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What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?

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What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« on: September 21, 2011, 09:10:41 AM »
We all know that objects fall down due to their weight.

But suppose the earth really was a whirling globe: Then an object falling from a height would in fact fall in a curved spiral, not down!
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 09:18:03 AM »
Indeed. And REers practically admit it themselves with their crazy toilet-flushing theories.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 09:56:43 AM »
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on September 21, 2011, 09:10:41 AM
We all know that objects fall down due to their weight.

But suppose the earth really was a whirling globe: Then an object falling from a height would in fact fall in a curved spiral, not down!

Not relative to the earth. The visible effect would be the same in both scenarios.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 10:15:33 AM »
next time ur in a car doing 70 or so mph drop a coin in front of you face a foot higher than your head. does it:
a, hit you in your face. or
b, land on your lap
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 12:39:12 PM »
There is some merit to the OP. In fact he is right that things should fall not in a straight line on a spinning spherical earth.

In fact things do not fall in straight lines on this earth. They fall in a very predictable and specific way according to round earth based physics. 2 simple examples are:
The Ccoriolis effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/coriolis_effect.html
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And the Foucault pendulum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum
http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/foucault_pendulum.html

These things are not possible on a flat earth as described by these forums. Merely dropping a ball in your driveway is not a large enough scale experiment to see firsthand. However Long range shooting or ballistic trajectories all have to account for these effects to make sure the end of the path falls where intended. I.e. planning for the curve that a rotating globular earth produces in the paths.

That looks like a RE victory to me.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 01:11:54 PM »
Quote from: three-dimensional-world on September 21, 2011, 09:10:41 AM
We all know that objects fall down due to their weight.

But suppose the earth really was a whirling globe: Then an object falling from a height would in fact fall in a curved spiral, not down!

If the object is being dropped independantly of the globe, you're right.  Now good luck finding a vehicle capable of flying as fast as the earth is spinning from which to drop your object and see it happening.  Otherwise, dropping it from standing on the surface of the earth, you're giving it some of the earth's momentum, and it stays with you, appearing to go straight down.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2011, 09:01:00 PM »
Well I guess no one here has ever heard of Inertia. When you are in a car and drop something, does it shoot back at 70mph?
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2011, 02:01:57 AM »
Quote from: squevil on September 21, 2011, 10:15:33 AM
next time ur in a car doing 70 or so mph drop a coin in front of you face a foot higher than your head. does it:
a, hit you in your face. or
b, land on your lap

B, See, I can use the shift button, unlike you.  When you drop the coin traveling at 70 mph, the coin is also traveling at 70 mph.  It is going the same speed as you.  There is no air resistance because the air in the car also has the same speed.  At the instant you drop it, it is traveling at the same speed you are traveling, and therefore it appears to fall straight down into your lap. 

Now, try the same experiment in a car with no windshield.  The coin will probably hit you in the face or chest. 

What does this prove?  Nothing really at all, other that things fall downwards, whether or not it is due to gravity or the earth acceleration theory or something else.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2011, 06:09:40 AM »
Quote from: jroa on September 23, 2011, 02:01:57 AM
Now, try the same experiment in a car with no windshield.  The coin will probably hit you in the face or chest. 

Since the atmosphere (more or less) travels at the same speed as the earth, the analogy holds.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2011, 09:30:30 AM »
Quote from: markjo on September 23, 2011, 06:09:40 AM
Quote from: jroa on September 23, 2011, 02:01:57 AM
Now, try the same experiment in a car with no windshield.  The coin will probably hit you in the face or chest. 

Since the atmosphere (more or less) travels at the same speed as the earth, the analogy holds.

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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2011, 12:20:13 PM »
Quote from: squevil on September 23, 2011, 09:30:30 AM
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2011, 12:00:46 AM »
 In the Northern Hemisphere, since you're travelling towards the East due to the Earth's rotation and don't change latitude, when you drop an object from a large height, the object will continue to travel in a path independent of the Earth's rotation (although the initial velocity is in the direction of the Earth's rotation) and as such it'll follow a great circle path, which is basically going the longest way around the Earth, encircling the entire globe. So yes, it will go into the Southern Hemisphere and to the person that dropped the object, it'll look as though the object deviates towards the South (to the right if you're looking East).

I don't know what the OP means by "it'll fall in a curved spiral". That's just not true, and clearly shows his lack of understanding of physics.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2011, 07:06:12 AM »
Quote from: Puttah on September 24, 2011, 12:00:46 AM
In the Northern Hemisphere, since you're travelling towards the East due to the Earth's rotation and don't change latitude, when you drop an object from a large height, the object will continue to travel in a path independent of the Earth's rotation (although the initial velocity is in the direction of the Earth's rotation) and as such it'll follow a great circle path, which is basically going the longest way around the Earth, encircling the entire globe. So yes, it will go into the Southern Hemisphere and to the person that dropped the object, it'll look as though the object deviates towards the South (to the right if you're looking East).

I don't know what the OP means by "it'll fall in a curved spiral". That's just not true, and clearly shows his lack of understanding of physics.
It's true if you observe from the rotating frame of reference of the earth.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2011, 08:02:34 AM »
Quote from: Nolhekh on September 24, 2011, 07:06:12 AM
It's true if you observe from the rotating frame of reference of the earth.

Yep, that reference frame was implied:
Quote from: Puttah on September 24, 2011, 12:00:46 AM
and to the person that dropped the object, it'll look as though the object deviates towards the South (to the right if you're looking East).
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2011, 08:29:47 AM »
So first, you say it's not true, and now you said it was implied in something you said?  I'm a bit confused.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2011, 09:26:52 AM »
It is true, the globularist is so confused in his wild theories that he does not even know what direction up is.

The Zetetic explanation of up:
Up is a single direction away from the surface of the Earth. Down is the opposite of up.

The Globularist explanation of up:
Up is the direction of the sky if the observer of up is at the top of the Earth, but that up becomes down if the observer is down at the bottom of the Earth, and what used to be down becomes his up, but the old up remains up for the upward observer, and the new up, which used to be down, remains down for the upward observer.

Which explanation makes more sense?
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2011, 10:28:15 AM »
Quote from: Nolhekh on September 24, 2011, 08:29:47 AM
So first, you say it's not true, and now you said it was implied in something you said?  I'm a bit confused.
Where did I say it's not true? From the frame of reference of the person that is dropping the object (thus his latitude is constant), the object will appear to bend given enough time of flight. The Coriolis effect basically.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2011, 01:17:29 PM »
Quote from: James on September 24, 2011, 09:26:52 AM
It is true, the globularist is so confused in his wild theories that he does not even know what direction up is.

The Zetetic explanation of up:
Up is a single direction away from the surface of the Earth. Down is the opposite of up.

The Globularist explanation of up:
Up is the direction of the sky if the observer of up is at the top of the Earth, but that up becomes down if the observer is down at the bottom of the Earth, and what used to be down becomes his up, but the old up remains up for the upward observer, and the new up, which used to be down, remains down for the upward observer.

Which explanation makes more sense?

The second explanation is thinly disguised planarist propaganda, pandering to the dogma of a Robothamite doctrine:   There is no "up" in space.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2011, 01:39:27 PM »
The Zetetic explanation for "up" is much more coherent than the Globularist explanation.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2011, 02:46:36 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on September 24, 2011, 01:39:27 PM
The Zetetic explanation for "up" is much more coherent than the Globularist explanation.

James wrote the globularist explanation on behalf of the globularists.  That's why it's incoherent.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2011, 04:26:52 PM »
Quote from: Puttah on September 24, 2011, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: Nolhekh on September 24, 2011, 08:29:47 AM
So first, you say it's not true, and now you said it was implied in something you said?  I'm a bit confused.
Where did I say it's not true?
Quote from: Puttah on September 24, 2011, 12:00:46 AM
I don't know what the OP means by "it'll fall in a curved spiral". That's just not true, and clearly shows his lack of understanding of physics.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2011, 04:27:49 PM »
Quote from: James on September 24, 2011, 09:26:52 AM
It is true, the globularist is so confused in his wild theories that he does not even know what direction up is.

The Zetetic explanation of up:
Up is a single direction away from the surface of the Earth. Down is the opposite of up.

The Globularist explanation of up:
Up is the direction of the sky if the observer of up is at the top of the Earth, but that up becomes down if the observer is down at the bottom of the Earth, and what used to be down becomes his up, but the old up remains up for the upward observer, and the new up, which used to be down, remains down for the upward observer.

Which explanation makes more sense?
The direction of up is not the issue here.  This whole post is irrelevent.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2011, 04:29:12 PM »
Quote from: Nolhekh on September 24, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: James on September 24, 2011, 09:26:52 AM
It is true, the globularist is so confused in his wild theories that he does not even know what direction up is.

The Zetetic explanation of up:
Up is a single direction away from the surface of the Earth. Down is the opposite of up.

The Globularist explanation of up:
Up is the direction of the sky if the observer of up is at the top of the Earth, but that up becomes down if the observer is down at the bottom of the Earth, and what used to be down becomes his up, but the old up remains up for the upward observer, and the new up, which used to be down, remains down for the upward observer.

Which explanation makes more sense?
The direction of up is not the issue here.  This whole post is irrelevent.
Okay. What's down?
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2011, 04:44:06 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on September 24, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: Nolhekh on September 24, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: James on September 24, 2011, 09:26:52 AM
It is true, the globularist is so confused in his wild theories that he does not even know what direction up is.

The Zetetic explanation of up:
Up is a single direction away from the surface of the Earth. Down is the opposite of up.

The Globularist explanation of up:
Up is the direction of the sky if the observer of up is at the top of the Earth, but that up becomes down if the observer is down at the bottom of the Earth, and what used to be down becomes his up, but the old up remains up for the upward observer, and the new up, which used to be down, remains down for the upward observer.

Which explanation makes more sense?
The direction of up is not the issue here.  This whole post is irrelevent.
Okay. What's down?
How is this any more relevant?
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2011, 06:04:16 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on September 24, 2011, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: Nolhekh on September 24, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: James on September 24, 2011, 09:26:52 AM
It is true, the globularist is so confused in his wild theories that he does not even know what direction up is.

The Zetetic explanation of up:
Up is a single direction away from the surface of the Earth. Down is the opposite of up.

The Globularist explanation of up:
Up is the direction of the sky if the observer of up is at the top of the Earth, but that up becomes down if the observer is down at the bottom of the Earth, and what used to be down becomes his up, but the old up remains up for the upward observer, and the new up, which used to be down, remains down for the upward observer.

Which explanation makes more sense?
The direction of up is not the issue here.  This whole post is irrelevent.
Okay. What's down?

Both "up" and "down" are completely relative to the point of view of the observer. If our point of reference is the earth's surface where I stand, my up is toward the sky, and in India it is toward the ground. Though we typically go with whatever direction gravity is pulling as "down". Its not exactly complicated, its all about reference point. Like when studying gravity in physics, east is default positive and west default negative, this reference can be changed if stated so.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2011, 07:16:28 PM »
Quote from: Nolhekh on September 24, 2011, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: Puttah on September 24, 2011, 10:28:15 AM
Quote from: Nolhekh on September 24, 2011, 08:29:47 AM
So first, you say it's not true, and now you said it was implied in something you said?  I'm a bit confused.
Where did I say it's not true?
Quote from: Puttah on September 24, 2011, 12:00:46 AM
I don't know what the OP means by "it'll fall in a curved spiral". That's just not true, and clearly shows his lack of understanding of physics.
Ahh that. I took "fall in a curved spiral" as the observer witnessing a path something like



Which is clearly wrong. And I'm also quite sure the OP created this thread thinking that it would be measurable over a short, arm's height distance.



lol those FE'ers... which way is up  :D
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2011, 05:35:11 AM »
Up is a universal constant. It is monodirectional. There is only one up.
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2011, 05:42:01 AM »
Quote from: James on September 26, 2011, 05:35:11 AM
Up is a universal constant. It is monodirectional. There is only one up.

You are right.  There is only one "up" direction, and that is the opposite direction of the Earth, no matter where on the Earth you are standing on a round or flat Earth.  Why does this bother you so much?
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Re: What direction would something fall, were it on a gravitational whirling globe?
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2011, 08:18:25 AM »
Quote from: James on September 26, 2011, 05:35:11 AM
Up is a universal constant. It is monodirectional. There is only one up.
A purely speculative statement made by a truly biased individual.
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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2011, 10:28:58 AM »
A more convincing thesis than your insane pan-up-ism.
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