Persieds Meteor shower

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Persieds Meteor shower
« on: August 12, 2011, 11:06:43 PM »
Ah, tonight and tomorrow night are the peak nights of the persied meteor shower. I'll be camping out tonight and be watching meteors after midnight.

Anyways, I thought of FE. I searched and found some topics on the subject of meteor showers, but no FE explanation. So, I thought to give it another shot. FE, explain the following two points.
1) Why do certain meteor showers, like the persieds, occur 365 days apart all the time?
2) Why is the meteor/hour rate greatest from midnight to dawn?

In RE, the answers are trivial:
A comet leaves dust behind it, so there is a constant dust stream in the same location that the earth moves through:
1) Since this dust stream is from a comet path which is constant, the earth will pass through it once a year (365 days).
2) Since dawn is always at the "front" of the earth, in terms of the earth's movement around the sun, the meteors are most visible after midnight and the shower is best right before dawn while it is dark enough to still see the meteors.

So, FE, what's up with the annual meteor showers?

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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 11:38:53 PM »
Ah, tonight and tomorrow night are the peak nights of the persied meteor shower. I'll be camping out tonight and be watching meteors after midnight.

Anyways, I thought of FE. I searched and found some topics on the subject of meteor showers, but no FE explanation. So, I thought to give it another shot. FE, explain the following two points.
1) Why do certain meteor showers, like the persieds, occur 365 days apart all the time?
2) Why is the meteor/hour rate greatest from midnight to dawn?

1) Meteors, in my opinion, are simply stellar ejecta.
2) Because it is easier to see meteors (and stars for that matter) when the night sky is darkest.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2011, 11:42:51 AM »
Ah, tonight and tomorrow night are the peak nights of the persied meteor shower. I'll be camping out tonight and be watching meteors after midnight.

Anyways, I thought of FE. I searched and found some topics on the subject of meteor showers, but no FE explanation. So, I thought to give it another shot. FE, explain the following two points.
1) Why do certain meteor showers, like the persieds, occur 365 days apart all the time?
2) Why is the meteor/hour rate greatest from midnight to dawn?

1) Meteors, in my opinion, are simply stellar ejecta.
2) Because it is easier to see meteors (and stars for that matter) when the night sky is darkest.


Well, I saw a few, but clouds rolled in and obscured most of the sky.

1) Ok, now explain the periodicity.
2) Night is as dark before midnight as after. Anyways, all meteors in the shower seem to radiate from a point due to perspective. This point, in all meteor showers (I've checked the major ones online, and know from experience), is always at their zenith close to dawn, never at any other time of the day. Why is there this asymmetry according to FE?

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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2011, 12:25:00 PM »
Periodicity may be the result of recurrent stellar novae. If the ejecta is directly above the observer it will, of course,  be closer and more visible.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2011, 01:50:27 PM »
Periodicity may be the result of recurrent stellar novae. If the ejecta is directly above the observer it will, of course,  be closer and more visible.

ITT: Ski knows nothing at all about astronomy.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2011, 02:08:53 PM »
if the Earth (as with everything above it)is accelerating at 9.8 m/sec objects from space can never hit the Earth (even is "cast off" from planets or stars they would still accelerate upwards), otherwise Universal Acceleration would be false.

Could it be possible these flashes out light are cause by our sun? Since it never really sets its possible that due to unknown phenomonon, flashes of our sun can be seen?


Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2011, 02:32:56 PM »
if the Earth (as with everything above it)is accelerating at 9.8 m/sec objects from space can never hit the Earth (even is "cast off" from planets or stars they would still accelerate upwards), otherwise Universal Acceleration would be false.

Could it be possible these flashes out light are cause by our sun? Since it never really sets its possible that due to unknown phenomonon, flashes of our sun can be seen?

What about Meteorites?  We get plenty of small ones falling to earth, as well as the occasional big beastie...
The Gulf of Mexico, 65 million years ago is quite a nice example!
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2011, 03:36:38 PM »
if the Earth (as with everything above it)is accelerating at 9.8 m/sec objects from space can never hit the Earth (even is "cast off" from planets or stars they would still accelerate upwards), otherwise Universal Acceleration would be false.

UA has been proved false by variations in strength of gravity in different places on earth, something that is utterly impossible with UA. Just accept it doesnt exist, OK?
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2011, 03:46:53 PM »
if the Earth (as with everything above it)is accelerating at 9.8 m/sec objects from space can never hit the Earth (even is "cast off" from planets or stars they would still accelerate upwards), otherwise Universal Acceleration would be false.

Of course the particles are being accelerated "upwards" at 9.8 m/s/s. This acceleration does not preclude a net velocity or net acceleration "downwards".
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2011, 05:22:07 PM »
Periodicity may be the result of recurrent stellar novae. If the ejecta is directly above the observer it will, of course,  be closer and more visible.

So, for at least 2000 years (data from China), the SAME STAR has gone supernova every 365 days?
And there is no bright point in the sky like a regular supernova?
And similar supernova always follow the same periodicity?
And the zenith for these supernova always occurs at dawn?

I think your idea needs a lot of revising, starting with the shape of the earth and knowledge of astronomy.

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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2011, 05:29:35 PM »
If the sun is only 3000 miles away, Im sure we can estimate its size and mass.

What percent of its total volume do these meteors entail?  What mechanism causes them to eject?
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2011, 06:22:42 PM »

Of course the particles are being accelerated "upwards" at 9.8 m/s/s. This acceleration does not preclude a net velocity or net acceleration "downwards".

Ski will reconcile this statement of upwards acceleration at 9.8m/s/s with the fact that it varies between 9.78m/s/s and 9.832m/s/s, a variation of about 0.5%, depending on where you are. I have popcorn to eat while I watch him flail about explaining how different bits of his flat plane are moving at different speeds.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2011, 02:16:20 AM »
If the sun is only 3000 miles away, Im sure we can estimate its size and mass.

What percent of its total volume do these meteors entail?  What mechanism causes them to eject?

And what causes them to hold significantly different compositions than the sun itself?  And, then, why do meteorites themselves have different properties and compositions (Iron, Stony, Chondrite, and so on...)?
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2011, 08:25:30 AM »
Modern science suggests that meteors are rocks which fall from the Moon, the Antimoon and the other celestial bodies.  Be very careful observing meteor showers; I do not know why anyone would want to take a shower under a cascade of falling rocks but I can assure you it is very dangerous.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2011, 08:34:53 AM »
Modern science suggests that meteors are rocks which fall from the Moon, the Antimoon and the other celestial bodies.  Be very careful observing meteor showers; I do not know why anyone would want to take a shower under a cascade of falling rocks but I can assure you it is very dangerous.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2011, 08:46:56 AM »
I do not know why anyone would want to take a shower under a cascade of falling rocks but I can assure you it is very dangerous.

How many documented cases are there of anyone ever being hit by a meteor?  I can assure you that the number is very small.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2011, 09:04:58 AM »
I do not know why anyone would want to take a shower under a cascade of falling rocks but I can assure you it is very dangerous.

How many documented cases are there of anyone ever being hit by a meteor?  I can assure you that the number is very small.

IIRC, I think it is one injury to the arm and one death of a dog. No humans have been killed that are documented.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2011, 09:14:51 AM »
I do not know why anyone would want to take a shower under a cascade of falling rocks but I can assure you it is very dangerous.

How many documented cases are there of anyone ever being hit by a meteor?  I can assure you that the number is very small.

IIRC, I think it is one injury to the arm and one death of a dog. No humans have been killed that are documented.

Thank you for your unsupported and laughable guess regarding whether or not people have been killed by meteors.  I'm sure a quick google search would reveal that you're absolutely wrong.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2011, 09:20:18 AM »
I do not know why anyone would want to take a shower under a cascade of falling rocks but I can assure you it is very dangerous.

How many documented cases are there of anyone ever being hit by a meteor?  I can assure you that the number is very small.

IIRC, I think it is one injury to the arm and one death of a dog. No humans have been killed that are documented.

Thank you for your unsupported and laughable guess regarding whether or not people have been killed by meteors.  I'm sure a quick google search would reveal that you're absolutely wrong.

Actually, a quick google search reveals that he is not far off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite#Meteorites_in_history
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There are several reported instances of falling meteorites having killed both people and livestock, but a few of these appear more credible than others. The most infamous reported fatality from a meteorite impact is that of an Egyptian dog that was killed in 1911, although this report is highly disputed. This particular meteorite fall was identified in the 1980s as Martian in origin. However, there is substantial evidence that the meteorite known as Valera hit and killed a cow upon impact, nearly dividing the animal in two, and similar unsubstantiated reports of a horse being struck and killed by a stone of the New Concord fall also abound. Throughout history, many first and second-hand reports of meteorites falling on and killing both humans and other animals abound, but none have been well documented.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2011, 09:35:55 AM »
It does not take a genius, to discover that a cascade of rocks falling from the sky is a danger to life and limb.  If you run about in the open air and let your pets play amongst the falling rocks, I would not be surprised if you undergo a serious accident!
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2011, 09:37:39 AM »
It does not take a genius, to discover that a cascade of rocks falling from the sky is a danger to life and limb.  If you run about in the open air and let your pets play amongst the falling rocks, I would not be surprised if you undergo a serious accident!
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2011, 09:39:30 AM »
Do you have any evidence for your outlandish claims?
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2011, 09:47:27 AM »
I do not know why anyone would want to take a shower under a cascade of falling rocks but I can assure you it is very dangerous.

How many documented cases are there of anyone ever being hit by a meteor?  I can assure you that the number is very small.

IIRC, I think it is one injury to the arm and one death of a dog. No humans have been killed that are documented.

Thank you for your unsupported and laughable guess regarding whether or not people have been killed by meteors.  I'm sure a quick google search would reveal that you're absolutely wrong.

Actually, a quick google search reveals that he is not far off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite#Meteorites_in_history
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There are several reported instances of falling meteorites having killed both people and livestock, but a few of these appear more credible than others. The most infamous reported fatality from a meteorite impact is that of an Egyptian dog that was killed in 1911, although this report is highly disputed. This particular meteorite fall was identified in the 1980s as Martian in origin. However, there is substantial evidence that the meteorite known as Valera hit and killed a cow upon impact, nearly dividing the animal in two, and similar unsubstantiated reports of a horse being struck and killed by a stone of the New Concord fall also abound. Throughout history, many first and second-hand reports of meteorites falling on and killing both humans and other animals abound, but none have been well documented.

Rebuttal:
http://www.dba-oracle.com/news_meteor_strikes_may_hit_people.htm
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2011, 10:41:41 AM »
It does not take a genius, to discover that a cascade of rocks falling from the sky is a danger to life and limb.  If you run about in the open air and let your pets play amongst the falling rocks, I would not be surprised if you undergo a serious accident!

Then you have no documented evidence that anyone has ever been killed by meteors.  Thanks for clearing that up, James.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2011, 10:56:50 AM »
Then you have no documented evidence that anyone has ever been killed by meteors.  Thanks for clearing that up, James.
It's okay, I've found some:
http://www.oberlin.edu/faculty/bsimonso/group9.htm
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2011, 11:06:26 AM »
So, for at least 2000 years (data from China), the SAME STAR has gone supernova every 365 days?

Not a supernova; but perhaps novae. And recurrent novae are not unheard of.


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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2011, 11:07:11 AM »
Then you have no documented evidence that anyone has ever been killed by meteors.  Thanks for clearing that up, James.
It's okay, I've found some:
http://www.oberlin.edu/faculty/bsimonso/group9.htm

Shhh!!!  James is supposed to be doing the research.  >:(

Even if there are a few documented cases, I still have a far better chance of hitting the PowerBall jackpot than getting hit by a meteor.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2011, 11:09:02 AM »
Even if there are a few documented cases, I still have a far better chance of hitting the PowerBall jackpot than getting hit by a meteor.
Apparently, your chances of getting hit killed by a meteor are higher than those of dying in a terrorist attack. I saw a source for that a while ago, let's see if I can find it again.

EDIT: Ah, there we go: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/13/death-by-meteorite/
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2011, 11:56:57 AM »
Periodicity may be the result of recurrent stellar novae. If the ejecta is directly above the observer it will, of course,  be closer and more visible.

So, for at least 2000 years (data from China), the SAME STAR has gone supernova every 365 days?
And there is no bright point in the sky like a regular supernova?
And similar supernova always follow the same periodicity?
And the zenith for these supernova always occurs at dawn?

I think your idea needs a lot of revising, starting with the shape of the earth and knowledge of astronomy.
In the light of James answer I cant hold on but have to speculate in same seriousness that maybe the 365 days are the mating period of stars and so they ejaculate and their ejecta reaches the earth. Stars are living organisms you know. And there is thousands of them. Unfortunately the ejecta from couple hundred or so only reaches the earth and the most powerful ones make the great meteor showers.
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Re: Persieds Meteor shower
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2011, 05:53:25 PM »
Do you have any evidence for your outlandish claims?
I have not been bit by falling rocks, even during a meteor shower.


Do you not teach that we should obsesrve our surroundings and come to our conclusions based on that?  If the Earth looks flat, it is flat.  Is that not what FET is about?
So if I observe that I, nor many others have been injured by meteor showers, surely that is conclusive evidence, based on the Zenticism, that meteor showers are not dangerous.
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