How does GPS work if no satellites?

I have 3 GPS units,  all made by different companies,  marine on my boat,   in my car,  and a hand held used for hiking.   If there are no satellites,  how do all GPS units,  tell the person EXACTLY where they are in the world within 10 feet?  The marine unit tells me the depth of the water,  and where all the channels are...within 5 feet.  And as soon as I take the antenna off,  it doesn't work.  As soon as I go under a bridge....IT DOESN'T WORK.  So,  tell me how it works.  Also,  depending on the time of day,  it will tell you which of the several satellites you are linked with....and will give you a signal of each one.  I've had up to 5 or 6 linked at once,  and the more that are linked,  the better it will give your position. 

And another question.  If there is no gravity....how does the sun and moon stay in the air?   Why haven't we ran into it if the earth is accelerating upwards.  You'd think we would have hit the sun by now.  What holds it up there? 

Also,  why doesn't the ice fall of the edge?  If the ice holds the water in....what holds the ice on the edge?  Why doesn't it fall off too? 

 

How did Loran work with no satellites?

Pseudollites are stationed around the disk, and your position is triangulated from these beacons.

I picked satellites. Please do not expect answers to multiple questions in a thread. It makes them jump all over the place as people answer different parts..

wait......FA's dont believe in satellites??

Pseudollites---I love all these made up words you guys have.   Please show me a picture of the "supposed" pseudollites.  Why doesn't it work when I'm under a bridge?  Why is it when I'm in my Chevy Avalanche,  and I'm under a tree,  Onstar can't pick out my location....but as soon as I move out from under the tree....they can.   

im still lost....FA's dont believe in satellites???

why not?

even if the earth was flat(which its not) you can still have satellites

wait......FA's dont believe in satellites??

Nope,  if they could some how get a high powered telescope and look at it...they'd assume it was a hologram or something. 

wait......FA's dont believe in satellites??

Orbit is not possible, as earth is not round. I would have thought that fairly obvious.

Pseudollites---I love all these made up words you guys have.   

Made up words.

Why doesn't it work when I'm under a bridge?

Why doesn't your car radio work when you are under a bridge?

  Why is it when I'm in my Chevy Avalanche,  and I'm under a tree,  Onstar can't pick out my location....but as soon as I move out from under the tree....they can.   

Again, bad reception from the radio signals.

im still lost....FA's dont believe in satellites???

why not?

even if the earth was flat(which its not) you can still have satellites

No,  because satellites orbit the earth.  Depending on how far they are from the surface,  their speed is increased.  Geosynchronous orbit is where Dish Network, and DirectTV satellites are.  The distance matches the orbit so it is stationary.   Funny how if my Dish Network dish moves 1cm and it loses signal.   Bet they don't have an answer for that one. 

Quote from: alex00 on September 09, 2011, 10:54:32 AM

wait......FA's dont believe in satellites??

Orbit is not possible, as earth is not round. I would have thought that fairly obvious.

Quote from: sf876 on September 09, 2011, 10:56:52 AM

Pseudollites---I love all these made up words you guys have.   

Made up words.

Quote from: sf876 on September 09, 2011, 10:56:52 AM

Why doesn't it work when I'm under a bridge?

Why doesn't your car radio work when you are under a bridge?

Quote from: sf876 on September 09, 2011, 10:56:52 AM

  Why is it when I'm in my Chevy Avalanche,  and I'm under a tree,  Onstar can't pick out my location....but as soon as I move out from under the tree....they can.   

Again, bad reception from the radio signals.

What kind of radio do you have?  My radio ALWAYS works under a bridge.   It has NEVER gone out under a bridge.  I installed audio equipment in cars back in the 90's...and even those radios didn't fade under bridges.   Satellite radio however....Does not.  But regular FM/AM...works fine under any bridge in the world. 

so let me get this straight......sputnik the Russian first ever satellite is non existent?

why would they want to make that up?

so let me get this straight......sputnik the Russian first ever satellite is non existent?

why would they want to make that up?

To win the space race.

What kind of radio do you have?  My radio ALWAYS works under a bridge.   It has NEVER gone out under a bridge.  I installed audio equipment in cars back in the 90's...and even those radios didn't fade under bridges.   Satellite radio however....Does not.  But regular FM/AM...works fine under any bridge in the world. 

Then your GPS receiver is not as good quality as your car radio.

Quote from: alex00 on September 09, 2011, 11:17:09 AM

so let me get this straight......sputnik the Russian first ever satellite is non existent?

why would they want to make that up?

To win the space race.

Quote from: sf876 on September 09, 2011, 11:06:55 AM

What kind of radio do you have?  My radio ALWAYS works under a bridge.   It has NEVER gone out under a bridge.  I installed audio equipment in cars back in the 90's...and even those radios didn't fade under bridges.   Satellite radio however....Does not.  But regular FM/AM...works fine under any bridge in the world. 

Then your GPS receiver is not as good quality as your car radio.

That did not win them the first space race, putting the first man in space did.

Sputnik was made to take pictures of the US

Sputnik made the Gagarin story more plausible. And yes. The space race was really a photoshop/film studio type technology race. To control the media, is to control the world. Its worth winning.

Sputnik made the Gagarin story more plausible. And yes. The space race was really a photoshop/film studio type technology race. Controlling the media is to control the world.

what now your saying the Russians never sent the first man to space?

You need to go back to reading up on this site. I shouldn't have to do this much spoon feeding.

You need to go back to reading up on this site. I shouldn't have to do this much spoon feeding.

The FA theory is stupid I swear, how do yo8u believe in this crap.

I still stand by MY THEORY. you guys actually dont, just addicted debaters who live for this crap

The fact you keep calling it FA in every thread is stupid. It is FE. As in Flat Earth!.

I still stand by MY THEORY. You are an internet troll who has never been near a MiG-25, but it hasn't stopped you insisting you have.

The fact you keep calling it FA in every thread is stupid. It is FE. As in Flat Earth!.

I still stand by my theory. You are an internet troll who has never been near a MiG-25, but it hasn't stopped you insisting you have.

I have been far more than just near a Mig-25, I been inside and took off and landed so suck it

Quote from: Thork on September 09, 2011, 11:34:56 AM

The fact you keep calling it FA in every thread is stupid. It is FE. As in Flat Earth!.

I still stand by my theory. You are an internet troll who has never been near a MiG-25, but it hasn't stopped you insisting you have.

I have been far more than just near a Mig-25, I been inside and took off and landed so suck it

Of course you have.

Quote from: alex00 on September 09, 2011, 11:36:11 AM

Quote from: Thork on September 09, 2011, 11:34:56 AM

The fact you keep calling it FA in every thread is stupid. It is FE. As in Flat Earth!.

I still stand by my theory. You are an internet troll who has never been near a MiG-25, but it hasn't stopped you insisting you have.

I have been far more than just near a Mig-25, I been inside and took off and landed so suck it

Of course you have.

thanks for agreeing comrade

my boat

Off topic, but what kind of boat do you have?


And for your question about the Sun and Moon staying up:

This is answered best by the Aetheric Wind model (referred to by Mrs. Peach as Tausami Tsunami). In this model, aether, a form of matter not unlike gas or water but, due to high kinetic energy, is not effected by van der Waals forces and is incredibly fluid, with a viscosity of near zero. The aether is moving at ~9.81 m/s² into the vacuum of infinity, comparable to the RE'er's universal expansion. The Earth moves up in the direction of the infinite vacuum. As the aether moves past the Earth, however, it leaves a vacuum and falls back down in a whirlpool to get rid of it. The Sun and Moon travel on the edge of this whirlpool, but cannot fall down it because when the aether reaches the center of the whirlpool, it shoots back up. In addition, the Sun and Moon need less to hold them up, because they are smaller (imagine a ceramic cup. Now imagine a ceramic cup the size of a house. Which will need stronger winds to be moved?).

Orbit is not possible, as earth is not round. I would have thought that fairly obvious.

Orbit may not be possible, but sustained spaceflight is.  I would have thought that fairly obvious.   

Orbit is not possible, as earth is not round. I would have thought that fairly obvious.

It is in the AW model, however. I'll have to put some thought into the conspiracy.

Quote from: Thork on September 09, 2011, 11:01:13 AM

Orbit is not possible, as earth is not round. I would have thought that fairly obvious.

It is in the AW model, however. I'll have to put some thought into the conspiracy.

What's an AW model?

What's an AW model?

An attractive female that holds rootbeer for promotional advertisements.

the FAQQERS are good at inventing things with no evidence. (How Zetetic of them)
They claim space travel is impossible, something like you would hit this massive space wall (sound familiar)

The ONLY reason they claim this is if any kind of space travel is possible it debunks the vast majority of their claims.


Space travel is very possible, even in a disc earth.

Quote from: Part of the Problem on September 09, 2011, 04:26:30 PM

What's an AW model?

An attractive female that holds rootbeer for promotional advertisements.

Notice the image of the globe at the bottom of this ad-vertisement, complete with children from all over the world (including continents not even depicted). There is something disturbingly sinister in that image.

Quote from: alex00 on September 09, 2011, 11:17:09 AM

so let me get this straight......sputnik the Russian first ever satellite is non existent?

why would they want to make that up?

To win the space race.

Quote from: sf876 on September 09, 2011, 11:06:55 AM

What kind of radio do you have?  My radio ALWAYS works under a bridge.   It has NEVER gone out under a bridge.  I installed audio equipment in cars back in the 90's...and even those radios didn't fade under bridges.   Satellite radio however....Does not.  But regular FM/AM...works fine under any bridge in the world. 

Then your GPS receiver is not as good quality as your car radio.

NO,  you're gonna have to do better than that.   I used a bridge as an example.   A tree,  a building,  a sheet of wood held over the antenna.....WILL BLOCK IT.  Even on my $4500 Raymarine unit for my boat.   A radio however,  is NOT blocked.   

Also,  how is it that my Dish Network dish....pointed at the southern sky,  loses signal if I knock it off 1mm.   Anyone in the US cannot receive signal unless they have a view of the southern SKY.   Funny how when you point the dish....everyone in the US points it in the same direction....TO A SATELLITE!!!   If you don't believe me....go tap someones dish and see if they don't come out to see what hit it.   Radio signals do not behave that way. 

This is a map of earth.


Around the edge (south) you will notice an ice wall. This is a place where few people can go. The psuedollites are arranged around the ice in a circle around earth allowing triangulation. This is why your dish must point the shortest distance towards South for TV etc.

As for reception problems, these are all down to a cheap and poor quality receiver. GPS radio waves are no different to any other radio waves. They can be obstructed and blocked. You should not be so tight when making consumer choices.

This is a map of earth.


Around the edge (south) you will notice an ice wall. This is a place where few people can go. The psuedollites are arranged around the ice in a circle around earth allowing triangulation. This is why your dish must point the shortest distance towards South for TV etc.

As for reception problems, these are all down to a cheap and poor quality receiver. GPS radio waves are no different to any other radio waves. They can be obstructed and blocked. You should not be so tight when making consumer choices.

I shouldn't be so tight on my purchase?  I have a 36ft Sea Ray Sundancer,  appraised at over $160k.   The Raymarine unit was over $4,000.    So if the GPS unit is in fact radio waves,  how does it know my location?   My radio,  that does NOT lose reception under a bridge doesn't know if I'm in the water or on land.  But the GPS does lose reception if it blocked for the sky above.   Radio waves CANNOT give a location.  GPS units however....can,  because it doesn't detect radio waves.