdated experiment which you refuse to acknowledge any possible wrong with, contradicts these facts. How do you explain this, other than ignore the question?

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Lord Xenu

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2011, 02:47:17 AM »
More to the point, experiments have been done to determine G
Such as what?

Atom interferometer measurements: Basically, they can determine very accurately how a collection of atoms has moved. By placing a mass near by and determinging any differences, they can determine G.

Sounds like a science fiction device to me.

Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2011, 02:52:25 AM »
More to the point, experiments have been done to determine G
Such as what?

Atom interferometer measurements: Basically, they can determine very accurately how a collection of atoms has moved. By placing a mass near by and determinging any differences, they can determine G.

Sounds like a science fiction device to me.

The paper: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/315/5808/74.abstract

A wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_interferometer

So no, they are not science fiction.
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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2011, 03:25:04 AM »
More to the point, experiments have been done to determine G
Such as what?

Atom interferometer measurements: Basically, they can determine very accurately how a collection of atoms has moved. By placing a mass near by and determinging any differences, they can determine G.

Sounds like a science fiction device to me.

The paper: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/315/5808/74.abstract

A wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_interferometer

So no, they are not science fiction.
Oh, if it's on Wikipedia it must be real. I apologize for doubting you.

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2011, 03:34:59 AM »
Oh, if it's on Wikipedia it must be real. I apologize for doubting you.

Sorry:
Stanford University: http://www.stanford.edu/group/chugroup/amo/interferometry.html
Berkeley: http://physics.berkeley.edu/research/mueller/Atom%20Interferometry/AI.htm
A book written on the topic: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/book/9780120924608 (You may not be able to access this one, you need a subscription)
A paper on the subject: http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/32/15/201
MIT: http://www.rle.mit.edu/ifm/html/ifm_pubs.html

Would you like more?
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Lord Xenu

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2011, 03:46:06 AM »
Oh, if it's on Wikipedia it must be real. I apologize for doubting you.

Sorry:
Stanford University: http://www.stanford.edu/group/chugroup/amo/interferometry.html
Berkeley: http://physics.berkeley.edu/research/mueller/Atom%20Interferometry/AI.htm
A book written on the topic: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/book/9780120924608 (You may not be able to access this one, you need a subscription)
A paper on the subject: http://iopscience.iop.org/0953-4075/32/15/201
MIT: http://www.rle.mit.edu/ifm/html/ifm_pubs.html

Would you like more?
I don't deny that conventional Round Earth scientists believe in the existence of such a machine. However, I believe that this device is fictional and is just another method of Conspiracy deceit.

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2011, 05:36:30 AM »
That's all right Xenu, most people believe that you are fictional too.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2011, 06:37:55 AM »
Actually, I found the problems for myself and later discovered that many agree with me.
How zetetic of you, starting with a conclusion, then finding evidence to agree with it.

Still too thick. Try adding water
So you're hiding comments now by using transparent text?
Is that supposed to be of some significance in this thread? Looks more like a response to where you ran away butt-hurt from your previous comments here http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=51150.msg1258855#msg1258855 and here http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=51150.msg1258744#msg1258744
Maybe you should respond to them in the correct thread. While you're at it, if you use non-transparent text it'll be a little easier to read.

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2011, 06:44:10 AM »
So you're hiding comments now by using transparent text?
Hello, and welcome to the Flat Earth Society.
Here's a quick newbie-hint: Calling people out on something everyone here does is very silly!
Enjoy your stay!
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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2011, 07:25:24 AM »
So you're hiding comments now by using transparent text?
Hello, and welcome to the Flat Earth Society.
Here's a quick newbie-hint: Calling people out on something everyone here does is very silly!
Enjoy your stay!
I haven't seen that done anywhere else, and to my knowledge its the first time someone has done that to me. Since when does everyone doing something mean anything? It's still a comment out of context and hidden.

Here's a quick real world hint: Actually thinking the world is flat is very silly. Doesn't seem to stop plenty of people claiming it on this website, so I guess looking silly isn't really much of a problem round here.

Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2011, 08:09:10 AM »
I don't deny that conventional Round Earth scientists believe in the existence of such a machine. However, I believe that this device is fictional and is just another method of Conspiracy deceit.

I hope you dont have to testify in court much, or string conversations together where they matter. Notice you said this just a couple posts ago?
Sounds like a science fiction device to me.

That in simple terms is a denial that it is real and/or anyone believes in the existance of such a machine.

The problem with text LX is that people can go back and see what you said before. please try to keep it together.
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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2011, 08:26:24 AM »
I haven't seen that done anywhere else, and to my knowledge its the first time someone has done that to me.
Yes, it's called being new. If you prefer, it's called being a newfag. I tried being friendly and helpful, but apparently you're not into that kind of thing. I'll keep that in mind.
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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2011, 08:35:24 AM »
If you prefer, it's called being a newfag.

Who spends too much time on 4chan? Pizza planet does.
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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2011, 08:39:42 AM »
Sounds like a science fiction device to me.

That in simple terms is a denial that it is real and/or anyone believes in the existance of such a machine.

Wut? I said it sounds like a science fiction device to me. This implies nothing about whether or not REers believe in the existence of this bizarre contraption.

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Re: FET's gravity
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2011, 08:41:52 AM »
Who spends too much time on 4chan? Pizza planet does.
Unfortunately, I can't link you to search results directly, but with just a bit of your own initiative you can find out that "newfag" is a common word round here. With just a bit more, you can discover that it's a common word everywhere in the Internet.
The Internet is a crazy place. I welcome you to it!
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