James May from Top Gear rides in a U-2 spy plane

PLEASE VIEW PICTURES UP ABOVE... ALSO WATCH THE VIDEO WITH OUT THE SOUND, YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THEY ARE SAYING...

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Our line of sight is circular regardless of what theory you prescribe to.

If by line of sight you mean field of vision, its not circular.

This is a Parsifal-esque level of pedantry. It is semi-circular then, depending on one's peripheral vision.

Its not pedantry at all. If by line of sight he actually meant field of vision it makes a big difference to claims made about it. Even the view from a single eye is not circular. You can test this yourself, but I will be a tease and let you work out how.

Lolwut? Clearly there has been some misunderstanding. One's line of sight (field of vision, whatever you want to call it) is curved, as for about a 160 degree arc you can see equally in every direction. I thought it was pretty simple that it is an arc of a circle.

You cant see equally in every direction. You assume you can because your eye is round, but each eye has part of its vision blocked by your facial features such as nose and brow. Unless your eye is on a stalk or you are grotesquely deformed, these areas are permanently vignetting your sight. The lateral side of your vision has the greatest periphery, the superior part the least. The medio-lateral axis has greater coverage than the supero-inferior axis (in laymans terms you can see more side to side than you can up and down).
You would think this would be noticeable but it isnt very because your eyes are used to it throughout your life. You also are almost unable to see colour at the edge of your vision but your brain fills it in for you without you realising.

Go to the ocean and look at the horizon. It will be curved.

How is this relevant? Also, the curvature is too insignificant to be seen at sea level.

Sorry. I phrased this poorly. What I'd meant to say was that you will see a disk shaped-horizon, and thus you can see equally in every direction, within obvious restraints.

How is that possible if the earth is flat?

Actually you wouldn't see a disc from altitude if the earth was flat.  Atleast not a disc with sharply delineated edges.  What you would see would be a very gradual merging of the horizon with the sky, equally in all directions. 

You would most certainly not see a sharply delineated disk with the edge bisecting a continent.

there is no factual evidence based upon these videographs that the earth is round, if you would have seen the photo's i posted, the wide angle lense caused a distortion creating the illusion of curvature, but without the lense the video would have been narrower and flat.

there is no factual evidence based upon these videographs that the earth is round, if you would have seen the photo's i posted, the wide angle lense caused a distortion creating the illusion of curvature, but without the lense the video would have been narrower and flat.

You said yourself that you arent even sure its a wide angle lense. Either way 75% of the edge of the earth is lit up, disproving the FET.

Let say that what you can see is the lit up area by the spotlight, you would still be able to see the unlit area. If you think the unlit area wouldnt be visible then you havnt used a flashlight before.

it is in fact a wide angle lense, SIR. how else would it create the curvature? Do not get my words twisted.

and the special effects are horrendous, if the conspirators were good at what they do, there would not be this site.

it is in fact a wide angle lense, SIR. how else would it create the curvature? Do not get my words twisted.

Your pic, your words.

You pic, your words, very clearly showing I didnt twist your words.

it is in fact a wide angle lense, SIR. how else would it create the curvature? Do not get my words twisted.

hang on, we are saying that from that height the curvature of the earth is visible; so your argument is that camera must be a wide angle lens, because the Earth appears curved when it can't be because it's flat??  That's not proof the lens is wide angle, that's a theory that the lens is wide angle based on a theory that the Earth is flat.

In anycase, I agree that it's possible that curvature is due to the lens, afterall there probably wasn't a high end 1080p telephoto video camera perched in the cockpit - it's quite likely the video camera lens would have introduced curvature.  However that doesn't proove that the Earth doesn't appear curved at that altitude.

Many pilots who have flown at that altitude have reported seeing with their own eyes the curvature.  The ZETETIC evidence they observe with their very own eyes is concurrent with what we could expect by looking at the geometry.

This photo is taken from 100,000 feet.

http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2003/07/one-hundred-thousand-feet-up.html

Using this camera:

http://www.epinions.com/specs/Canon_Elph_LT__IXUS_Mach_1_APS_Compact_Camera___Camera_canixusm1

Notice the curvature.  Now, compact cameras often have barrel distortion (distorted vertical lines), but not necessarily moustache distortion (distorted horizontal lines).

The image below is taken with the same model camera.  The horizon is flat (it looks warped, but put a ruler up to it, it's dead straight).  No Tom Bishop, that doesn't prove the Earth is flat.  It proves the lens does not suffer from horizontal distorion.

Click the link to see the large view.

http://www.betterphoto.com/gallery/dynoGallDetail.asp?photoID=171588&catID=556&contestCatID=&rowNumber=18&camID=117

Tadah!  Proof the Earth is round.  The 100,000 foot image, is taken from balloon by Amateur Radio enthusiasts (Nebraska Stratospheric Amateur Radio).  Nothing to do with NASA.

My apologies, I thought you used my words as i said, 75% sure, but yes, i am positive that is a wide angle lense, there is no other way for that picture to have been curved, and i don't believe you took that picture with that camera, nor did you have anything to do with it. but regardless, that picture was framed with a wide angle lense, also what can you say about the rest of my argument considering he never looked at the camera, except until he exposed the fraud?

My apologies, I thought you used my words as i said, 75% sure, but yes, i am positive that is a wide angle lense, there is no other way for that picture to have been curved, and i don't believe you took that picture with that camera, nor did you have anything to do with it. but regardless, that picture was framed with a wide angle lense, also what can you say about the rest of my argument considering he never looked at the camera, except until he exposed the fraud?

I'm not saying I took that picture with that camera, it wasn't my experiment.  I'm sure though that Nebraska Stratospheric Amateur Radio would be quite offended to hear you accuse them of faking the experiment.  This experiment was a simple weather baloon experiment, not designed to measure the earth's curvature.  What I have done, is my own research into the camera they used, to deomonstrate that the picture of the earth is not curved due to the lens of the camera, but is actual curvature of the earth.

If you don't believe Nebraska Stratospheric Amateur Radio conducted this weather balloon experiment using the equipment they claimed to use, well I can't really say anything to that except "paranoid much".

Regarding your statement on the U2 video footage: You are right, the camera video itself is not good evidence that the world is round.  I agree.  If James May says that he could see curvature of the earth though, that is solid evidence. 

Though of course you are free to believe James May is under thepay of NASA as well.  Matter of fact, I'll add him to my list:

The NASA big three are really wishing right now they'd never started this bloody conspiracy....it's getting a bit expensive paying off: James May, stratosphere pilots, Art school tutors, PHysicists in the field of Optics, Observatories world wide and their staff and anyone who has access to the observatory (and who can view teh sun and observe that it is flat and not round), So Jose Bonet of the Instituto de Astrofísica de Canarias in Spain and colleagues, Astronomy magazine editors and "reader contribution" faking staff, various actors involved in faked artic bases, moonlandings etc, family and loved one's of disposed-of artic explorers paid to keep quiet, cell phone tower engineers, management and firmware designers , The many thousands of civilians who witnessed shuttle launches, the media that reported the shuttle launches, and the police, army and airforce who provided the shuttle launch security, Cosmologists, fake arctic scientists, arctic set builders, artic computer graphics designers, Geophysists, professional astronomers, global climate scientists, particle physicists and partical accelerator designers, telecommunications engineers, astro-physicists, NASA boffins, engineers, astronauts, ground crew, contractors, Indian, Chinese, European and Russian space agencies, private satelitte launch company management and engineers, gps manufacturers, ham radio operators (the vhf line of sight conspiracy), international airline pilots, flight path designers, "gps" aircraft pilots, mapping companies, surveyors, radar operators and manufacturers, ballistics engineers and ice wall guards, but the world's body of amatuer astronomers, Microsoft founder Paul Allen, Virgin owner Richard Branson, Burt Rutan, Brian Binnie, Mike Melvill (BB and MM, they just gotta be made up names), doctors, hospital administrators, moonburn patients, nurses and pharmacists, artic south pole explorers, circumnavigators.

it is in fact a wide angle lense, SIR. how else would it create the curvature? Do not get my words twisted.
hang on, we are saying that from that height the curvature of the earth is visible; so your argument is that camera must be a wide angle lens, because the Earth appears curved when it can't be because it's flat??  That's not proof the lens is wide angle, that's a theory that the lens is wide angle based on a theory that the Earth is flat.

In anycase, I agree that it's possible that curvature is due to the lens, afterall there probably wasn't a high end 1080p telephoto video camera perched in the cockpit - it's quite likely the video camera lens would have introduced curvature.  However that doesn't proove that the Earth doesn't appear curved at that altitude.



Many pilots who have flown at that altitude have reported seeing with their own eyes the curvature.  The ZETETIC evidence they observe with their very own eyes is concurrent with what we could expect by looking at the geometry.

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camera must be a wide angle lens because the Earth appears curved when it can't be because it's flat??



In anycase, I agree that it's possible that curvature is due to the lens
My point exactly, there is no other way, considering the earth is in fact FLAT. F. L. A. T. FLAT AS A PANCAKE.

In anycase, I agree that it's possible that curvature is due to the lens, afterall there probably wasn't a high end 1080p telephoto video camera perched in the cockpit


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the lens was a Wide Angle Lense, similar to a Fish Eye Lens or a Death Lens a wide angle lens does not create as much curvature as a fisheye, but a fisheye doesn't create as much curvature as a death, most professional skateboard video's use mkI's or MKII's which are distortion telephoto lenses which create the effect the "astronauts" use to create their "high tech" video's that are fraudulant and quite  sincerely deception to the american public, since heaven and hell are real, people who help create this dellusion will be there.




note the curvature is the opposite of the said curvature of the earth. this is due to the wide angle distortion.

the media has warped your mind so much that you can look at a flat earth photo and make yourself believe it is curved, that is how powerful they have become, but truth will always win.

the media has warped your mind so much that you can look at a flat earth photo and make yourself believe it is curved, that is how powerful they have become, but truth will always win.

Dude, you need to read my posts a little more carefully.

1. Not all camera lenses introduce curvature on the horizontal plane.
2. If one such camera is lifted to 100,000 feet and shows the horizon is curved, it is  evidence that the Earth is round, or at the very least curved.
3. Just because you don't believe the Earth is curved, is not evidence to me that it isn't.  You need to provide proof.  All your analysis of the U2 flight shows is that the video doesn't prove the Earth is round.  But that doesn't mean it proves the world is flat either.  It just means the evidence is inadmissable.
4. Stop smoking hydro and get some nice calming home grown outdoor shit, it will do you wonders. And lay off the crack altogether.

a very good video of our giant disc,

thanks for sharing

Oh jeez...

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the media has warped your mind so much that you can look at a flat earth photo and make yourself believe it is curved, that is how powerful they have become, but truth will always win.

Dude, you need to read my posts a little more carefully.

1. Not all camera lenses introduce curvature on the horizontal plane.
2. If one such camera is lifted to 100,000 feet and shows the horizon is curved, it is  evidence that the Earth is round, or at the very least curved.
3. Just because you don't believe the Earth is curved, is not evidence to me that it isn't.  You need to provide proof.  All your analysis of the U2 flight shows is that the video doesn't prove the Earth is round.  But that doesn't mean it proves the world is flat either.  It just means the evidence is inadmissable.
4. Stop smoking hydro and get some nice calming home grown outdoor shit, it will do you wonders. And lay off the crack altogether.

This is your last warning for personal attacks.. You were doing ok until point4.

This is your last warning for personal attacks..

And this is a warning for membrating.

This is your last warning for personal attacks.. You were doing ok until point4.

Actually point 4 was well meaning advice.  But out of respect to Even Plane, and not because I think you are entitled to issue warnings (suggestions maybe but not warnings)  I am happy to not mention it again.

Wow, thanks for sharing that. Never saw footage from a aircraft with that altitude. Truly beautiful. Reminds me of why I love flying, not just the speed or the freedom, but the simple beauty of being both a part of the planet, but kind of separate in a way and looking down on it. 

Depending on where you are, on a FE model, the curvature of the Earth would look very different.

If you were on a plane in, let's say Madagascar, if you looked over to Africa, the curvature, if visible, would look very wide, whereas if you looked the other side, it would look much smaller.

Depending on where you are, on a FE model, the curvature of the Earth would look very different.

So, now are you saying that flat earthers believe there is a curvature to the Earths horizon?

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Depending on where you are, on a FE model, the curvature of the Earth would look very different.

So, now are you saying that flat earthers believe there is a curvature to the Earths horizon?

When you are at great heights you are looking down at a circle.

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Depending on where you are, on a FE model, the curvature of the Earth would look very different.

So, now are you saying that flat earthers believe there is a curvature to the Earths horizon?

When you are at great heights you are looking down at a circle.

If that were the case, continents would not wrap around the edge of that circle. If what we are seeing in footage like this and that of the ISS is a circle at the edge of the world, where is the ice wall, why aren't all of the continents in the middle and why do we have absolutely no images of seeing the earth from it's side at different angles? The only object that appears round from EVERY angle is a sphere. Hold a marble in your hand and roll it around. 2 dimensionally, it looks like a disc (except for seeing that tigers eye pattern wrapping around it) but if it were a disc, like a coin, the only way it looks round is looking straight down at it from the top. the slightest changes in view of a coin cause it to flatten out.

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Depending on where you are, on a FE model, the curvature of the Earth would look very different.

So, now are you saying that flat earthers believe there is a curvature to the Earths horizon?

When you are at great heights you are looking down at a circle.

If that were the case, continents would not wrap around the edge of that circle. If what we are seeing in footage like this and that of the ISS is a circle at the edge of the world, where is the ice wall, why aren't all of the continents in the middle and why do we have absolutely no images of seeing the earth from it's side at different angles? The only object that appears round from EVERY angle is a sphere. Hold a marble in your hand and roll it around. 2 dimensionally, it looks like a disc (except for seeing that tigers eye pattern wrapping around it) but if it were a disc, like a coin, the only way it looks round is looking straight down at it from the top. the slightest changes in view of a coin cause it to flatten out.

You wouldn't see all of the continents because all of the continents are not illuminated at once. You are looking down at the circle of the sun's light upon the earth.

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Depending on where you are, on a FE model, the curvature of the Earth would look very different.

So, now are you saying that flat earthers believe there is a curvature to the Earths horizon?

When you are at great heights you are looking down at a circle.

If that were the case, continents would not wrap around the edge of that circle. If what we are seeing in footage like this and that of the ISS is a circle at the edge of the world, where is the ice wall, why aren't all of the continents in the middle and why do we have absolutely no images of seeing the earth from it's side at different angles? The only object that appears round from EVERY angle is a sphere. Hold a marble in your hand and roll it around. 2 dimensionally, it looks like a disc (except for seeing that tigers eye pattern wrapping around it) but if it were a disc, like a coin, the only way it looks round is looking straight down at it from the top. the slightest changes in view of a coin cause it to flatten out.

You wouldn't see all of the continents because all of the continents are not illuminated at once. You are looking down at the circle of the sun's light upon the earth.

Of course when we showed you video of the international space station going from the dark side to the light side of the earth, with all of the lights on at night and a bit of moonlight showing the surface, it proves that isn't true. when you saw that stunning footage Tom, the best you could come up with is "it's fake" Somehow that argument is supposed to be good enough for you, but it's not good enough for RE'ers when we say FE is fake. Every image we have from space or the upper atmosphere shows a round earth and you would think that from some angle we would see it flatten out if it was a FE. As stated before the only object that looks round from every angle is a sphere. So you are saying the entire earth cannot be seen and all we will see is a spotlight cast by the sun? How do you explain the existence of moonlight? or have you never witnessed this phenomenon before?

Of course when we showed you video of the international space station going from the dark side to the light side of the earth, with all of the lights on at night and a bit of moonlight showing the surface, it proves that isn't true. when you saw that stunning footage Tom, the best you could come up with is "it's fake"

NASA images are fake, but amateur shots of the earth from high altitudes are not.

As stated before the only object that looks round from every angle is a sphere.

A circle looks round from every angle except when looking at it parallel to its surface.

So you are saying the entire earth cannot be seen and all we will see is a spotlight cast by the sun?

The entire earth isn't lit up at once.

How do you explain the existence of moonlight? or have you never witnessed this phenomenon before?

Moonlight does not illuminate the earth to any significant degree.

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Of course when we showed you video of the international space station going from the dark side to the light side of the earth, with all of the lights on at night and a bit of moonlight showing the surface, it proves that isn't true. when you saw that stunning footage Tom, the best you could come up with is "it's fake"

NASA images are fake, but amateur shots of the earth from high altitudes are not.

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As stated before the only object that looks round from every angle is a sphere.

A circle looks round from every angle except when looking at it parallel to its surface.

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So you are saying the entire earth cannot be seen and all we will see is a spotlight cast by the sun?

The entire earth isn't lit up at once.

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How do you explain the existence of moonlight? or have you never witnessed this phenomenon before?

Moonlight does not illuminate the earth to any significant degree.

A flat disc absolutely does not look like a circle from every angle except looking at it parallel. the moment you start tilting a disc, it's two dimensional appearance starts to turn into an oblong oval and eventually a flat plane. Again, take a coin out of your pocket and look at it face first. start flipping the coin and the circle flattens eventually becoming a flat line at it's parralel. Or simply look at this picture of tops below.  Even a monkey could do this experiment with a frisbee in their hand. Apparently Tom suffers from a bad case of night blindness too if he's never see the clouds lit up on a full moon night or looked out over a field when the moon is full. I think we figured out your problem, you need better glasses.






In a moonlit night of Nepal Himalayas, bright star Capella, the sixth brightest in the night sky, rises above the top of the world, Mount Everest. To the right is Mt. Lhutse, the world's 4th highest mountain. A Buddhist religious monument is also visible in the foreground. The brightest star is the mysterious eclipsing binary star Epsilon Aurigae. Taken by Iranian photographer Babak Tafreshi.

You're aware of a thing called "exposure time", right?