How did the FE form like a pancake?

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How did the FE form like a pancake?
« on: August 10, 2011, 06:20:11 AM »
Well, how did it form in such an un natural shape? When the particals that made the earth came together, why did the edges build up so much more then the top and bottom? Im sure it was a small pancake before it reached this size, what stopped the material from landing on the top and bottom?
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2011, 06:50:53 AM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET? Why is the universe planar in RET? I would argue flat is not an unnatural shape. It appears often in nature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

As many FErs don't believe gravity is what keeps us on the ground, why would the earth be round? Its been pushed from behind for billions of years by DE colliding with space debris (far more at the formation of the solar system when there was lots of dust and debris floating about before it settled). It was probably squashed flat by UA and space impacts, before it cooled.

And did the FE form like a pancake? Mixing bowl, flour and eggs? Not likely.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 07:25:29 AM by Thork »

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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2011, 07:03:55 AM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET?

Because of the rotation of the nebular material at the time of the formation of the solar system.  However, since the FE does not rotate, your question is irrelevant and off topic.
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2011, 08:49:32 AM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET? Why is the universe planar in RET? I would argue flat is not an unnatural shape. It appears often in nature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

As many FErs don't believe gravity is what keeps us on the ground, why would the earth be round? Its been pushed from behind for billions of years by DE colliding with space debris (far more at the formation of the solar system when there was lots of dust and debris floating about before it settled). It was probably squashed flat by UA and space impacts, before it cooled.

And did the FE form like a pancake? Mixing bowl, flour and eggs? Not likely.
Sooooo you don't have an actual answer? How would the earth's edge be so un-irregular if it formed that way? The earth would be more like a splat than a flat disc.
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2011, 09:04:08 AM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET? Why is the universe planar in RET? I would argue flat is not an unnatural shape. It appears often in nature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

As many FErs don't believe gravity is what keeps us on the ground, why would the earth be round? Its been pushed from behind for billions of years by DE colliding with space debris (far more at the formation of the solar system when there was lots of dust and debris floating about before it settled). It was probably squashed flat by UA and space impacts, before it cooled.

And did the FE form like a pancake? Mixing bowl, flour and eggs? Not likely.
Sooooo you don't have an actual answer? How would the earth's edge be so un-irregular if it formed that way? The earth would be more like a splat than a flat disc.
By un-irregular, can I assume you mean regular? The impacts are small compared to earth's total size. Imagine it has been sandblasted flat for 4.5 billion years by space debris. Its a better analogy.

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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2011, 09:59:26 AM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET? Why is the universe planar in RET? I would argue flat is not an unnatural shape. It appears often in nature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

As many FErs don't believe gravity is what keeps us on the ground, why would the earth be round? Its been pushed from behind for billions of years by DE colliding with space debris (far more at the formation of the solar system when there was lots of dust and debris floating about before it settled). It was probably squashed flat by UA and space impacts, before it cooled.

And did the FE form like a pancake? Mixing bowl, flour and eggs? Not likely.
Sooooo you don't have an actual answer? How would the earth's edge be so un-irregular if it formed that way? The earth would be more like a splat than a flat disc.
By un-irregular, can I assume you mean regular? The impacts are small compared to earth's total size. Imagine it has been sandblasted flat for 4.5 billion years by space debris. Its a better analogy.

What about the edge? If you think the edge is more or less smooth compared to the Earth, how would it have formed as perfectly as that? 
we're expected to throw up our hands and just BELIEVE.

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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2011, 10:04:42 AM »
What was happening when the earth was the size of an upsidown frisbie?
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2011, 10:45:49 AM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET? Why is the universe planar in RET? I would argue flat is not an unnatural shape. It appears often in nature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

As many FErs don't believe gravity is what keeps us on the ground, why would the earth be round? Its been pushed from behind for billions of years by DE colliding with space debris (far more at the formation of the solar system when there was lots of dust and debris floating about before it settled). It was probably squashed flat by UA and space impacts, before it cooled.

And did the FE form like a pancake? Mixing bowl, flour and eggs? Not likely.
Sooooo you don't have an actual answer? How would the earth's edge be so un-irregular if it formed that way? The earth would be more like a splat than a flat disc.
By un-irregular, can I assume you mean regular? The impacts are small compared to earth's total size. Imagine it has been sandblasted flat for 4.5 billion years by space debris. Its a better analogy.

What about the edge? If you think the edge is more or less smooth compared to the Earth, how would it have formed as perfectly as that? 
The 'edge' is made of ice. Ice is compacted snow. It falls to make a flat surface. So flat edge.

What was happening when the earth was the size of an upsidown frisbie?
Coagulation of rock is a RET. There is no evidence to suggest the earth is made up of rock from all over the galaxy that collected together by some magic invisible force. It is more likely the earth has always been this size from its inception.
Asking about that will be derailment into big-bangs and the existence of God etc. Its up to you.

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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2011, 11:14:22 AM »
Who's to say it's such an unnatural shape?

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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2011, 12:33:51 PM »
Who's to say it's not an infinite planar paradise? A happy place with flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children dance and laugh and play with gumdrop smiles?
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2011, 04:59:47 PM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET? Why is the universe planar in RET? I would argue flat is not an unnatural shape. It appears often in nature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

As many FErs don't believe gravity is what keeps us on the ground, why would the earth be round? Its been pushed from behind for billions of years by DE colliding with space debris (far more at the formation of the solar system when there was lots of dust and debris floating about before it settled). It was probably squashed flat by UA and space impacts, before it cooled.

And did the FE form like a pancake? Mixing bowl, flour and eggs? Not likely.
Sooooo you don't have an actual answer? How would the earth's edge be so un-irregular if it formed that way? The earth would be more like a splat than a flat disc.
By un-irregular, can I assume you mean regular? The impacts are small compared to earth's total size. Imagine it has been sandblasted flat for 4.5 billion years by space debris. Its a better analogy.

What about the edge? If you think the edge is more or less smooth compared to the Earth, how would it have formed as perfectly as that? 
The 'edge' is made of ice. Ice is compacted snow. It falls to make a flat surface. So flat edge.

What was happening when the earth was the size of an upsidown frisbie?
Coagulation of rock is a RET. There is no evidence to suggest the earth is made up of rock from all over the galaxy that collected together by some magic invisible force. It is more likely the earth has always been this size from its inception.Asking about that will be derailment into big-bangs and the existence of God etc. Its up to you.

Its more likely? what evidence do you have that suggests its always been this way?
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Thork

Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 05:08:14 PM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET? Why is the universe planar in RET? I would argue flat is not an unnatural shape. It appears often in nature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

As many FErs don't believe gravity is what keeps us on the ground, why would the earth be round? Its been pushed from behind for billions of years by DE colliding with space debris (far more at the formation of the solar system when there was lots of dust and debris floating about before it settled). It was probably squashed flat by UA and space impacts, before it cooled.

And did the FE form like a pancake? Mixing bowl, flour and eggs? Not likely.
Sooooo you don't have an actual answer? How would the earth's edge be so un-irregular if it formed that way? The earth would be more like a splat than a flat disc.
By un-irregular, can I assume you mean regular? The impacts are small compared to earth's total size. Imagine it has been sandblasted flat for 4.5 billion years by space debris. Its a better analogy.

What about the edge? If you think the edge is more or less smooth compared to the Earth, how would it have formed as perfectly as that? 
The 'edge' is made of ice. Ice is compacted snow. It falls to make a flat surface. So flat edge.

What was happening when the earth was the size of an upsidown frisbie?
Coagulation of rock is a RET. There is no evidence to suggest the earth is made up of rock from all over the galaxy that collected together by some magic invisible force. It is more likely the earth has always been this size from its inception.Asking about that will be derailment into big-bangs and the existence of God etc. Its up to you.

Its more likely? what evidence do you have that suggests its always been this way?
A huge amount of the rock is 4.5 billion years old suggesting it formed at the same time. Therefore it wasn't gathered from all over the galaxy.

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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 06:07:19 PM »
A huge amount of the rock is 4.5 billion years old suggesting it formed at the same time. Therefore it wasn't gathered from all over the galaxy.

What about the materials that make up the rocks?  How old do you suppose they are?
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 07:12:43 PM »
Two things surprise me here: Thork the deist not just saying "a deity made it like that" and Thork the reality denier STILL pretending that UA hasnt been disproved by variation in gravity strength across the earth.
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 07:18:21 PM »
I love how he quotes astronomy and galaxies, gravity based orbits.  And then tries to use them to support his theory, which is contrary to the facts he is quoting.

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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2011, 09:32:55 PM »
Why is the solar system planar in RET? Why is the universe planar in RET? I would argue flat is not an unnatural shape. It appears often in nature.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11810553

As many FErs don't believe gravity is what keeps us on the ground, why would the earth be round? Its been pushed from behind for billions of years by DE colliding with space debris (far more at the formation of the solar system when there was lots of dust and debris floating about before it settled). It was probably squashed flat by UA and space impacts, before it cooled.

And did the FE form like a pancake? Mixing bowl, flour and eggs? Not likely.
Sooooo you don't have an actual answer? How would the earth's edge be so un-irregular if it formed that way? The earth would be more like a splat than a flat disc.
By un-irregular, can I assume you mean regular? The impacts are small compared to earth's total size. Imagine it has been sandblasted flat for 4.5 billion years by space debris. Its a better analogy.

What about the edge? If you think the edge is more or less smooth compared to the Earth, how would it have formed as perfectly as that? 
The 'edge' is made of ice. Ice is compacted snow. It falls to make a flat surface. So flat edge.

What was happening when the earth was the size of an upsidown frisbie?
Coagulation of rock is a RET. There is no evidence to suggest the earth is made up of rock from all over the galaxy that collected together by some magic invisible force. It is more likely the earth has always been this size from its inception.Asking about that will be derailment into big-bangs and the existence of God etc. Its up to you.

Its more likely? what evidence do you have that suggests its always been this way?
A huge amount of the rock is 4.5 billion years old suggesting it formed at the same time. Therefore it wasn't gathered from all over the galaxy.

The surface of earth cooled about 4.5 billion years ago, forming the top layer.



How do we know how old the earth is?


Believe it or not, there are clocks in rocks! You can't see them and you need very sophisticated machines to tell time by these clocks. The clocks are naturally radioactive elements, called isotopes, such as uranium.


Radioactive elements change spontaneously to non-radioactive elements. For example, radioactive uranium changes, or decays, to non-radioactive lead. If you start with a certain amount of radioactive uranium (100% U) it takes a certain amount of time for one half of the uranium to become lead (50% U,50% Pb). Then it takes the same amount of time for that half to become one half lead (25% U, 75% Pb), and so on. This is called the half-life, or decay constant; it never changes inside rocks.


Different radioactive elements decay at different rates. Some radioactive isotopes have short half-lives, others have very long half-lives, such as millions or billions of years. This is where you need a fancy machine and laboratory to find out how old Earth is; it is done by actually measuring the very tiny amounts of radioactive elements and their decay products, called the parent and daughter, in rocks. If you know the amount of parent and daughter (such as uranium and lead) in a rock and the decay constant, you can calculate the age of the rock. By measuring parent-daughter ratios for various radioactive elements in many kinds of rocks, and meteorites, we know that Earth formed about 4 and 1/2 billion years ago and that the Sun formed shortly before then.


http://www.ccmr.cornell.edu/education/ask/index.html?quid=182
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2011, 11:06:31 PM »
Yeah, the above poster has pretty much covered the age of the earth.

With regard to the original post though.

As far as I am aware, there is no solid/accepted theory regarding the shape of the universe.  I might be wrong, I've not looked for a good while.  As for the planar solar system, that is understood.

For the life of me, I cannot recall the correct terminology for this, so I will attempt to put it in laymans terms.
The planets in our solar system orbit on a common plane (or within a few degrees of it), and in the same direction, because of the sun.  The planets all orbit in the same direction as the sun rotates, and the orbits are all aligned to the equator of the sun.

That is also why Pluto was declassified - it orbits at a right funny angle, not consistent with the rest of the planets.  Most likely, it collided with something else in the Kuiper belt or Oort Cloud and pinged off at a weird angle into a new orbit round the sun.
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2011, 01:14:21 AM »
Well, how did it form in such an un natural[citation needed] shape?
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2011, 06:56:50 AM »
Well, how did it form in such an un natural[citation needed] shape?
Do you know any other solid disc-shaped objects in the universe? I mean celestial objects.
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2011, 10:38:39 AM »
Yeah, the above poster has pretty much covered the age of the earth.

With regard to the original post though.

As far as I am aware, there is no solid/accepted theory regarding the shape of the universe.  I might be wrong, I've not looked for a good while.  As for the planar solar system, that is understood.

For the life of me, I cannot recall the correct terminology for this, so I will attempt to put it in laymans terms.
The planets in our solar system orbit on a common plane (or within a few degrees of it), and in the same direction, because of the sun.  The planets all orbit in the same direction as the sun rotates, and the orbits are all aligned to the equator of the sun.

That is also why Pluto was declassified - it orbits at a right funny angle, not consistent with the rest of the planets.  Most likely, it collided with something else in the Kuiper belt or Oort Cloud and pinged off at a weird angle into a new orbit round the sun.

This is why pluto's not a planet:

Astronomers estimate that there are at least 70,000 icy objects, with the same composition as Pluto, that measure 100 km across or more in the Kuiper Belt. And according to the new rules, Pluto is not a planet. It’s just another Kuiper Belt object.

http://www.universetoday.com/13573/why-pluto-is-no-longer-a-planet/
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2011, 10:44:54 AM »
Well, how did it form in such an un natural[citation needed] shape?


Why are planets round?

Derek Sears, professor of cosmochemistry at the University of Arkansas, explains.

"Planets are round because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the "center of the body and pulls everything toward it. With its large body and internal heating from radioactive elements, a planet behaves like a fluid, and over long periods of time succumbs to the gravitational pull from its center of gravity. The only way to get all the mass as close to planet's center of gravity as possible is to form a sphere. The technical name for this process is "isostatic adjustment."

With much smaller bodies, such as the 20-kilometer asteroids we have seen in recent spacecraft images, the gravitational pull is too weak to overcome the asteroid's mechanical strength. As a result, these bodies do not form spheres. Rather they maintain irregular, fragmentary shapes."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-are-planets-round



A Flat planet is unnatural.
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2011, 11:34:01 AM »

"Planets are round because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the "center of the body and pulls everything toward it. With its large body and internal heating from radioactive elements, a planet behaves like a fluid, and over long periods of time succumbs to the gravitational pull from its center of gravity. The only way to get all the mass as close to planet's center of gravity as possible is to form a sphere. The technical name for this process is "isostatic adjustment."

With much smaller bodies, such as the 20-kilometer asteroids we have seen in recent spacecraft images, the gravitational pull is too weak to overcome the asteroid's mechanical strength. As a result, these bodies do not form spheres. Rather they maintain irregular, fragmentary shapes."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-are-planets-round



A Flat planet is unnatural.

Isostatic readjustment is actually being recorded on earth, in the present day.  The northern parts of England, and the Scandanavian countries are rebounding, and sea level is dropping there.  Likewise, some areas are sinking - England's south coast, and the Netherlands, for example.

This is largely due to the weight of glacial loads being removed over the last 12,000 years or so.


If you'll bear with me, I'll see if I can dig up some proper sources for that, as well.
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2011, 08:49:27 PM »
A Flat planet is unnatural.

Most FEers would agree with that statement, however they would say that the Earth is not a planet.
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2011, 09:04:41 PM »
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2011, 05:05:57 AM »
No it´s not. Round planets require gravity (which is the real fear of the FE´ers) or God. Well, the Brand New Magical Star Pull could be also a cool way to make all that sh**s collide
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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2011, 06:02:14 AM »
a lot of you are forgetting that the planets you see in a telescome are very small. as the sky is only 3100 miles up the cosmos is very small. the whole physics of flat earth theory is different

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Re: How did the FE form like a pancake?
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2011, 02:30:30 PM »
a lot of you are forgetting that the planets you see in a telescome are very small. as the sky is only 3100 miles up the cosmos is very small. the whole physics of flat earth theory is different
Yet RE physics still work so well?
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