Map of Antarctica

The map of antarctica is pretty well documented.
 like this one :


This shows that antarctica is NOT a damn icewall around earth. Geeze i can't believe i'm pointing this out...

Are you saying that all researchers and explorers who have ever been to antarctica are part of the conspiracy?? And that all the research and facts observed there about animals, habitat, ice, land, map accuracy, etc, is all lies??

And if its all a lie, how come you FEers don't have a map as detailed as this one that show what the icering is like? please don't point me to your avatars...

It may just be my computer, but I do not see a link or picture after your "like this one" statement.

There:

http://www.ign.fr/partage/institutionnel/Antarctique/carte-antarctique-hd.pdf

You can check if there are any mistakes.

I see it now.

I suppose the biggest argument will be, "How can you say for certain that this is the shape and layout of Antarctica?  Have you seen it from a great height, or are you just assuming this is the actual shape because you have been brainwashed to believe that it is?"

No, I ask you to debunk the hoax, if there's one.

There are hundreds of islands in the vast oceans of the Earth. That could be any one of them.

I see it now.

I suppose the biggest argument will be, "How can you say for certain that this is the shape and layout of Antarctica?  Have you seen it from a great height, or are you just assuming this is the actual shape because you have been brainwashed to believe that it is?"

This is NOT an argument. Because i can simply reply "well how can you say for certain that it is NOT the shape of antarctica?".

This is exactly the type of answer that leads the discussion nowhere.

There are hundreds of islands in the vast oceans of the Earth. That could be any one of them.

Which one? Find it!

No, I ask you to debunk the hoax, if there's one.

I concede.  I can not debunk the hoax that Antarctica spreads around a disk instead of the shape it is portrayed in every map that people use everyday.  Therefore, you round earthers win this round.

There are hundreds of islands in the vast oceans of the Earth. That could be any one of them.

Show me some kind of evidence, such as an aerial photo, and I will say that you may be right.  Otherwise, I will say that you are pulling things out of the air to fill holes that can not otherwise be filled.  I would not even call this conjecture, since conjecture needs at least a little evidence, such as, "When I look at the horizon, it looks flat".

Quote from: jroa on September 28, 2011, 07:45:21 AM

I see it now.

I suppose the biggest argument will be, "How can you say for certain that this is the shape and layout of Antarctica?  Have you seen it from a great height, or are you just assuming this is the actual shape because you have been brainwashed to believe that it is?"

This is NOT an argument. Because i can simply reply "well how can you say for certain that it is NOT the shape of antarctica?".

This is exactly the type of answer that leads the discussion nowhere.

Read my post again.  I did not say that this is a fact, nor did I say that I believe this.  I was predicting what your opponents will say in this debate.

Quote from: gnnmsf on September 28, 2011, 07:55:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on September 28, 2011, 07:45:21 AM

I see it now.

I suppose the biggest argument will be, "How can you say for certain that this is the shape and layout of Antarctica?  Have you seen it from a great height, or are you just assuming this is the actual shape because you have been brainwashed to believe that it is?"

This is NOT an argument. Because i can simply reply "well how can you say for certain that it is NOT the shape of antarctica?".

This is exactly the type of answer that leads the discussion nowhere.

Read my post again.  I did not say that this is a fact, nor did I say that I believe this.  I was predicting what your opponents will say in this debate.

Read MY post again. I never said you thought it was fact nor that you believe it.  I did understand your post. I was simply replying that what you thought the opponents would say does not constitue an argument. You know, before they try to...

My apologies.  I thought you were directing that at my statement.

and yet another thread with no answer from FEers to my question...

The map of middle earth is pretty well documented.
 like this one :


This shows that middle earth is NOT a fictional realm. Geeze i can't believe i'm pointing this out...

Are you saying that all researchers and explorers who have ever been to middle earth are part of the conspiracy?? And that all the research and facts observed there about animals, habitat, ice, land, map accuracy, orcs, etc, is all lies??

And if its all a lie, how come you FEers don't have a map as detailed as this one that show what the other side is like? please don't point me to your avatars...

Oh wow, this is as simple minded as it gets...

1. why don't you answer my question?

2. Are you saying that there is scientifical evidence of the existence of middle earth?? That people have been there, studied it, etc, and that therefore your comparison with actual earth is valid?? Are you that retarded? Or are you just trying to ridicule my question because lets face it, you have no other way of answering it and both you and I know how ignorant your response would sound...

Oh wow, this is as simple minded as it gets...

1. why don't you answer my question?

lol good luck, all you will get is off topic responces

Oh wow, this is as simple minded as it gets...

1. why don't you answer my question?

2. Are you saying that there is scientifical evidence of the existence of middle earth?? That people have been there, studied it, etc, and that therefore your comparison with actual earth is valid?? Are you that retarded? Or are you just trying to ridicule my question because lets face it, you have no other way of answering it and both you and I know how ignorant your response would sound...

No, I'm pointing out the retarded nature of your assumption that the existence of maps proves the existence of the landmass they depict.

Quote from: gnnmsf on September 28, 2011, 01:46:15 PM

Oh wow, this is as simple minded as it gets...

1. why don't you answer my question?

2. Are you saying that there is scientifical evidence of the existence of middle earth?? That people have been there, studied it, etc, and that therefore your comparison with actual earth is valid?? Are you that retarded? Or are you just trying to ridicule my question because lets face it, you have no other way of answering it and both you and I know how ignorant your response would sound...

No, I'm pointing out the retarded nature of your assumption that the existence of maps proves the existence of the landmass they depict.

Its not the existence of maps that proves anything. Its the fact that they came into existence based on actual, verifiable facts. Its that they are the result of very long, on-site research. How can you even deny that? And most importantly, why are such maps inexistant in FET??

Quote from: General Douchebag on September 29, 2011, 01:27:41 PM

Quote from: gnnmsf on September 28, 2011, 01:46:15 PM

Oh wow, this is as simple minded as it gets...

1. why don't you answer my question?

2. Are you saying that there is scientifical evidence of the existence of middle earth?? That people have been there, studied it, etc, and that therefore your comparison with actual earth is valid?? Are you that retarded? Or are you just trying to ridicule my question because lets face it, you have no other way of answering it and both you and I know how ignorant your response would sound...

No, I'm pointing out the retarded nature of your assumption that the existence of maps proves the existence of the landmass they depict.

Its not the existence of maps that proves anything. Its the fact that they came into existence based on actual, verifiable facts.

We eagerly await your verification.

We eagerly await your verification.

Oh really?? you do???

Lets examine how you FEers respond to such verification : you either say the verifier is lying or part of your non-sense conspiracy.
You've never accepted a single successful verification as proof. No matter how many have been done, No matter how many pictures and videos, no matter how many trips to space, no matter how many flights, no matter how many boats, no matter how many goddamn national geographic expeditions...

So how would you react exactly if I told you I went around the world from north to south and from east to west?? Let me take a wild guess....

I've actually made a thread about this, to try and understand exactly WHAT PROOF YOU FEers WOULD ACCEPT. And guess what again?? not a single one of you can answer it. Why? BECAUSE YOU WON'T ACCEPT ANY. Stating the earth is flat has for you become more important than being an objective thinker. You're stubborn : even if you're wrong, you won't ever accept you're wrong. plain and simple.

So let me tell you, i'm not the one who needs to do the verification, because obviously you've already ignored the thousands of verifications that have already been made.

YOU are the one who is trying to disprove it all. YOU are the one who needs to do the goddam verification, since nobody else's word or proof is trustworthy enough for you to believe. Just like when you take someone to court : the burden of proof is on you.

How comfortable is your seat? It must be pretty decent for you to sit there all day long, doubting people and calling them liars, while not doing anything to support your "theory".

You know what I eagerly await? ONE single FEer that can provide evidence that is as reasonnable and convincing as the one presented by REers. Because right now, between your distorted avatars and your out-of-date FAQ section that most of you don't even agree with, you don't have much to offer...

This is a clear example of the FEers choosing which evidence to believe.

There's a map of Antarctica? Well obviously it's fictional because it contradicts our theory that it's an ice wall. Have we seen the ice wall for ourselves to know that Antarctica is in fact, an ice wall? No, but this map and pictures from space are still fiction, and Antarctica is still an ice wall based on the assumption that the Earth is flat.

There's a map of the U.S.? Well obviously that's its real shape because I have no reason to believe it isn't since it doesn't contradict my home-brewed theory.

This is NOT an argument. Because i can simply reply "well how can you say for certain that it is NOT the shape of antarctica?".

I do not say for certain that it is not the shape of Antarctica. Please, tell me how you know that it is.

YOU are the one who is trying to disprove it all. YOU are the one who needs to do the goddam verification, since nobody else's word or proof is trustworthy enough for you to believe. Just like when you take someone to court : the burden of proof is on you.

Actually, you are the one who created this thread, presumably to prove a point. It would be nice if you provided some evidence for your outlandish claims if you want people to take the time to respond to them.

How comfortable is your seat? It must be pretty decent for you to sit there all day long, doubting people and calling them liars, while not doing anything to support your "theory".

The irony, it stings.

Have you got a map of Antartica in FE?

So far, I've seen 2 maps of FE and they differ a whole lot on Antartica.

Quote from: gnnmsf on September 28, 2011, 07:55:13 AM

This is NOT an argument. Because i can simply reply "well how can you say for certain that it is NOT the shape of antarctica?".

I do not say for certain that it is not the shape of Antarctica. Please, tell me how you know that it is.

Quote from: gnnmsf on September 29, 2011, 07:19:11 PM

YOU are the one who is trying to disprove it all. YOU are the one who needs to do the goddam verification, since nobody else's word or proof is trustworthy enough for you to believe. Just like when you take someone to court : the burden of proof is on you.

Actually, you are the one who created this thread, presumably to prove a point. It would be nice if you provided some evidence for your outlandish claims if you want people to take the time to respond to them.

Quote from: gnnmsf on September 29, 2011, 07:19:11 PM

How comfortable is your seat? It must be pretty decent for you to sit there all day long, doubting people and calling them liars, while not doing anything to support your "theory".

The irony, it stings.

I created a thread....in YOUR website, that YOU FEers created...presumably to prove a point. It would be nice if you provided some evidence for your outlandish claims.

See? we can do this all day. There are TONS of evidences out there that the earth is a sphere. You can choose to ignore them if you want, but that doesn't mean i have to show it to you again, and again, and again...

Funny how you also edit out the parts of my post that are convenient.

Again...give me the same amount of reasonnable and convincing evidence as the one REers are able to provide, and we can talk. Until then, nice avatars.

There's a whole thread where the FE'ers refuse to draw where the south pole is on their map.

This is a clear example of the FEers choosing which evidence to believe.

There's a map of Antarctica? Well obviously it's fictional because it contradicts our theory that it's an ice wall. Have we seen the ice wall for ourselves to know that Antarctica is in fact, an ice wall? No, but this map and pictures from space are still fiction, and Antarctica is still an ice wall based on the assumption that the Earth is flat.

There's a map of the U.S.? Well obviously that's its real shape because I have no reason to believe it isn't since it doesn't contradict my home-brewed theory.

I really don't understand how you think the existence of a map of anything proves anything.  Using your logic I can prove the existence of Tamriel:

I created a thread....in YOUR website, that YOU FEers created...presumably to prove a point. It would be nice if you provided some evidence for your outlandish claims.

See? we can do this all day. There are TONS of evidences out there that the earth is a sphere. You can choose to ignore them if you want, but that doesn't mean i have to show it to you again, and again, and again...

Funny how you also edit out the parts of my post that are convenient.

Again...give me the same amount of reasonnable and convincing evidence as the one REers are able to provide, and we can talk. Until then, nice avatars.

The beautiful thing about FET is that we don't need to provide evidence, as it's something anyone can confirm for himself by simply looking down.  As FET reflects what we all can observe for ourselves the impetus is indeed on the REers to prove it wrong.

You have yet to do so.

The beautiful thing about FET is that we don't need to provide evidence, as it's something anyone can confirm for himself by simply looking down.  As FET reflects what we all can observe for ourselves the impetus is indeed on the REers to prove it wrong.

You have yet to do so.

If you really believe that, you're either very very dumb, or you completely lack basic understanding of geometry and proportions.

Rest assured, you DO need evidence for ANY theory. As long as you don't understand that, you'll remain ignorant.

If you really believe that, you're either very very dumb, or you completely lack basic understanding of geometry and proportions.

Wrong.  Just because the Earth might, in theory, be spherical doesn't mean it is spherical.  I still observe the Earth to be flat.  It's up to you to prove that I'm wrong.

Rest assured, you DO need evidence for ANY theory.

Rest assured, the evidence exists for all to see.  Just look out your window.

Just because the Earth might, in theory, be spherical doesn't mean it is spherical.  I still observe the Earth to be flat.  It's up to you to prove that I'm wrong.

We have. For one, the flight times contradict every possible map of a flat Earth.

The way that Australia is squashed on that FE map with Antarctica as a continent isn't possible because of the angle the sun makes with the Northern and Southern end of the country at the same time of day and year. It's not possible to travel between Australia and South America on that map in the time it is actually achieved in reality, and no, the planes haven't been going 3x faster.

There are just so many problems with all the FE maps, coupled with all the problems shown elsewhere in other threads on this forum (ofcourse denying this is inevitable) that it's just too hard to even consider FET as a plausible theory.