Engineers in on conspiracy too?

My friends Dad was a bridge engineer for 35 years.  He worked on the bridge in LA,  the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway.   He said they did in fact had to account for the curvature of of the earth.   He said any long bridge HAS to account for it.   So is he in on the "conspiracy" too? 

This picture shows the curvature of the earth. 

Lol, there is a wave in the way on your picture. The earth does not curve by a foot to cover the bodies of people just 20 yards in front of you.

As for the bridge, I had a surveyor insist that bridges didn't take earth's curvature into account last month. You guys need to get your story straight.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49849.msg1224486#msg1224486

A surveyor?  Really?  How many weeks did he go to school?  You don't even need a high school education to be a surveyor.  This guy has an engineering degree from the University of Michigan, and his masters degree from Cornell University and over 30 years experience.   

As far as the picture,  it wasn't mine.  It was taken from this site.  It might be an interesting read,  but I have a feeling most FErs are closed minded to any kind of evidence.   This guy is probably in on the conspiracy too.  I'm beginning to think I'm the only one that isn't in on it. 

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/06/how-to-estimate-the-radius-of-the-earth-with-a-lake/

It is an imprecise way to measure it because the Earth's terrain is rugged and non-uniform. If you were to use calculations of curvature, you would be assuming the Earth is completely smooth, which it isn't.

And did you read the link he provided? The email was not just from some random surveyor, it was from the general manager and bridgemaster from a legitimate bridge building company.

And did you read the link he provided? The email was not just from some random surveyor, it was from the general manager and bridgemaster from a legitimate bridge building company.

I didn't see anywhere in that email that the curvature of the earth was not taken into account during the design and construction of that bridge.  The perpendicularity of the towers is not the only aspect that must allow for the earth's curvature.

I think you have had a few turns at arguing about the Humber bridge by now Markjo. Maybe you should leave it for someone new?
I am able to use the search function and already know your opinion. Maybe someone else might argue it better than you do?

This picture shows the curvature of the earth. 

Brilliant use of a picture to show that relative altitude and obstructions at distance produce the "sinking ship" effect, and not the curvature of the earth. Thank you.

There is no evidence of this, unfortunately, it is merely a theoretical
and, I have been told, rather inprecise calculation.

Yours sincerely

Peter Hill
General Manager & Bridgemaster

Humber Bridge Board
Ferriby Road
Hessle
East Yorkshire
HU13 0JG

Lovely.

Lol, there is a wave in the way on your picture. The earth does not curve by a foot to cover the bodies of people just 20 yards in front of you.

As for the bridge, I had a surveyor insist that bridges didn't take earth's curvature into account last month. You guys need to get your story straight.
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49849.msg1224486#msg1224486

yes thork is right...
that's because of wave....
curvature of the earht if we see above 10 km is because the earth is a circle on a disc plane

Yeah, and the waves are so big, that if you rise another 10m you could see more objects behind the waves! and if you rise 100m then more objects appear from behind the "waves".

Yeah, and the waves are so big, that if you rise another 10m you could see more objects behind the waves! and if you rise 100m then more objects appear from behind the "waves".

You are in danger of looking very foolish if you persist.

only silly people saying the earth is round...
they no learn before, to saying the earth is round
false curriculum in the school...
very mislead

You are in danger of looking very foolish if you persist.

On the contrary, no matter what I say in this forum, I have about 7 billion people backing me up, that I'm probably smarter than any flatearther.
Not that public opinion means anything, but I couldn't resist saying it, after you told me I'm in danger of looking foolish.

only ask the expert to the fields 

My friends Dad was a bridge engineer for 35 years.  He worked on the bridge in LA,  the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway.   He said they did in fact had to account for the curvature of of the earth.   He said any long bridge HAS to account for it.   So is he in on the "conspiracy" too? 

This picture shows the curvature of the earth. 

No it doesn't. If the curvature of the earth obscured people very close to your location, the earth would be very small indeed.

Quote from: Thork on September 11, 2011, 02:58:48 AM

You are in danger of looking very foolish if you persist.

On the contrary, no matter what I say in this forum, I have about 7 billion people backing me up, that I'm probably smarter than any flatearther.
Not that public opinion means anything, but I couldn't resist saying it, after you told me I'm in danger of looking foolish.

And of course, now you look even more foolish. Keep going. Lets see how far our opinion of you can fall.

And of course, now you look even more foolish. Keep going. Lets see how far our opinion of you can fall.

I wonder if i should care, but i really don't care what anyone thinks of me, as long as he says that earth is flat. It is a good forum to practice debating, but I'm convinced that no one here really believes in flat earth.

The thing is, that the physics and other sciences here debated are at high school level. The FE model does not add up from any side, and different parts of it contradict with each other and other trivial knowledge, and none of your theories support your other theories, i won't even say anything about the math, which wouldn't add up. You just throw away theories you don't like, and accept theories you do like, without realizing, that they all form one bigger theory which cannot be taken a part without breaking all the theories. For example, you can't throw away gravity and assume that physics still work on earth. You can't throw away geology and think that plate tectonics don't give a s**t if the earth is round or flat. You can't throw away astronomy and assume that geology still stays intact. They are all connected. Don't you think that mathematical calculations would have shown in every single science that round earth does not add up, and there is something else there?

Quote from: Thork on September 11, 2011, 06:34:35 AM

And of course, now you look even more foolish. Keep going. Lets see how far our opinion of you can fall.

I wonder if i should care, but i really don't care what anyone thinks of me, as long as he says that earth is flat. It is a good forum to practice debating, but I'm convinced that no one here really believes in flat earth.

The thing is, that the physics and other sciences here debated are at high school level. The FE model does not add up from any side, and different parts of it contradict with each other and other trivial knowledge, and none of your theories support your other theories, i won't even say anything about the math, which wouldn't add up. You just throw away theories you don't like, and accept theories you do like, without realizing, that they all form one bigger theory which cannot be taken a part without breaking all the theories. For example, you can't throw away gravity and assume that physics still work on earth. You can't throw away geology and think that plate tectonics don't give a s**t if the earth is round or flat. Don't you think that mathematical calculations would have shown in every single science that round earth does not add up, and there is something else there?

Your conclusion in flawed.

This is a good opportunity for OP to pause and take thought to consider that FEers opinion of her/him is more important than you think.

The claim of bridge engineering proving RET can only achieve failure if pursued. By listening to and learning from FEers you will understand why we try to provide you with Earth shape reality.   

"why we try to provide you with Earth shape reality.    "

You are not a scientist and do not understand half the reality, so stop providing.

but I'm convinced that no one here really believes in flat earth.

You have come to a site called "The Flat Earth Society". Seemingly to your utter amazement, here you have found people who support the idea that the earth is flat. Rather than acknowledge that this was the most probable outcome of visiting a flat earth society, for some reason you refuse to believe anyone in this flat earth society believes that the earth is flat.

that I'm probably smarter than any flatearther.

Your powers of deduction have not convinced me of this.

"Seemingly to your utter amazement, here you have found people who support the idea that the earth is flat."

You wouldn't believe people are serious when you'd find community that supports the idea that Santa Claus is actually living in the North Pole and visiting every home in the Christmas night, would you?

"Your powers of deduction have not convinced me of this."

I wouldn't assume you'd understand, but the civilization's scientific success proves me right.

You wouldn't believe people are serious when you'd find community that supports the idea that Santa Claus is actually living in the North Pole and visiting every home in the Christmas night, would you?

So you are on our side? Below is a link to a US government agency that promotes the myth that Santa delivers presents each year. Despite FEs insistence that the conspirators lie to the public, this goes on every year.
http://www.noradsanta.org/
This lie isn't aimed at adults. Its aimed at fooling children. Manipulating them from an early age so they swallow other fantasies like men walking on the moon, when they are older.

Info on NORAD and their festive lies below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NORAD_Tracks_Santa

Yeah, horrible, HORRIBLE!

I bet they are also lying about the Easter Bunny.
Making children think about some bullcrap, which later turns out to be a lie, makes them only more resistant to any bullcrap in the future.

But you still think a couple of guys played golf on the moon, right? It seems resistance is futile, for the spongy-minded.

Quote from: Thork on September 11, 2011, 06:34:35 AM

And of course, now you look even more foolish. Keep going. Lets see how far our opinion of you can fall.

I wonder if i should care, but i really don't care what anyone thinks of me, as long as he says that earth is flat. It is a good forum to practice debating, but I'm convinced that no one here really believes in flat earth.

The thing is, that the physics and other sciences here debated are at high school level. The FE model does not add up from any side, and different parts of it contradict with each other and other trivial knowledge, and none of your theories support your other theories, i won't even say anything about the math, which wouldn't add up. You just throw away theories you don't like, and accept theories you do like, without realizing, that they all form one bigger theory which cannot be taken a part without breaking all the theories. For example, you can't throw away gravity and assume that physics still work on earth. You can't throw away geology and think that plate tectonics don't give a s**t if the earth is round or flat. You can't throw away astronomy and assume that geology still stays intact. They are all connected. Don't you think that mathematical calculations would have shown in every single science that round earth does not add up, and there is something else there?

i believe 100% the earth is flat, and static
no doubt about it

lesson in school sometimes wrong..like darwin theory, solar system, history,

in the holy book it say the earth is flat. and to be static, the sun orbiting the earth

"why we try to provide you with Earth shape reality.    "

You are not a scientist and do not understand half the reality, so stop providing.

somewhile science is false religion
see the holy book because never goes wrong, from the word of the god.

if there are 2 different opinion that debate, returning to the holy book

there are answer there,

i believe 100% the earth is flat, and static
no doubt about it

lesson in school sometimes wrong..like darwin theory, solar system, history,

in the holy book it say the earth is flat. and to be static, the sun orbiting the earth

Might I remind you that we have a religion section below. The upper fora are not a soap-box for religious fanaticism. Your views are not representative of the society as a whole and it is disingenuous that you would present them in that way.

somewhile science is false religion
see the holy book because never goes wrong, from the word of the god.

if there are 2 different opinion that debate, returning to the holy book

there are answer there,

I'm not even sure how I should reply to a person who believes in god. No matter what I say, you can always say that god did it, because he is almighty and he can.
Congratulations, you have all the answers. Now you can donate your brain.

I'm not even sure how I should reply to a person who believes in RE. No matter what I say, you can always say that gravity/a bendy, for some reason rectangular extra dimension did it, because it just did that.
Congratulations, you have all the answers. Now you can donate your brain.

See? Pretty much the same argument right there.

I have no idea what you were just trying to imply. What is bendy? And denying gravity was what i used to bring up as the most ignorant example, that i could think of, when debating with creationists about evolution. Now I'm just stumped, because i can't think of anything more ignorant than flat earth, disc sun or denial of gravity. Really... nothing comes to mind.