Sun over the Antarctic

I have read most of ENaG.  In it, Rowbotham seems to give a good rebuttal for most of the common arguments against a flat Earth.  However, although devoting a whole chapter to the subject, his only defense about the fact that the sun circles the sky in Antarctica during the summer and is absent during the winter is to try to discredit the claims from his day.  He does, however, seem to admit that this occurs at the northern pole.

I would like to ask the FErs here if they believe that this phenomena occurs, and if not, where does this misconception come from?

There is no midnight sun at the ice-wall. It is an Northern Hemisphere phenomenon only.

There is no midnight sun at the ice-wall. It is an Northern Hemisphere phenomenon only.

I am confused. Rowbotham says that sailors did not see this and were mistaken about their logs.  Yet, you agree with him and seem to claim that the scientists who have gone there are either lying, or are mistaken by this phenomena.   

The further you travel North, the longer the days are in summer. The exact opposite is happening in the southern Hemisphere.

So there is a midnight sun in Antartica during our winter.

I wonder if Thork have anything disproving this.

Reports of midnight sun in the rim-country are likely due to the NZ effect.

NZ? What's that?

Novaya Zemlya.

Novaya Zemlya.

Could you explain, please?

Here is a quote from someone who was there.

The 2010 New Year was, for many, seen in for the first time before a surreal backdrop of the Antarctic coastline. While not under fabled midnight sun, it might as well have been. Toss in a few icebergs, bad
hats, German dance music and 50-odd of the luckiest people on the planet, and it certainly was a New
Year’s celebration that will be long remembered. As with all post-midnight New Year’s celebrations,
decisions were made to either chose sleep or continued festivities for the remaining wee hours of the
morning. The bar or respective cabins were the destinations of choice.

In the middle of NH winter, the best time of year to get 24 hours of sun and it didn't happen? This account is one of many. People expressing disappointment with this is common.

According to litterature, NZ effect depends on meteorological conditions (therefore not occuring all the time), so it it difficult do hold it reponsible for the Midnight Sun.

Also since the Minight Sun in the Northern Hemisphere is the opposite of the one inthe the Southern, an since everyone can measure the difference of day length from let's say Icelend to Chile, the NZ is very unlikely to be the culprit.

According to litterature, NZ effect depends on meteorological conditions (therefore not occuring all the time), so it it difficult do hold it reponsible for the Midnight Sun.

Just as the fabled midnight sun does not occur all the time. Further, due to the nature of the ice sheets and temperature extremes there are many reports of stable atmospheric thermoclines in the Antarctic.

Also since the Minight Sun in the Northern Hemisphere is the opposite of the one inthe the Southern, an since everyone can measure the difference of day length from let's say Icelend to Chile, the NZ is very unlikely to be the culprit.

As the sun is on a more southernly course in the summer, it only makes sense that this is the time this effect results in the sun being observed at or near midnight during the longer days. The same effect occurs in the winter and can shorten the nights at either pole.

"The fabled midnight sun does not occur all the time”.

Plain wrong. Where do go get your data from?

Here is a quote from someone who was there.

Quote from: goo.gl/ffPVv (page 14)

The 2010 New Year was, for many, seen in for the first time before a surreal backdrop of the Antarctic coastline. While not under fabled midnight sun, it might as well have been. Toss in a few icebergs, bad
hats, German dance music and 50-odd of the luckiest people on the planet, and it certainly was a New
Year’s celebration that will be long remembered. As with all post-midnight New Year’s celebrations,
decisions were made to either chose sleep or continued festivities for the remaining wee hours of the
morning. The bar or respective cabins were the destinations of choice.

In the middle of NH winter, the best time of year to get 24 hours of sun and it didn't happen? This account is one of many. People expressing disappointment with this is common.

Not all of Antarctica receives the midnight sun and there is no mention where off the coast they were.


If you will notice there is a peninsula that sticks out near the Falkland Islands that is not within the Antarctic Circle (as well as a fair bit of the mainland coast) and therefore does not experience the midnight sun.  If this is the coast that is being referred to, then there is no contradiction.

If you will notice there is a peninsula that sticks out near the Falkland Islands that is not within the Antarctic Circle (as well as a fair bit of the mainland coast) and therefore does not experience the midnight sun.  If this is the coast that is being referred to, then there is no contradiction.

All that land mass, what are the odds that, that is where they are on that tiny outcrop? Do you think me so devious as to find quotes from such a narrow selection of expeditions? You are grasping at straws.

Besides, your map is ridiculous. You are thinking like a round earther still. You need to let that go. Your map can't be used for visualisation. Its like using a book depicting Jack's beanstalk or Rapunzel's hair.

Provide a better map, then!

And you're saying : "All that land mass, what are the odds that, that is where they are on that tiny outcrop?”
Have you got something more scientifical to say?

Here is a quote from someone who was there.

Quote from: goo.gl/ffPVv (page 14)

The 2010 New Year was, for many, seen in for the first time before a surreal backdrop of the Antarctic coastline. While not under fabled midnight sun, it might as well have been. Toss in a few icebergs, bad
hats, German dance music and 50-odd of the luckiest people on the planet, and it certainly was a New
Year’s celebration that will be long remembered. As with all post-midnight New Year’s celebrations,
decisions were made to either chose sleep or continued festivities for the remaining wee hours of the
morning. The bar or respective cabins were the destinations of choice.

In the middle of NH winter, the best time of year to get 24 hours of sun and it didn't happen? This account is one of many. People expressing disappointment with this is common.

Link Please.

Provide a better map, then!

And you're saying : "All that land mass, what are the odds that, that is where they are on that tiny outcrop?”
Have you got something more scientifical to say?

Based on that quote, there is a 98% probability that there is no midnight sun. Is that better?

Now, it would be very unscientific of you to then assume that the 2% chance must be the answer and pursue that as the only explanation would it not? But you are so convinced earth is round, you will play these silly thought experiments if it keeps the earth round. RErs are irrational.

Link Please.

Erm, you see where it says 'Quote from:' and then has a URL with a page number? Knock yourself out.

Quote from: EmperorZhark on October 14, 2011, 11:26:48 AM

Provide a better map, then!

And you're saying : "All that land mass, what are the odds that, that is where they are on that tiny outcrop?”
Have you got something more scientifical to say?

Based on that quote, there is a 98% probability that there is no midnight sun. Is that better?

Now, it would be very unscientific of you to then assume that the 2% chance must be the answer and pursue that as the only explanation would it not? But you are so convinced earth is round, you will play these silly thought experiments if it keeps the earth round. RErs are irrational.

They were actually on that outcropping. Funnily enough, it's called deception island. And it's a mere 3 degrees away from the Antarctic Circle, meaning its not subject to the midnight sun.

Link to the Wikipedia Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception_Island

Screen Capture of the Document:


Since you say there are many accounts that disprove the Midnight Sun, I believe you have no trouble finding them to prove your point.

Nice quote mining by the way. 

Oh, what a surprise! The round earthers calling foul play in the face of overwhelming evidence against them. And how convenient that the expedition I quoted from, is in some way exempt from the rules you determined. Here we have the ice-wall not being subject to a midnight sun as FE predicted. A fact so overwhelming RErs have conceded it to be true. But rather than face the truth staring them in the face, they are trying to weasel their way out on a technicality.

If you want more quotes use Google. Its that easy. A midnight sun is frequently observed as absent when it is not government stooges doing the reporting.

Oh, what a surprise! The round earthers calling foul play in the face of overwhelming evidence against them. And how convenient that the expedition I quoted from, is in some way exempt from the rules you determined. Here we have the ice-wall not being subject to a midnight sun as FE predicted. A fact so overwhelming RErs have conceded it to be true. But rather than face the truth staring them in the face, they are trying to weasel their way out on a technicality.

If you want more quotes use Google. Its that easy. A midnight sun is frequently observed as absent when it is not government stooges doing the reporting.

A Midnight Sun is not observed outside the Arctic or Antarctic Circles.
The Expedition you cited is outside(In other words; North.) of the Antarctic Circle.
Therefore, they should not experience the Midnight Sun.

This is no more a technicality than "3 does not equal 4" is a technicality.

Furthermore, The Burden of Proof is on you for claiming that The Midnight Sun, as a Natural Phenomenon, does not exist within Antarctica.

It is not my job to prove your point. Don't pretend it is.

Where is the problem? FE models do not have a midnight sun at the ice wall. Here, we all agree, we have no midnight sun at the ice-wall.

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The Antarctic circle is at latitude 66 degrees, 33 minutes and 44 seconds south of the equator.  As pointed out before, latitudes north of this will not experience the Antarctic midnight sun.  However, as you pointed out in the article, they said that "it might just as well have been" the midnight sun, suggesting that they were experiencing at least a significant amount of twilight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Circle

Where is the problem? FE models do not have a midnight sun at the ice wall. Here, we all agree, we have no midnight sun at the ice-wall.

Goal post Shifting;

First you claim there is no midnight sun within The Antarctic Circle (Which you then fail to back up).

Then you claim that there is no midnight sun outside the Circle.(An observation that's consistent with both RET and FET.)

Now then; As the second Claim is agreed upon, You must back up your first claim, or give us the FE explanation for the Sun over Antarctica for me to refute, otherwise I can claim the following is true:

FE theory doesn't explain "The Midnight Sun Phenomenon" consistently.
RE Theory does explain "The Midnight Sun Phenomenon" consistently.

Therefore, RET provides better results than FET on this Phenomenon.

And lastly, I will leave this Timelapse video for you to mull over:
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The Antarctic circle is at latitude 66 degrees, 33 minutes and 44 seconds south of the equator.  As pointed out before, latitudes north of this will not experience the Antarctic midnight sun.  However, as you pointed out in the article, they said that "it might just as well have been" the midnight sun, suggesting that they were experiencing at least a significant amount of twilight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Circle

There is no Antarctic circle. Its a made up imaginary line, concocted by the conspiracy to give the illusion the earth is a ball. You can forget any concept of an Antarctic circle. Again Markjo, you need to stop thinking in all terms starting from a round earth. Its so entrenched in you, you seem unable to view things from a neutral standpoint.

First you claim there is no midnight sun within The Antarctic Circle

I never said anything about an Antarctic circle. There is no such thing.

Then you claim that there is no midnight sun outside the Circle.(An observation that's consistent with both RET and FET.)

Again, quote me if you like, I never said anything about an Antarctic circle. You RErs need to stop putting words in my mouth.

Now then; As the second Claim is agreed upon, You must back up your first claim, or give us the FE explanation for the

What first claim? The OP was by a round earther claiming a midnight sun at earth's edge on a flat earth and saying it made FE wrong. We have no evidence of such a thing at the icewall. We all agreed it doesn't happen. I made no claims about an Antarctic circle. That's a fairytale. it doesn't appear on any FE map. Earth is not a whirling ball.

No evidence, no explanation, no refutation.

Concession Accepted.

Evidence was the article. Explanation is that there is no midnight sun. I refute that there is such a thing as an Antarctic circle.

Quote from: markjo on October 14, 2011, 02:10:21 PM

The Antarctic circle is at latitude 66 degrees, 33 minutes and 44 seconds south of the equator.  As pointed out before, latitudes north of this will not experience the Antarctic midnight sun.  However, as you pointed out in the article, they said that "it might just as well have been" the midnight sun, suggesting that they were experiencing at least a significant amount of twilight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Circle

There is no Antarctic circle. Its a made up imaginary line, concocted by the conspiracy to give the illusion the earth is a ball. You can forget any concept of an Antarctic circle. Again Markjo, you need to stop thinking in all terms starting from a round earth. Its so entrenched in you, you seem unable to view things from a neutral standpoint.

I'm not starting from an RE starting point.  I'm starting from a phenomenon observed by people on a regular basis (the midnight sun south of -66 degrees, 33 minutes, 44 seconds latitude.

Just because the Antarctic circle is an imaginary line, that doesn't mean that it isn't a useful reference.  The midnight sun phenomenon is predicted to occur within certain, specific regions.  The Antarctic Circle is a boundary to one of those regions.  If RET can explain why the midnight sun is witnessed in certain regions and FET can not, then which do you suppose is the better theory?

You miss the point. There is no midnight sun at the icewall Markjo. That makes your theory the wrong one.

You miss the point. There is no midnight sun at the icewall Markjo. That makes your theory the wrong one.

It is easy to say that someone is lying.  It is harder to provide proof.  All of the evidence points to the fact that Antarctica experiences 6 months of day light and 6 months of darkness.  Don't just say it is not true, unless you can provide some evidence.

You miss the point. There is no midnight sun at the icewall Markjo. That makes your theory the wrong one.

The sun around midnight in Antartica.

Time Lapse by Wayne Papps
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/media/news/2003/wayne-papps-1959-2003

Or this guy:
http://inantarctica2010.blogspot.com/p/celebrations-and-parties-in-antarctica.html

The midnight sun exists in Antarctica.