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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2011, 04:03:10 PM »
Interesting. The question was asked on this page, less than 50 hours ago.
That's some incredibly poor memory you're demonstrating here, and it goes along with an extreme lack of will to scroll up and check.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2011, 04:18:49 PM »
So, where's the math behind bendy light?

Is is only the stellar light which bends?
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2011, 06:36:24 PM »
Quote from: EmperorZhark on October 15, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
So, where's the math behind bendy light?
The entire derivation is not complete, but here's a general idea: http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Electromagnetic_Accelerator

Quote from: EmperorZhark on October 15, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
Is is only the stellar light which bends?
No. All light bends.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2011, 06:44:39 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 15, 2011, 06:36:24 PM
Quote from: EmperorZhark on October 15, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
So, where's the math behind bendy light?
The entire derivation is not complete, but here's a general idea: http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Electromagnetic_Accelerator

Quote from: EmperorZhark on October 15, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
Is is only the stellar light which bends?
No. All light bends.

Do you know who has the entire derivation? Because the wiki says that this is a shortened version of the equation. Also, in any case, this equation would still cause the sun to cast a circle of light onto the earth.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2011, 06:59:34 PM »
I think that would be Parsifal.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2011, 07:01:59 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 15, 2011, 04:03:10 PM
Interesting. The question was asked on this page, less than 50 hours ago.
That's some incredibly poor memory you're demonstrating here, and it goes along with an extreme lack of will to scroll up and check.

Why would I bother to scroll up and check? Bendy light was disproved last year some time by the look of it, and you're still using it in your arguments. If we were having some sort of worthwhile debate then I'd scroll back and check, this is just you trolling and me getting rapidly more disinterested in bothering to get the can of troll-be-gone out. All you have left to offer in this thread is put-downs, re-use of disproved theories and semantics. Other people provide much more enjoyable troll baiting opportunities than you're managing here. Come up with something new and try thinking of a new theory or something. Your recycling of disproved claptrap is dull and predictable.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2011, 08:27:52 PM »
EA does not account for the horizontal displacement of the sun and moon which would be necessary with the UN-style flat earth.  Which makes me wonder which geometric FE model it applies to.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2011, 12:09:54 AM »
Quote from: The Knowledge on October 15, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
Why would I bother to scroll up and check? Bendy light[...]
I'm sure your incorrect claims regarding gravitation have a lot to do with Electromagnetic Acceleration. Interesting attempt at misdirection, though.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2011, 02:55:20 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 16, 2011, 12:09:54 AM
Quote from: The Knowledge on October 15, 2011, 07:01:59 PM
Why would I bother to scroll up and check? Bendy light[...]
I'm sure your incorrect claims regarding gravitation have a lot to do with Electromagnetic Acceleration.

Sorry, does this post mean something?  ???
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2011, 03:00:21 AM »
Pizza Planet loves dithering and attacking others...
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2011, 09:19:56 PM »
Quote from: The Knowledge on October 16, 2011, 02:55:20 AM
Sorry, does this post mean something?  ???
Yes.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #71 on: October 18, 2011, 07:02:45 AM »
Could someone explain:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Electromagnetic_Accelerator

And tell me if this equation explains if it can explain the fact that wherever you are the Sun and the Moon always look the same.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #72 on: October 18, 2011, 07:24:32 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 10, 2011, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: jroa on September 21, 2011, 11:01:57 AM
the people who believe in the round earth never change their theories
I guess that's exactly why you guys have no working model of gravitation and are actively pursuing a new one.
This is a most telling show of total ignorance about science. A model is what you need to make predictions, which, if verified through experiments and observations, is the basis for a theory. And we are full of verified predictions with both Newton's model and Einstein's model of gravitation.

If you want to decry all of modern science you can at least learn what the scientific method is. Whether you like gravitons and space-time or not, they are not there for your amusement, they are there to make predictions and therefore qualify perfectly as working models.

What you really want to see is not called a working model, it is called a layman's explanation, the kind that makes you say "wow, now I understand!".
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #73 on: October 18, 2011, 08:43:49 AM »
Quote from: trig on October 18, 2011, 07:24:32 AM
And we are full of verified predictions with both Newton's model and Einstein's model of gravitation.
You're also full of verified counter-examples, as linked before. By what you just said, this disproves the two models as scientific facts, theories and models. I guess you don't have a model, after all.

Quote from: EmperorZhark on October 18, 2011, 07:02:45 AM
tell me if this equation explains if it can explain the fact that wherever you are the Sun and the Moon always look the same.
The only model (that I know of) that considers the Sun and Moon to be discs is the McIntyre model. That model does not accept EAT.
In other words, no.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #74 on: October 18, 2011, 08:52:09 AM »
Could someone explain:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Electromagnetic_Accelerator

And tell me if this equation explains if it can explain the fact that wherever you are the Sun and the Moon always look the same.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2011, 06:07:39 PM »
Quote from: EmperorZhark on October 15, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
So, where's the math behind bendy light?

Is is only the stellar light which bends?
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2011, 09:51:27 PM »
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If bendy light exists, what bends it? 

If it is the atmosphere that bends the light why isn't laser light affected equally? 

If bendy light exists, Rowbotham would have never seen the ship in the distance in his experiments as the light from the ship would have bent away before reaching him.

If bendy light exists then light that never reaches the ground but bends back into space would allow someone in a plane to look at the ground and see the sun.

That's why we prefer the explanation of atmospheric distortion.

So I ask again why isn't laser light affected?

It is.

Why isn't it affected enough to match what would be predicted from an extreme distortion such as would be required for bendy light?
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2011, 09:53:39 PM »
Quote from: kaimason1 on October 18, 2011, 09:51:27 PM
Why isn't it affected enough to match what would be predicted from an extreme distortion such as would be required for bendy light?
This question does not apply. It's like saying "Why is a chair not a chair?"
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2011, 10:02:55 PM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 18, 2011, 09:53:39 PM
Quote from: kaimason1 on October 18, 2011, 09:51:27 PM
Why isn't it affected enough to match what would be predicted from an extreme distortion such as would be required for bendy light?
This question does not apply. It's like saying "Why is a chair not a chair?"
How does it not apply? LASER LIGHT IS NOT BENDED ENOUGH BY GRAVITATIONAL DISTORTION TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HORIZON. How do you account for this? I am definitely not saying "Why does bendy light work if light isn't bendy?", because light CAN be distorted or bent by gravitational pull. However, there is not enough distortion to create such an effect as FE's "bendy light" theory.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #79 on: October 18, 2011, 11:55:37 PM »
Quote from: kaimason1 on October 18, 2011, 10:02:55 PM
LASER LIGHT IS NOT BENDED ENOUGH [...] TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HORIZON.
LASER LIGHT IS BENDED ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HORIZON.

Quote from: kaimason1 on October 18, 2011, 10:02:55 PM
BY GRAVITATIONAL DISTORTION
Luckily, no one here claims that it's caused by gravitational distortion.

Quote from: kaimason1 on October 18, 2011, 10:02:55 PM
I am definitely not saying "Why does bendy light work if light isn't bendy?"
Essentially, you are.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2011, 05:52:29 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 18, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
LASER LIGHT IS BENDED ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR THE HORIZON.

Laser light is bent to a significant degree? I always through that wouldn't work, as the light in a laser is bounced between a mirror and a half-silvered mirror hundreds of times. If there was any significant force acting on the light, the beam would be smeared in one direction when it comes out of the laser.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #81 on: October 22, 2011, 05:49:29 AM »
Quote from: NTheGreat on October 19, 2011, 05:52:29 AM
Laser light is bent to a significant degree?
No, it's not.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #82 on: October 22, 2011, 07:34:39 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 05:49:29 AM
Quote from: NTheGreat on October 19, 2011, 05:52:29 AM
Laser light is bent to a significant degree?
No, it's not.

If it can make the sun, which would be at least 3000 miles above the ground appear to be on the ground at sunset or sunrise, then I'd say that's significant.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #83 on: October 22, 2011, 07:44:21 AM »
Quote from: Nolhekh on October 22, 2011, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 05:49:29 AM
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Laser light is bent to a significant degree?
No, it's not.

If it can make the sun, which would be at least 3000 miles above the ground appear to be on the ground at sunset or sunrise, then I'd say that's significant.
The sun is a laser?  ???
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #84 on: October 22, 2011, 07:45:41 AM »
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Quote from: Nolhekh on October 22, 2011, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 22, 2011, 05:49:29 AM
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Laser light is bent to a significant degree?
No, it's not.

If it can make the sun, which would be at least 3000 miles above the ground appear to be on the ground at sunset or sunrise, then I'd say that's significant.
The sun is a laser?  ???
Bendy light in general I mean.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #85 on: October 22, 2011, 09:55:21 PM »
I'm gonna call circular reasoning on that. Round Earth explains the same phenomenon much more simply, and so by Occam's Razor would be correct in this scenario; with other evidence, that could be ruled out, but you've got none, and we've got evidence against yours.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #86 on: October 23, 2011, 09:17:25 AM »
Quote from: Nolhekh on October 22, 2011, 07:34:39 AM
If it can make the sun, which would be at least 3000 miles above the ground appear to be on the ground at sunset or sunrise, then I'd say that's significant.
But that's perspective, not EAT ???
Also, you can simply achieve such effects by just tilting the laser a tiny bit on RE. Unless you can align your laser well enough for the beam to travel 3000 miles with no displacement and prove that the laser was held perfectly horizontally, you don't have much of a case.

Quote from: kaimason1 on October 22, 2011, 09:55:21 PM
we've got evidence against yours.
That's what you say, but no one ever presents this mystical evidence. :'(
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2011, 10:36:55 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 23, 2011, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: Nolhekh on October 22, 2011, 07:34:39 AM
If it can make the sun, which would be at least 3000 miles above the ground appear to be on the ground at sunset or sunrise, then I'd say that's significant.
But that's perspective, not EAT ???
Perspective would cause the sun and moon to maintain an angular distance from the ground proportional to their angular size.  This doesn't happen.
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Also, you can simply achieve such effects by just tilting the laser a tiny bit on RE. Unless you can align your laser well enough for the beam to travel 3000 miles with no displacement and prove that the laser was held perfectly horizontally, you don't have much of a case.
  I can't say I'm following you very well here.
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2011, 11:57:48 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 23, 2011, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: Nolhekh on October 22, 2011, 07:34:39 AM
If it can make the sun, which would be at least 3000 miles above the ground appear to be on the ground at sunset or sunrise, then I'd say that's significant.
But that's perspective, not EAT ???

Perspective would make the sun appear 26.5° above the horizon at sunset.
(Not sure what "sunset" is called in FET though, as it can't really "set" 26° above the horizon... "Sunvanish" ?)
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Re: The problems with bendy light
« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2011, 02:22:50 PM »
Quote from: Zogg on October 23, 2011, 11:57:48 AM
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on October 23, 2011, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: Nolhekh on October 22, 2011, 07:34:39 AM
If it can make the sun, which would be at least 3000 miles above the ground appear to be on the ground at sunset or sunrise, then I'd say that's significant.
But that's perspective, not EAT ???

Perspective would make the sun appear 26.5° above the horizon at sunset.
(Not sure what "sunset" is called in FET though, as it can't really "set" 26° above the horizon... "Sunvanish" ?)

Read Earth Not a Globe. Rowbotham describes the correct laws of perspective. The perspective taught in art school is incorrect.
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