Is this for real

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Is this for real
« on: August 16, 2011, 07:24:51 PM »
Never would I have thought such stupidity could exist on such a large scale.  Save up some money and travel around the world and prove yourself wrong.  Why would all other planets be spherical and not ours.  If you believe the world is flat you really need to have a word with yourself.  Can someone who believes this nonsense give me your best evidence? 

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 09:56:43 PM »
How about submitting yours.
For whatever reason you allow Clocktower to derail any thread Archibald posts in.

Re: Is this for real
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 10:23:32 PM »
Why would all other planets be spherical and not ours.

Why should the shape of celestial bodies have any bearing on, or connection to, the shape of the Earth?  It sounds like you are making some major assumptions.  It appears that you are assuming the Earth to be in the same category as the celestial bodies that we call “planets”.  But there is no evidence to support such an assumption.  Show me an elephant on Mars, then maybe we can consider the possibility that Mars and Earth are in the same category.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 10:24:48 PM »
Why would all other planets be spherical and not ours.

Why should the shape of celestial bodies have any bearing on, or connection to, the shape of the Earth?  It sounds like you are making some major assumptions.  It appears that you are assuming the Earth to be in the same category as the celestial bodies that we call “planets”.  But there is no evidence to support such an assumption.  Show me an elephant on Mars, then maybe we can consider the possibility that Mars and Earth are in the same category.

I actually it takes a major leap of religious faith to dismiss the concept of the earth being a planet. 
Gather round my gentle sheep, I have a wonderful spherical story for you

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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 11:17:42 PM »
Why would all other planets be spherical and not ours.

Why should the shape of celestial bodies have any bearing on, or connection to, the shape of the Earth?  It sounds like you are making some major assumptions.  It appears that you are assuming the Earth to be in the same category as the celestial bodies that we call “planets”.  But there is no evidence to support such an assumption.  Show me an elephant on Mars, then maybe we can consider the possibility that Mars and Earth are in the same category.

I actually it takes a major leap of religious faith to dismiss the concept of the earth being a planet. 


Let’s throw out the word ‘planet’, unless you want to make this a debate about semantics.  Or, if you’d like to make this a debate about semantics, we could call the Earth a ‘planet’, and then say that Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, etc. have not been proved to be planets.  In that respect, I would agree that the Earth is a planet.

I do believe in a creator of some kind.  Don’t you? 

In fact, realizing that real science supports the idea of a flat stationary Earth has strengthened my belief in a creator.


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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2011, 11:23:33 PM »
You are right.  God loves you.  Your soul lived in heaven before you were born.  Then he sent you down here to live in a chemically and hormonally driven body.

Your body is created with many defects, including your mind.  Your ability to make decisions is hampered by your chemical, hormonal, physical, and parentally taught defects.  During your incredibly short life on this earth, you are judged, and punished for all of eternity if you do anything "wrong"

Sounds more like a test that would be made by an angry little man, with terrible mental issues.
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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 11:25:46 PM »
Never would I have thought such stupidity could exist on such a large scale.  Save up some money and travel around the world and prove yourself wrong.  Why would all other planets be spherical and not ours.  If you believe the world is flat you really need to have a word with yourself.  Can someone who believes this nonsense give me your best evidence?
Clearly you haven't read the FAQ.  Asking yourself why the other planets are spherical and not ours is like asking why do some animals have 4 legs and others 2.
Also, NASA would have you believe that not all planets and moon are round, some are oblong shaped and slightly flattened!
Why do we fall back to earth? Because our weight pushes us down, no laws, no gravity pulling us. It is the law of intelligence.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2011, 06:05:46 AM »
Also, NASA would have you believe that not all planets and moon are round, some are oblong shaped and slightly flattened!

In complete accordance with known laws of physics, including gravity, which is known to exist now that UA has been disproved due to variations in accelerative force in different places around the world. Thank you for backing up the RE side.
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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2011, 06:50:32 AM »
Also, NASA would have you believe that not all planets and moon are round, some are oblong shaped and slightly flattened!

In complete accordance with known laws of physics, including gravity, which is known to exist now that UA has been disproved due to variations in accelerative force in different places around the world. Thank you for backing up the RE side.
I never said I believed it. NASA claims many things I don't believe.
Why do we fall back to earth? Because our weight pushes us down, no laws, no gravity pulling us. It is the law of intelligence.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2011, 07:12:42 AM »
Also, NASA would have you believe that not all planets and moon are round, some are oblong shaped and slightly flattened!

In complete accordance with known laws of physics, including gravity, which is known to exist now that UA has been disproved due to variations in accelerative force in different places around the world. Thank you for backing up the RE side.
I never said I believed it. NASA claims many things I don't believe.
Who said that science = nasa?
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

Re: Is this for real
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2011, 07:59:10 AM »
Never would I have thought such stupidity could exist on such a large scale.  Save up some money and travel around the world and prove yourself wrong.  Why would all other planets be spherical and not ours.  If you believe the world is flat you really need to have a word with yourself.  Can someone who believes this nonsense give me your best evidence?
Clearly you haven't read the FAQ.  Asking yourself why the other planets are spherical and not ours is like asking why do some animals have 4 legs and others 2.
Also, NASA would have you believe that not all planets and moon are round, some are oblong shaped and slightly flattened!

I dont get your point I think our planet is a globe as are all the others, you people are actually serious right.  wow just wow.

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2011, 08:00:53 AM »
You are right.  God loves you.  Your soul lived in heaven before you were born.  Then he sent you down here to live in a chemically and hormonally driven body.

Your body is created with many defects, including your mind.  Your ability to make decisions is hampered by your chemical, hormonal, physical, and parentally taught defects.  During your incredibly short life on this earth, you are judged, and punished for all of eternity if you do anything "wrong"

Sounds more like a test that would be made by an angry little man, with terrible mental issues.

Did I miss something, what exactly are you going on about?

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2011, 08:13:37 AM »
Take your time and read the thread from top to bottom and you should be able to understand.
For whatever reason you allow Clocktower to derail any thread Archibald posts in.

Re: Is this for real
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2011, 09:28:45 AM »
Donohue, it's sad but true, these select few people still believe and adamantly argue that the earth is flat, even with all the scientific advancements and truths we know today. They specialize in concocting global conspiracies with no other motive than money and they have their own fundamental Christian scientists twist experiments in their favor. They are masters at not answering scientific questions, but come back with ambiguous questions of their own. They denounce any discoveries by the actual scientific community consisting of millions and continue to believe that the earth is the center of it all, and a flat disk of all things. they take the literal truth of the bible as their proof. it's quite sad, i feel like if they were put in a plane/space shuttle and flew high enough to see the curvature of the earth, they would still think it's a conspiracy, that the government put video screens in the windows to fool people. IT"S MADNESS. and quite entertaining to say the least. I come here to get some laughs out and practice my debate skills with these stubborn fools. Love all you FEers! don't ever change, God still loves you and your blind faith!

-UNIVERSE (we are not at the center of it)

Re: Is this for real
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2011, 09:49:30 AM »
Massive scale? Hardly,
Dozens yes,
most others are FAQQERS, who make up things and call it evidence, even though easily debunked (these are the Non-zetetics)

And then there is the trolls, here for just an arguement.

this makes up 99% of this society.

then there are the true bleivers like James, Davis, and MAster Lord Willmore.

I suggest you look up these 3 posts, they truly have a handle on the Zetetic approach, and you will find yourself questioning what shape the earth really is.


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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2011, 09:53:52 AM »
Donohue, it's sad but true, these select few people still believe and adamantly argue that the earth is flat, even with all the scientific advancements and truths we know today. They specialize in concocting global conspiracies with no other motive than money and they have their own fundamental Christian scientists twist experiments in their favor. They are masters at not answering scientific questions, but come back with ambiguous questions of their own. They denounce any discoveries by the actual scientific community consisting of millions and continue to believe that the earth is the center of it all, and a flat disk of all things. they take the literal truth of the bible as their proof. it's quite sad, i feel like if they were put in a plane/space shuttle and flew high enough to see the curvature of the earth, they would still think it's a conspiracy, that the government put video screens in the windows to fool people. IT"S MADNESS. and quite entertaining to say the least. I come here to get some laughs out and practice my debate skills with these stubborn fools. Love all you FEers! don't ever change, God still loves you and your blind faith!

-UNIVERSE (we are not at the center of it)
Yes, you have made a fair amount of sweeping statements but you only have 7 posts.
Let me correct you on a few of these wild accusations. The first is that you will find most of the FErs on this site are Atheist, Deist at worst. There is no marauding God-squad here telling people the bible said so.
Traditional flat earth theories were based on the teachings of the church for the obvious reason that the literate in society were church leaders. Most peasants couldn't read texts for themselves.
However not since Voliva and Dowie has the flat earth society taken its conclusions from religious texts. Our reasoning is based upon zetetic science. Do yourself a favour. Read ENaG.

Secondly why Christian? The Chinese had main-stream flat earth theories, right up until the 17th century. Just because you know the bible suggested a flat earth does not mean it is the reason for the modern flat earth society.

-UNIVERSE (we are not at the center of it)
Well that would very much depend on your perspective wouldn't it? The theory of general relativity, says that all physical phenomena can be described and explained self-consistently in any frame of reference. What you deem to be the arbitrary centre of the universe is no better that what I deem it to be, nor does it change the physical properties of earth. It is just an exercise of semantics.

RErs are usually lazy, but if you make the effort to read this, you will see how puerile your dismissal was.

Quote from: http://www.black-holes.org/relativity1.html
Fundamentally, though, it doesn't matter if we find the Earth-centered system complicated; it still works. The fact that it is hard to use doesn't make it wrong. We could even go so far as to say that, in this sense, the planets do revolve around the Earth, and not the Sun! Of course, we immediately realize that any statement like this, whether Earth-centered or Sun-centered, is irrelevant. Deciding which bodies revolve around which is just a matter of viewpoint. From the Sun's viewpoint, everything is revolving around it. From the our viewpoint on the Earth, we might as well say that everything is revolving around us. The crucial point is that Nature doesn't care what viewpoint we take; it just goes on revolving like it always has. This problem caused—and continues to cause—great confusion among physicists. Einstein's great insight was to realize that it's all relative.
Are you smarter than Einstein?

Re: Is this for real
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2011, 09:59:38 AM »
i believe more in santa claus than a flat earth. ya'll are so silly. I can list all the obvious things that people have been trying to convince you about the round earth here, like the ship sails away and goes down into the horizon, during an eclipse the earths shadow is cast on the moon and its spherical, pictures from space satellites...thousands of them, and FEers always reply back with, look at this post, read the FAQ, it's all a conspiracy started 600 years ago and still held up today so the top dozen people at NASA can profit from government funding.

100% Pure Ignorance.

good thing it's not too many of you who believe this, you're just a tiny bunch of sad individuals who for whatever personal or religious reason deny the obvious truth. the earth is round, no concocted lie can convince me otherwise, just like all the truth in the world won't convince you. sad really, but again, god still loves you, for you have blind faith. horseblinders if you will.

-UNIVERSE

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2011, 10:32:08 AM »
Skeleton, I know you think you're protecting people who come to FES from bad information, but just read donohue100 and universe's posts.  They have no idea why the earth is round besides the pictures they've seen. By coming here they might actually learn something.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: Is this for real
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2011, 10:35:15 AM »
...for you have blind faith. horseblinders if you will.

On the contrary; I believe in a flat Earth for scientific reasons.  Rowbotham proved that the Earth is not spherical in the 1800's through a variety of repeatable experiments.  My guess is that you haven’t bothered to read Rowbotham’s ENaG. 

Your belief that the Earth is round is a faith based belief.  It is certainly not a science based belief.  You have faith in junk "science".

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2011, 12:19:57 PM »
Skeleton, I know you think you're protecting people who come to FES from bad information, but just read donohue100 and universe's posts.  They have no idea why the earth is round besides the pictures they've seen. By coming here they might actually learn something.

They might learn sometging, true, but are hindered by being fed lies by the trolls, such as:
"Rowbotham proved that the Earth is not spherical in the 1800's through a variety of repeatable experiments."
"Our reasoning is based upon zetetic science."
"real science supports the idea of a flat stationary Earth"
 - and those are just some samples from this tiny thread.

However, Spacecowgirl might notice that Im not really interceding to help donohue and universe here much. I dont have much time for those who just come in and go "lolwhut ur crazy!!!" without looking at the scientific aspects.
If the ultimate objective is to kill Skeleton, we should just do that next.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2011, 12:37:44 PM »
Rowbotham proved that the Earth is not spherical in the 1800's through a variety of repeatable experiments.  My guess is that you haven’t bothered to read Rowbotham’s ENaG. 
If you believe that because Rowbotham allegedly did some experiments that are not verified since and because of that the earth is not round then you really just have a blind faith. And my guess is that you also haven't really read the ENaG.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2011, 01:29:02 PM by zork »
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2011, 01:05:20 PM »
Skeleton, I know you think you're protecting people who come to FES from bad information, but just read donohue100 and universe's posts.  They have no idea why the earth is round besides the pictures they've seen. By coming here they might actually learn something.

They might learn sometging, true, but are hindered by being fed lies by the trolls, such as:
"Rowbotham proved that the Earth is not spherical in the 1800's through a variety of repeatable experiments."
"Our reasoning is based upon zetetic science."
"real science supports the idea of a flat stationary Earth"
 - and those are just some samples from this tiny thread.

However, Spacecowgirl might notice that Im not really interceding to help donohue and universe here much. I dont have much time for those who just come in and go "lolwhut ur crazy!!!" without looking at the scientific aspects.

They're only hindered by their own laziness. No one comes here and automatically believes the things they read.

Also, the members of this forum who argue for FE aren't trolls. The people who come here and constantly call FE'ers trolls, are the trolls.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2011, 01:47:43 PM »
...and furthermore

It's not a good thing to be forever comfortable in one's thinking because it's also the thinking of the majority.  That's a stagnation, however cushy, that also leads to brain rot.  Just sayin'.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2011, 02:03:18 PM »
...and furthermore

It's not a good thing to be forever comfortable in one's thinking because it's also the thinking of the majority.  That's a stagnation, however cushy, that also leads to brain rot.  Just sayin'.
How is it not a good thing? If person lives comfortably then how can you say that it is not good for him/her. And furthermore... It's not a good thing to take one thing and just cling on it just for the sake of clinging on it. It leads to close mindedness and limited thinking. Just sayin'.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2011, 02:14:49 PM »
...just cling on it just for the sake of clinging on it. ...

^ Here's where you started to go wrong.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2011, 03:15:19 PM »


Also, the members of this forum who argue for FE aren't trolls. The people who come here and constantly call FE'ers trolls, are the trolls.

I consider trolls to be those who deliberately misrepresent themselves as believers whilst simultaneously making statements to stretch credibility to bursting point (James, John Davis - examples are moonshramps, floating metal discs, infinite earth, BOAT OF FECKING DINOSAURS) in order to see what those who dont know them will "swallow"; those who deliberately hinder scientific debate by emission of faecal chaff in the form of nitpicking, sidetracking and semantics (Parsifal, Verrine et al, the majority) and those who deliberately try to stop scientific discussion in its tracks by blank denial of provable facts (Thork, Pizza Plant, Bishop).
All tactics rarely indulged in by REers and used every day by the permatrolls.
If the ultimate objective is to kill Skeleton, we should just do that next.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2011, 03:36:00 PM »
I actually it takes a major leap of religious faith to dismiss the concept of the earth being a planet.
It also takes a major leap of religious faith to dismiss the concept of my cat being a dog. However, despite being an atheist I choose to believe that my cat is, in fact, not a dog.
hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2011, 03:40:29 PM »
...and furthermore

It's not a good thing to be forever comfortable in one's thinking because it's also the thinking of the majority.  That's a stagnation, however cushy, that also leads to brain rot.  Just sayin'.
How is it not a good thing? If person lives comfortably then how can you say that it is not good for him/her. And furthermore... It's not a good thing to take one thing and just cling on it just for the sake of clinging on it. It leads to close mindedness and limited thinking. Just sayin'.

Should a person remain comfortable in their way of thinking (cling on it, remain close minded) or should they not?
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2011, 03:54:06 PM »


Also, the members of this forum who argue for FE aren't trolls. The people who come here and constantly call FE'ers trolls, are the trolls.

I consider trolls to be those who deliberately misrepresent themselves as believers whilst simultaneously making statements to stretch credibility to bursting point (James, John Davis - examples are moonshramps, floating metal discs, infinite earth, BOAT OF FECKING DINOSAURS) in order to see what those who dont know them will "swallow"; those who deliberately hinder scientific debate by emission of faecal chaff in the form of nitpicking, sidetracking and semantics (Parsifal, Verrine et al, the majority) and those who deliberately try to stop scientific discussion in its tracks by blank denial of provable facts (Thork, Pizza Plant, Bishop).
All tactics rarely indulged in by REers and used every day by the permatrolls.

It doesn't matter what you consider trolls to be, this isn't your forum. Taking on the role of devil's advocate is not deemed trolling at FES. Neither James nor John Davis came up with moonshramps, and I'm pretty sure dinosaurs in boats was meant to be funny. I don't know why you'd think everyone but James gets to joke around a bit. Thork does his best to argue the FE side.  I don't pay much attention to the others you seem to have problems with. 
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Is this for real
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2011, 04:08:10 PM »


Also, the members of this forum who argue for FE aren't trolls. The people who come here and constantly call FE'ers trolls, are the trolls.

I consider trolls to be those who deliberately misrepresent themselves as believers whilst simultaneously making statements to stretch credibility to bursting point (James, John Davis - examples are moonshramps, floating metal discs, infinite earth, BOAT OF FECKING DINOSAURS) in order to see what those who dont know them will "swallow"; those who deliberately hinder scientific debate by emission of faecal chaff in the form of nitpicking, sidetracking and semantics (Parsifal, Verrine et al, the majority) and those who deliberately try to stop scientific discussion in its tracks by blank denial of provable facts (Thork, Pizza Plant, Bishop).
All tactics rarely indulged in by REers and used every day by the permatrolls.

It doesn't matter what you consider trolls to be, this isn't your forum. Taking on the role of devil's advocate is not deemed trolling at FES. Neither James nor John Davis came up with moonshramps, and I'm pretty sure dinosaurs in boats was meant to be funny. I don't know why you'd think everyone but James gets to joke around a bit. Thork does his best to argue the FE side.  I don't pay much attention to the others you seem to have problems with.

I'm a registered forum member, I may speak here. Sinking to the "We have more right to speak" argument does you no credit.
I dont give a damn what YOU consider trolls to be, I'm saying what I think they are, and my definition is probably pretty close to what Joe Public would think too. Saying "indulging in baiting, derailment and deliberate obfuscation through semantics isnt trolling" doesnt make it true any more than saying "the earth is flat" makes it true.
The original mention of "shrimp like bacteria" I had believed was pitched by James, who said he had empirical knowledge of them, which he then said came to him in a dream. Same with the Dinoboat nonsense. I have had threads moved to RM for less. Making joke threads is discouraged in the upper fora (supposedly, but clearly dependent on who you are).
If the ultimate objective is to kill Skeleton, we should just do that next.