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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #120 on: October 12, 2011, 05:47:26 PM »
So, everyone that goes to the base at the South Pole has to be paid off by The Conspiracy to be quiet?

That is an interesting assumption to make.

No, they are either killed or are being manipulated by the conspiracy.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #121 on: October 12, 2011, 06:29:32 PM »
So, they either get paid to keep quiet, or they get killed.

It seems like a huge waste of resources either way...

Why have a South Pole base at all?

And what of Antarctic Tourism? Is it staged as well?

http://wikitravel.org/en/South_Pole
http://www.adventure-network.com/
http://www.icetrek.com/index.php?id=56
http://www.voyageconcepts.co.uk/travel/icetruck.htm
http://www.extremeworldraces.com/

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #122 on: October 12, 2011, 06:44:40 PM »
So, they either get paid to keep quiet, or they get killed.

It seems like a huge waste of resources either way...

Why have a South Pole base at all?

And what of Antarctic Tourism? Is it staged as well?

http://wikitravel.org/en/South_Pole
http://www.adventure-network.com/
http://www.icetrek.com/index.php?id=56
http://www.voyageconcepts.co.uk/travel/icetruck.htm
http://www.extremeworldraces.com/

Not paid, manipulated.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #123 on: October 13, 2011, 06:24:03 AM »
Manipulated how? It's still a waste of resources.

Why have a south pole base at all?

And you haven't answered my question about Antarctic tourism.

Oh wait, you haven't even answered the OP's Question properly. Yeah...

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #124 on: October 13, 2011, 09:54:48 AM »
See above for conspiracy /= explanation. Also, speak english.
Here's some English for you. Specifically, a quote from Tim Minchin's "Storm":

Does the idea that there might be truth
Frighten you?
Does the idea that one afternoon
On Wiki-fucking-pedia might enlighten you
Frighten you?
Does the notion that there may not be a supernatural
So blow your hippy noodle
That you would rather just stand in the fog
Of your inability to Google?


Not so much the supernatural part, but the Wikipedia/Google bit is incredibly relevant.
Let me help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petitio_principii

Also, just in case you were wondering, "petitio principii" is a term in the English language:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/petitio_principii
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/petitio+principii?region=us
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/Petitio%20Principii

Two of your dictionary links don't work. I am at a loss to understand what I have said which means accepting a conclusion in the premise. Also "petitio" is not an English word, and neither is "principii", any more than "erat" is an English word because the phrase "QED" is used in the context of an English sentence. It's a term commonly used within the framework of English, but it isn't English, it's Latin. So to ask someone to speak English after using it is in all senses correct and acceptable.
Also, you have done quoting Tim Minchin to death now. Move on to quoting someone else.
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #125 on: October 13, 2011, 09:55:56 AM »
There is a base at the South Pole. Where is this located on the FE map?
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #126 on: October 13, 2011, 10:59:03 AM »
There is a base at the South Pole. Where is this located on the FE map?
To my knowledge, no FEer has been there. How should we know?

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #127 on: October 13, 2011, 02:19:30 PM »
There is a base at the South Pole. Where is this located on the FE map?
To my knowledge, no FEer has been there. How should we know?

Because the FE'ers claim to know the layout of the earth much better than 99% of the population of the world, which theoretically makes them the very best people to ask.
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #128 on: October 14, 2011, 03:14:50 AM »
There is a base at the South Pole. Where is this located on the FE map?
To my knowledge, no FEer has been there. How should we know?

Because the FE'ers claim to know the layout of the earth much better than 99% of the population of the world, which theoretically makes them the very best people to ask.
Because we know the general layout of the Earth, we should know the location of every building?

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« Reply #129 on: October 14, 2011, 07:15:57 AM »
There is a base at the South Pole. Where is this located on the FE map?
To my knowledge, no FEer has been there. How should we know?

Because the FE'ers claim to know the layout of the earth much better than 99% of the population of the world, which theoretically makes them the very best people to ask.
Because we know the general layout of the Earth, we should know the location of every building?
Zetetically speaking, you shouldn't even be discussing south pole bases or southern ice walls without having seen it for yourself.
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #130 on: October 14, 2011, 02:01:16 PM »
Zetetically speaking, you shouldn't even be discussing south pole bases or southern ice walls without having seen it for yourself.

Do not confuse Zetetcism with Empiricism.  It is enough for a Zetetic to thoroughly investigate the existence of Antartic research stations with out necessarily having to visit them personally.
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #131 on: October 14, 2011, 07:00:51 PM »
Zetetically speaking, you shouldn't even be discussing south pole bases or southern ice walls without having seen it for yourself.

Do not confuse Zetetcism with Empiricism.  It is enough for a Zetetic to thoroughly investigate the existence of Antartic research stations with out necessarily having to visit them personally.
Well yes makes sense.  Afterall the master Zetetist himself only needed to conduct a poorly implemented bedford level experiment to declare a Flat Earth theory proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #132 on: October 14, 2011, 11:58:54 PM »
No, they are either killed or are being manipulated by the conspiracy.

Do you have any evidence of this? Please provide links. I will also not accept photos as they probably have been tampered with by FErs.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #133 on: October 16, 2011, 05:02:26 AM »
How should we know?

Exactly.  How should you know unless you are either making it up or you are privy to information that the rest of us are not.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #134 on: October 16, 2011, 05:17:22 AM »
How should we know?

Exactly.  How should you know unless you are either making it up or you are privy to information that the rest of us are not.
Wut? I don't think anyone here has claimed to know the location of this supposed south polar base. And the existence or non-existence of it is irrelevant to FET.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #135 on: October 16, 2011, 05:47:06 AM »
How should we know?

Exactly.  How should you know unless you are either making it up or you are privy to information that the rest of us are not.
Wut? I don't think anyone here has claimed to know the location of this supposed south polar base. And the existence or non-existence of it is irrelevant to FET.

There is ample evidence that a south polar base (and various other Antarctic bases) exist. To claim that it doesn't and that it's a fabrication by the conspiracy would involve extending the number of people involved in the conspiracy by a good few thousand, at minimum, given the number of people who have been stationed there over the years and who are involved with logistics and supply etc. The base has a high staff turnover with people often only staying there for a year or less. This is absolutely relevant to FET because FET requires a watertight conspiracy. The more people who are members the less watertight it can be.
Secondly, it is relevant because wherever this base is, it is at a location which has been labelled as The South Pole. If Antarctica is a big rim, then why was this one spot defined as that, when anywhere on the rim would be adequate? How can it be 1500km from the part of Antarctica nearest to New Zealand, yet not 40,000km from the tip of South America? Knowing where this base is located has massive implications for defining the layout of the earth, which is why FE'ers should relish the chance to engage with this mystery.
Xenu keeps claiming stuff is irrelevant when it isn't. He really needs to consult a dictionary.
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #136 on: October 16, 2011, 06:54:14 AM »
How should we know?

Exactly.  How should you know unless you are either making it up or you are privy to information that the rest of us are not.
Wut? I don't think anyone here has claimed to know the location of this supposed south polar base. And the existence or non-existence of it is irrelevant to FET.

There is ample evidence that a south polar base (and various other Antarctic bases) exist. To claim that it doesn't and that it's a fabrication by the conspiracy would involve extending the number of people involved in the conspiracy by a good few thousand, at minimum, given the number of people who have been stationed there over the years and who are involved with logistics and supply etc. The base has a high staff turnover with people often only staying there for a year or less. This is absolutely relevant to FET because FET requires a watertight conspiracy. The more people who are members the less watertight it can be.
Secondly, it is relevant because wherever this base is, it is at a location which has been labelled as The South Pole. If Antarctica is a big rim, then why was this one spot defined as that, when anywhere on the rim would be adequate? How can it be 1500km from the part of Antarctica nearest to New Zealand, yet not 40,000km from the tip of South America? Knowing where this base is located has massive implications for defining the layout of the earth, which is why FE'ers should relish the chance to engage with this mystery.
Xenu keeps claiming stuff is irrelevant when it isn't. He really needs to consult a dictionary.

I tried to explain this with words, but you're a moron, so I'll use pictures.



See how the base is closer to the Ronre Ice Sheet than any other coast? That's the route scientists use when going to the pole, so it is obviously where it is.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #137 on: October 16, 2011, 06:57:19 AM »
Where would it be on a Flat Earth Map though?

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #138 on: October 16, 2011, 07:02:10 AM »
How should we know?

Exactly.  How should you know unless you are either making it up or you are privy to information that the rest of us are not.
Wut? I don't think anyone here has claimed to know the location of this supposed south polar base. And the existence or non-existence of it is irrelevant to FET.

There is ample evidence that a south polar base (and various other Antarctic bases) exist. To claim that it doesn't and that it's a fabrication by the conspiracy would involve extending the number of people involved in the conspiracy by a good few thousand, at minimum, given the number of people who have been stationed there over the years and who are involved with logistics and supply etc. The base has a high staff turnover with people often only staying there for a year or less. This is absolutely relevant to FET because FET requires a watertight conspiracy. The more people who are members the less watertight it can be.
Secondly, it is relevant because wherever this base is, it is at a location which has been labelled as The South Pole. If Antarctica is a big rim, then why was this one spot defined as that, when anywhere on the rim would be adequate? How can it be 1500km from the part of Antarctica nearest to New Zealand, yet not 40,000km from the tip of South America? Knowing where this base is located has massive implications for defining the layout of the earth, which is why FE'ers should relish the chance to engage with this mystery.
Xenu keeps claiming stuff is irrelevant when it isn't. He really needs to consult a dictionary.
I am completely open-minded as to the existence of this "research station". However, due to a lack of time and funding, it would be impractical for me to travel the entire rim continent looking for it. If you have any evidence regarding the existence and precise location of this base, I would be very grateful for it.

As to the purpose of such an institution, if it exists, I am unsure. One can only speculate. However, it may simply operate as another form of deception from the conspiracy.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #139 on: October 16, 2011, 07:39:23 AM »

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #140 on: October 16, 2011, 07:54:04 AM »
Where would it be on a Flat Earth Map though?



It's around there.

Explain how that dot is 1500km from New Zealand's Scott base, (which can be seen on the conventional Antarctic map.
There's only two ways it can be. Either the polar base is further round the rim towards NZ, or Antarctica is not a rim round the earth.
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #141 on: October 16, 2011, 07:57:50 AM »
Where would it be on a Flat Earth Map though?



It's around there.

Explain how that dot is 1500km from New Zealand's Scott base, (which can be seen on the conventional Antarctic map.
There's only two ways it can be. Either the polar base is further round the rim towards NZ, or Antarctica is not a rim round the earth.

It's not 1500 km from New Zealand's base.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #142 on: October 16, 2011, 08:13:22 AM »
Where would it be on a Flat Earth Map though?



It's around there.

Explain how that dot is 1500km from New Zealand's Scott base, (which can be seen on the conventional Antarctic map.
There's only two ways it can be. Either the polar base is further round the rim towards NZ, or Antarctica is not a rim round the earth.

It's not 1500 km from New Zealand's base.

http://www.antarcticanz.govt.nz/scott-base
A quote from this site (which has a webcam too): "The Base is located on Ross Island in the Ross Sea region of Antarctica. Ross Island is 3932 km (2114 nautical miles) from Christchurch New Zealand and 1500 km from the South Pole. The Antarctic mainland is 70 km across McMurdo Sound from Scott Base. The closest neighbour to Scott Base is the American base, McMurdo Station, at 3km distancel."
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #143 on: October 16, 2011, 09:33:38 AM »
Where would it be on a Flat Earth Map though?



It's around there.

Explain how that dot is 1500km from New Zealand's Scott base, (which can be seen on the conventional Antarctic map.
There's only two ways it can be. Either the polar base is further round the rim towards NZ, or Antarctica is not a rim round the earth.

It's not 1500 km from New Zealand's base.

http://www.antarcticanz.govt.nz/scott-base
A quote from this site (which has a webcam too): "The Base is located on Ross Island in the Ross Sea region of Antarctica. Ross Island is 3932 km (2114 nautical miles) from Christchurch New Zealand and 1500 km from the South Pole. The Antarctic mainland is 70 km across McMurdo Sound from Scott Base. The closest neighbour to Scott Base is the American base, McMurdo Station, at 3km distancel."

That's wrong.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #144 on: October 16, 2011, 10:15:17 AM »
That's wrong.
What's your zetetic evidence for claiming so?

This is the problem with FET; eventually you have to deny well-established facts.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #145 on: October 16, 2011, 10:43:07 AM »
That's wrong.
What's your zetetic evidence for claiming so?

This is the problem with FET; eventually you have to deny well-established facts.

We aren't denying well-established facts. We're denying obvious lies that anyone could see through.

Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #146 on: October 16, 2011, 11:07:53 AM »
We aren't denying well-established facts. We're denying obvious lies that anyone could see through.

You can deny the facts all you want, but can you prove it without stating a conspiracy? Is there any evidence to support your claims? The RErs have tons of evidence to support their claims without needing to state bogus claims. Remember FE is your theory. It is your responsibility to provide the evidence to support your claims. We are under no obligation to prove you right or wrong. Just stating that the Earth is flat without evidence is practically the same as lying. If you are truly looking for the truth, then you would conduct experiments and provide us with actual evidence to support your claims.
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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #147 on: October 16, 2011, 11:18:39 AM »
We aren't denying well-established facts. We're denying obvious lies that anyone could see through.

The RErs have tons of evidence to support their claims without needing to state bogus claims.

  • Higgs boson
  • Gravitron
  • Tachyon
  • String theory
  • Various interpretations of Schrodinger's Cat
  • The difference between Macro- and Micro- physics

Right. No bogus claims to see here. Move along.

Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #148 on: October 16, 2011, 11:28:40 AM »

  • Higgs boson
  • Gravitron
  • Tachyon
  • String theory
  • Various interpretations of Schrodinger's Cat
  • The difference between Macro- and Micro- physics

Right. No bogus claims to see here. Move along.

You could list claims made by theoretical physics. All of those things are truly theoretical and can be proven false. That's what good science is all about... proving a theory true or false. FE would fall within this realm except the difference between theoretical physics and FE is that FE includes conspiracy theories which cannot be tested. Also, theoretical physicists will accept evidence proving their claims are wrong where FErs will not.

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Re: South Polar Base
« Reply #149 on: October 16, 2011, 12:43:01 PM »

  • Higgs boson
  • Gravitron
  • Tachyon
  • String theory
  • Various interpretations of Schrodinger's Cat
  • The difference between Macro- and Micro- physics

Right. No bogus claims to see here. Move along.

You could list claims made by theoretical physics. All of those things are truly theoretical and can be proven false. That's what good science is all about... proving a theory true or false. FE would fall within this realm except the difference between theoretical physics and FE is that FE includes conspiracy theories which cannot be tested. Also, theoretical physicists will accept evidence proving their claims are wrong where FErs will not.

You forgot to add that all the properties of these theoretical things fit the world we see around us whereas FE theories such as UA and the hilarious bendy light do not. In order to make FE physics fit the real world, you have to ignore actual data.

Furthermore, Higgs Boson: nobody claims with certainty it exists, hence the construction of the LHC to see if it does. If I was Pizza Planet or John Davis I would ask what an amusemrnt ride has to do with anything but I think by Gravitron you mean Graviton, again a theoretical particle that scientists are investigating the existence of rather than stating concretely that it exists. Tachyons remain entirely theoretical with nobody that I've ever heard of in the field of physics ever claiming there to be anything other than extremely tenuous evidence for them. String theory is just that, a theory that is able to reconcile several disparate aspects of physics but which is extremely difficult to investigate or prove. Nobody claims it's a definite description of reality. Schrodinger's cat is a thought experiment of no relevance to the provision of evidence. The difference between micro and macro physics - requires a more comprehensive theory of everything to be totally sewn up, hence ongoing investigation into Higgs Bosons, gravitons, string theory etc.
So yeah, your list is kinda pointless.
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