Obama's latest crime

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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2011, 10:40:24 AM »
Blanko- I would post historical constitutions but I'm not on my computer and my phone makes me lazy.

Roundy- If we all have empathy (except for atypical people) and thus morals, why would it matter if the president is an atheist or not?

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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2011, 12:49:29 PM »
Rooster, you need to read up on some elementary principles of philosophy. Well, unless your purpose is to entertain others at the cost of your pride.
I'm not even trying to be offensive. This is genuine advice.

Also: ITT: dancing and circumcision are moral issues.
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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2011, 01:36:02 PM »
Blanko- I would post historical constitutions but I'm not on my computer and my phone makes me lazy.

ok I'll wait

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Roundy- If we all have empathy (except for atypical people) and thus morals, why would it matter if the president is an atheist or not?

Because your country is so fucking Christian that it's best for the common good of your people that the president upholds a Christian facade.

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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #63 on: November 27, 2011, 02:08:31 PM »
I am beginning to think that the ability to empathize is inherent.  But then we still have to say that morals would derived from such characteristics.

Precisely.  Empathy is a God-given trait, and therefore, since our entire sense of morality is derived from empathy, it is ultimately derived from God.

In which case, God is an asshole for not giving it to certain people.
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« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2011, 02:36:52 PM »
Rooster, you need to read up on some elementary principles of philosophy. Well, unless your purpose is to entertain others at the cost of your pride.
I'm not even trying to be offensive. This is genuine advice.

Also: ITT: dancing and circumcision are moral issues.

>implying opinions here effect my pride.  ::)

Circumcision and dancing are moral issues depending on who you ask. It's true. I've read it.

But what elemementary principles do I need to read up on? I like that people assert ridiculous things to me- like confusing definitions. If inherent means an essential characteristic or habit and even if morals were just a social contract of every society- wouldn't that make morals inherent to humanity? Or does everyone really love arguing semantics so much that we'll just keep going in circles for no reason?

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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #65 on: November 27, 2011, 08:43:08 PM »
I am beginning to think that the ability to empathize is inherent.  But then we still have to say that morals would derived from such characteristics.

Precisely.  Empathy is a God-given trait, and therefore, since our entire sense of morality is derived from empathy, it is ultimately derived from God.

In which case, God is an asshole for not giving it to certain people.

Oh yes some people being different makes God an asshole. Lack of empathy is a distinct advantage in many areas. If anything he simply makes people what they need to be.

Funny that a person like yourself sees empathy as a necessary thing.

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« Reply #66 on: November 27, 2011, 09:48:39 PM »
Raist is a sociopath.

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« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2011, 05:31:37 AM »
>implying opinions here effect my pride.  ::)
Considering some of your reactions here... yep, I am implying that. Good luck proving your point.

Circumcision and dancing are moral issues depending on who you ask.
lol

But what elemementary principles do I need to read up on?
Let's start with inherence, morals, moral agency, moral issues, semantics, objective and subjective. That should let us make some progress here, hopefully.

If inherent means an essential characteristic or habit and even if morals were just a social contract of every society- wouldn't that make morals inherent to humanity?
No, it wouldn't. It would go against the very definition of inherence.
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« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2011, 08:21:40 AM »
Philosophy is such a waste of time.

Some of my reactions? Please. You don't know my actual reactions through the intarwebz. Good luck proving your point.

Morals seem pretty inherent to me just as aggressiveness, language, and religion are inherent to humans.

I'd like to know how Mirriam-Webster is leading me so astray with these definitions. It really seems like some of you are just muddying things up to prove... something? I really don't even know what some of you are arguing about. I just think morals are inherent, but arguing about philosophy is ultimately pointless making this all a giant waste of time.

PS: dancing is wrong and bad, not being circumcised is wrong and bad. This is a moral issue. Just because you're a crazy liberal does not mean this isn't a question of morality.

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« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2011, 08:31:22 AM »
>argue about philosophy
>claim arguing about philosophy is pointless

Yeah, just leave this board if you have nothing better to contribute.

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« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2011, 08:57:33 AM »
Well it's particularly annoying when people tell me I'm wrong without actually enlightening me. Debate doesn't hurt my pride since it's only a learning experience and I'm not an insecure teenager who's above learning. As far as I can tell the only thing anyone else is contributing to this thread is telling me I'm wrong. Am I wrong?

This would be a little less pointless if someone would actually discuss something with me rather than pick apart my posts to tell me I'm wrong. This is just a horrible troll attempt so far. Blanko I'll ignore at this point cause he's just sexist.

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« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2011, 09:04:55 AM »
We're not only telling you you're wrong, we're explaining why you're wrong, which is what debate is about. We are enlightening you, we're telling you how you could further your knowledge on the subject matter.

If you're unable or unwilling to understand the concepts we're dealing with then you have no one to blame but yourself. Again, perhaps a board that isn't focused on what you consider to be "a waste of time" would be more suitable for you.

And don't start with the OH HE DISAGREES WITH ME HE MUST BE TROLL AND SEXIST, there are more suitable boards for that as well.

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« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2011, 09:51:25 AM »
PP told me what words to look up, unless Mirriam-Webster is wrong then I'm confused. all you've said is that I'm wrong and try to tell me what to do. No one is actually enlightening me or even attempting to do so.

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Blanko

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« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2011, 09:55:47 AM »
I told you to read up on Hobbes which is quite essential for understanding what my arguments are about. Evidently you have not yet done so.

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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2011, 10:39:22 AM »
You're useless.

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« Reply #75 on: November 28, 2011, 10:44:23 AM »
No, rooster, that is not how debates work.

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« Reply #76 on: November 28, 2011, 10:55:56 AM »
>separation of church and state

Seems like Obama is doing it right.

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« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2011, 10:57:54 AM »
That doesn't mean what you're implying it to mean. But I agree that "God" has no place in government.
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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #78 on: November 28, 2011, 11:10:13 AM »
What does a thanksgiving speech that's supposed to address the public have to do with the government?

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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #79 on: November 29, 2011, 12:01:15 PM »
Raist is a sociopath.

Only for you.  :-*

Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #80 on: November 29, 2011, 06:17:35 PM »
America was founded as a Christian nation and is still a Christian nation. Obama used God in his speachs and debates to get elected. However, once he did, it became very clear that he is in fact just a common athiest. Atheism in society is tantamount to Satinism. Without the moral codes instilled by God then the country would be left to nothing but anarchy. 2012 is too far away. To save America, I say we impeach now before it's too late.

Why does one need to believe in God to have morals?


Because without the objective morality imposed by God, morality becomes completely subjective.  Which means people would be able to choose their own morals.  Which means rampant murder, rape, prostitution, drugs, theft, etc.
That's not true at all. Countries with a majority of atheists tend to be more "successful" in terms of less homicides suicides and so on...
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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #81 on: November 29, 2011, 06:41:07 PM »
What I find funny, is if this is true, then the only thing keeping christians from raping and pillaging people for the sheer fun of it is that Big Brother is watching them.  ;D
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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2011, 07:08:19 PM »
What I find funny, is if this is true, then the only thing keeping christians from raping and pillaging people for the sheer fun of it is that Big Brother is watching them.  ;D

I find it horrifying, but we can only hope that their cult will continue to (mostly) suppress their powerful urges to rape and eat children.  :-\
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Re: Obama's latest crime
« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2011, 10:48:15 PM »
Apparently, God was mentioned in his written address, and the last 2 presidents have done the same thing on at least one occasion. But Fox throws a shit fit over this one, I wonder why.
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