# Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA

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#### Jack

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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2011, 03:26:22 PM »
What would happen if an infinite plane was below our disk?

Specifically, looking at work by scientists like Forward, lets suppose this infinite plane is made of exotic matter, namely that with negative mass.  Of course this is also assuming a level of gravitational shielding or bow shock effect around the surface of terra.  Looking at NASA's work concerning the diameteric drive with Forward (in BPPP) or simply by plugging in the appropriate math into Gauss's law we finally have a reasonable source for the acceleration of the Earth in the Cambridge model.
In the past, I thought about replacing Dark Energy with a negative mass as the source that drives the Earth's acceleration, as the negative mass can do so without requiring a tremendous amount of energy; however, I stumbled upon the problem with the acceleration of spherical celestial bodies and the Submoon. What would happen to the Submoon underneath the Earth? Should there be a negative mass as well near each celestial body to achieve parallel acceleration, if DE is not available? If not, how do the celestial bodies achieve such acceleration? Or should we accept Photoelectric Suspension Theory and treat the celestial bodies as metallic discs?

If the other plane is moving the Earth, what is moving the plane?
If I remember correctly, since a negative mass is attracted to a positive mass and said positive mass is repelled from said negative mass, the two masses can accelerate forever without requiring any additional sources of propulsion (if both masses are equally massive).

EDIT: made changes to one of the sentences.
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#### EmperorZhark

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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2011, 03:37:21 PM »
Have you got any proof (or even a hint or a hunch) of the existence of a Submoon (or Antimoon)?
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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2011, 09:53:21 PM »
What would happen if an infinite plane was below our disk?

Specifically, looking at work by scientists like Forward, lets suppose this infinite plane is made of exotic matter, namely that with negative mass.  Of course this is also assuming a level of gravitational shielding or bow shock effect around the surface of terra.  Looking at NASA's work concerning the diameteric drive with Forward (in BPPP) or simply by plugging in the appropriate math into Gauss's law we finally have a reasonable source for the acceleration of the Earth in the Cambridge model.
I actually thought about replacing Dark Energy with negative mass as the source that drives the Earth's acceleration without requiring tremendous amount of energy before during a debate on UA, but I stumbled upon the problem with the acceleration of spherical celestial bodies and the Submoon. What would happen to the Submoon underneath the Earth? Should there be a negative mass as well near each celestial body to achieve parallel acceleration, if DE is not available? If not, how do the celestial bodies achieve such acceleration? Or should we accept Photoelectric Suspension Theory and treat the celestial bodies as metallic discs?
Well, if the earth was made of layers in the Cambridge model of alternating positive negative, its possible the bowshock effect or gravitational shielding could happen both ways.  Most Cambridge modelers don't talk often of the subheavens however.
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#### John Davis

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2011, 09:54:22 PM »
Have you got any proof (or even a hint or a hunch) of the existence of a Submoon (or Antimoon)?
You can determine the existence of the submoon by careful study of tidal forces.  Specifically, the study of the tide would suffice.  The antimoon supposedly can be seen with the naked eye.
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#### EmperorZhark

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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2011, 01:19:14 AM »
So, you have no proof.

If it is seeable by a naked eye, ou could be able to provide a photo.
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#### John Davis

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2011, 06:10:33 AM »
So, you have no proof.

If it is seeable by a naked eye, ou could be able to provide a photo.
You can determine the existence of the submoon by the data available concerning tides.

I don't believe the antimoon is seeable by the naked eye.  Hence the "supposedly."
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#### markjo

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2011, 06:17:37 AM »
Have you got any proof (or even a hint or a hunch) of the existence of a Submoon (or Antimoon)?
You can determine the existence of the submoon by careful study of tidal forces.  Specifically, the study of the tide would suffice.  The antimoon supposedly can be seen with the naked eye.
Shouldn't there be measurable gravitational variations associated with the submoon as well?
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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2011, 06:26:50 AM »
Have you got any proof (or even a hint or a hunch) of the existence of a Submoon (or Antimoon)?
You can determine the existence of the submoon by careful study of tidal forces.  Specifically, the study of the tide would suffice.  The antimoon supposedly can be seen with the naked eye.
The antimoon supposedly can be seen with the naked eye.

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2011, 06:28:19 AM »
Have you got any proof (or even a hint or a hunch) of the existence of a Submoon (or Antimoon)?
You can determine the existence of the submoon by careful study of tidal forces.  Specifically, the study of the tide would suffice.  The antimoon supposedly can be seen with the naked eye.
The antimoon supposedly can be seen with the naked eye.
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#### pitdroidtech

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2011, 08:18:07 AM »
um, an infinite plane can't be a disk.  Yes yes I lurked moar.

So John, are you saying the earth is a disc not an infinite plane, but that it is being pushed along by the bowshock of an infinite plane?   Doesn't this just bring us back to the same point?
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#### John Davis

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2011, 08:21:55 AM »
I'm saying that if the Cambridge model holds, one explanation for the acceleration is an infinite plane of exotic matter.  This is true if terra is a plane or a disk.

However, I don't believe this.
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#### Crustinator

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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2011, 06:16:11 PM »
I'm saying that if the Cambridge model holds, one explanation for the acceleration is an infinite plane of exotic matter.  This is true if terra is a plane or a disk.

However, I don't believe this.

This thread is for discussing the Davis Plane. If you wish to tell us you do not believe in the Cambridge Model I suggest you start a new topic. I am not a moderator. Please consult a moderator before taking any action on or off the internet.

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#### pitdroidtech

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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2011, 07:17:52 PM »
I'm saying that if the Cambridge model holds, one explanation for the acceleration is an infinite plane of exotic matter.  This is true if terra is a plane or a disk.

However, I don't believe this.
Can you elucidate the cambridge model for me?  I tried searching - it's really quite useless.  I'd have to search possibly hundreds of threads before coming across a link or explanation.  Many thanks.
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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2011, 08:35:15 PM »
The Davis model features an infinite plane with terrestrial gravitation.

The Cambridge model features a finite disc (generally with acceleration replacing terrestrial gravitation).
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#### John Davis

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2011, 08:51:20 PM »
The Davis model features an infinite plane with terrestrial gravitation.

The Cambridge model features a finite disc (generally with acceleration replacing terrestrial gravitation).
Well James I believe was whose model it was originally named for, and I had thought he believed in an infinite earth, just no gravitation.
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#### Crustinator

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« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2011, 08:52:08 PM »
Correct John. Ski is confused with the Oxford model.

#### John Davis

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« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2011, 08:56:08 PM »
Correct John. Ski is confused with the Oxford model.
Amazing, that's how we got the name for the Cambridge model.
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#### Ski

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2011, 09:31:38 PM »
The Davis model features an infinite plane with terrestrial gravitation.

The Cambridge model features a finite disc (generally with acceleration replacing terrestrial gravitation).
Well James I believe was whose model it was originally named for, and I had thought he believed in an infinite earth, just no gravitation.
I'm fairly certain the Cambridge model was so named by James before his conversion to infinite plainism.
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#### John Davis

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #48 on: September 27, 2011, 09:57:59 PM »
The Davis model features an infinite plane with terrestrial gravitation.

The Cambridge model features a finite disc (generally with acceleration replacing terrestrial gravitation).
Well James I believe was whose model it was originally named for, and I had thought he believed in an infinite earth, just no gravitation.
I'm fairly certain the Cambridge model was so named by James before his conversion to infinite plainism.
Ah, you are indeed correct.
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#### James

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« Reply #49 on: September 27, 2011, 10:03:51 PM »
I never created the term "the Cambridge model". I have nothing to do with Cambridge. It was presumably applied to my work at a later date by my readers.
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#### Ski

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« Reply #50 on: September 27, 2011, 10:09:11 PM »
Apologies, I've always thought it was self-christened.
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#### John Davis

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #51 on: September 27, 2011, 10:12:11 PM »
Nah, thats what I meant by "Amazing, that's how we got the name for the Cambridge model."

I believe it was named that by a poster of this forum that was a RE opponent mocking the model, much like "The Big Bang."
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#### sandokhan

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« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2011, 01:27:32 AM »
Which one of the moderators deleted my post yesterday? Please come here in the open and state the reason for such behaviour.

Both the UA acceleration and the infinite earth hypotheses are science-fiction plots; the FES will never convince anyone the earth is flat, with these "theories"...and, furthermore, it shows the ignorance of the facts which have been discovered about gravity...

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1096437#msg1096437

The law of acceleration can be explained much more easily in the context of the aether theory:

http://www.rexresearch.com/brush/brush.htm

http://keelynet.com/gravity/grav7.txt

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1231580#msg1231580

And also:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38959.msg971069#msg971069

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38959.msg976795#msg976795

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#### John Davis

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##### Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2011, 07:08:27 AM »
Which one of the moderators deleted my post yesterday? Please come here in the open and state the reason for such behaviour.

Both the UA acceleration and the infinite earth hypotheses are science-fiction plots; the FES will never convince anyone the earth is flat, with these "theories"...and, furthermore, it shows the ignorance of the facts which have been discovered about gravity...

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1096437#msg1096437

The law of acceleration can be explained much more easily in the context of the aether theory:

http://www.rexresearch.com/brush/brush.htm

http://keelynet.com/gravity/grav7.txt

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1231580#msg1231580

And also:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38959.msg971069#msg971069

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38959.msg976795#msg976795
It was split because it had nothing to do with the thread. It was copy pasted off another site almost completely.
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#### sandokhan

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« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2011, 07:20:01 AM »
But in fact, it was directly related to this discussion...the link itself proves this...but it does not matter...

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1096437#msg1096437

The law of acceleration can be explained much more easily in the context of the aether theory:

http://www.rexresearch.com/brush/brush.htm

http://keelynet.com/gravity/grav7.txt

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1231580#msg1231580

And also:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38959.msg971069#msg971069

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38959.msg976795#msg976795

Things will really begin to move around here, once the inflated egos will give up the UA acceleration, and the infinite earth hypotheses...