How can the Earth be an infinite plane?

With Tom, I think it's because Rowbotham made a reference to "endless tundra" in his description of what lies beyond the Ice Wall (although he also says what lies beyond the Ice Wall is anyone's guess).

Take the current flat earth map, all points south are infinite. This where Atlantis and Lemuria would be located, beyond that infinite number of landmasses and oceans, endless paradise.

Yes in Round Earth model Atlantis is in Atlantic and Lemuria is Pacific. In an infinite earth model, Lemuria and Atlantis shifted south.

@OP.  One must assume the Earth is an infinite plain as until someone actually manages to find the edge and the results are verified we must assume this land we live on stretches forever.

Quote from: Mr Pseudonym on August 10, 2011, 05:28:58 AM

@OP.  One must assume the Earth is an infinite plain as until someone actually manages to find the edge and the results are verified we must assume this land we live on stretches forever.

Incorrect. It would be more zetetic (and truthful) to say that if the Earth is flat, then we don't know whether it ends, and if so, where.

One must assume

Quote from: Mr Pseudonym on August 10, 2011, 05:28:58 AM

One must assume

Ah yes, the very foundation of Zeteticism.

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

Quote from: Ozymandiax on August 10, 2011, 03:31:06 PM

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

In his model, the Earth is only infinite in two dimensions. It has a fixed height.

Quote from: Ozymandiax on August 10, 2011, 03:31:06 PM

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

In his model, the Earth is only infinite in two dimensions. It has a fixed height.

Quote from: Harutsedo on August 10, 2011, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: Ozymandiax on August 10, 2011, 03:31:06 PM

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

In his model, the Earth is only infinite in two dimensions. It has a fixed height.

Even if it has 1 fixed dimension, the other 2 are still infinite; therefore there is still an infinite mass, and therefore, volume.

A plane is infinite (2-dimensional), but two planes can exist without touching each other. Earth would be like a plane, and the stars would be in another plane.

maybe I am confused, sorry You are proposing then 2 infinite 2-dimensions planes??

Earth.. this undiscovered thing

We, humans we are infinite, infinitely complex, and all perceptions of infinitude come from our own infinity

Earth can be infinite if our infinite perception lead us to perceive it so. Otherwise all former limitations apply and earth from my point of view cannot be an endless and infinite plane. Even if it is flat.

Quote from: Ozymandiax on August 11, 2011, 02:47:22 AM

maybe I am confused, sorry You are proposing then 2 infinite 2-dimensions planes??

No, what he's trying to say is that you can still have a sky even if the Earth is an infinite plane. And it can be infinite in 3 dimensions too...

This doesn't take away from the fact that an infinite Earth needs infinite energy to be accelerated.

Quote from: Puttah on August 11, 2011, 03:24:21 AM

Quote from: Ozymandiax on August 11, 2011, 02:47:22 AM

maybe I am confused, sorry You are proposing then 2 infinite 2-dimensions planes??

No, what he's trying to say is that you can still have a sky even if the Earth is an infinite plane. And it can be infinite in 3 dimensions too...

This doesn't take away from the fact that an infinite Earth needs infinite energy to be accelerated.

Don't those who are in the infinite flat plane Earth camp also subscribe to gravity which is similar to what is found on RET.  The term I see thrown around is Gaussian.

Berny
This is getting silly

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

Quote from: Puttah on August 11, 2011, 03:24:21 AM

Quote from: Ozymandiax on August 11, 2011, 02:47:22 AM

maybe I am confused, sorry You are proposing then 2 infinite 2-dimensions planes??

No, what he's trying to say is that you can still have a sky even if the Earth is an infinite plane. And it can be infinite in 3 dimensions too...

This doesn't take away from the fact that an infinite Earth needs infinite energy to be accelerated.

Don't those who are in the infinite flat plane Earth camp also subscribe to gravity which is similar to what is found on RET.  The term I see thrown around is Gaussian.

Berny
This is getting silly

The reason some of you have a problem with infinite acceleration is because you only think in terms of limited human science and what is known to science. I guarantee you that God is not called almighty for nothing, he can create infinite energy or infinite acceleration on infinite earth. As I stated before I believe that our earth is a sphere, however in a parallel universe the earth might be in a form of infinite plain, I believe this to be the case.

The reason some of you have a problem with infinite acceleration is because you only think in terms of limited human science and what is known to science. I guarantee you that God is not called almighty for nothing, he can create infinite energy or infinite acceleration on infinite earth. As I stated before I believe that our earth is a sphere, however in a parallel universe the earth might be in a form of infinite plain, I believe this to be the case.

Quote from: Ozymandiax on August 10, 2011, 03:31:06 PM

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

This is more a trick of mathematics than common sense. I suggest you look up the Infinite Hotel Paradox to see why you're presenting a logical fallacy.