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one simple question
« on: July 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM »
there is one massive question the flat earth society fails to answer wholly. and it is the most fundamental question of all


WHY !


i am a physics man, i believe in something i can see and look at and observe its behaviour so i can understand it. everything i know and have studied proves the earth to be a spheroid. yet you provide no physical evidence of the flatness. a flat earth simply could not hold together and would not obey the natural laws of physics. no i understand the theory of Dark energy, hey it is something i can relate to through my study of astrophysics. but the concept is wrong simple as that. you cannot provide any experiments or evidence to support that idea yet there are evidence and experiments to prove otherwise.

ok so ignoring the laws of physics and the nonsense that you have to counter it. what financial benefit does anybody have to gain from this ? is there unlimited resources at this ice wall, gold ? oil ? gas ? something of value.... more value then anything else on the earth would have to be there to justify the costs involved. in this world people look after number 1 and no body but no body would invest in something like this just to hide it from people ?

now your argument might be that it doesn't cost a lot of money with the hundred guards or so and the 4 people that know. but the fact is humans being humans and maths being maths would have figured it all out by now.

and the fact is look at how many  books and guides and physics white papers and all that... your basicly calling the human race stupid.... which i might point out the server for this website, the computer for this rant, the cars you drive the buildings you work inm the pyramids! all these amazing feats of human ability and your trying to tell me that we are so blind stupid to believe the earth is round ! come on.

so answer me why. and give me a straight answer and give me some proof !
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 12:10:51 PM »
This is all so that the can pocket NASA's budget    :)
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 12:19:30 PM »
Stick him with the others.  :)

There are a couple of theories about this. One is that they faked the first missions, and simply had no choice once they found out. Another is that they're doing it for the NASA budget (and, of course, the KFC blood money).
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 12:20:00 PM »
Quote from: oblate_spheroid on July 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
a flat earth simply could not hold together and would not obey the natural laws of physics.
This is just talking from the top of your head. How do you know? You have absolutely no frame of reference at all. How do you know what it takes to hold a planet together? Have you tried to heap a crumbling planet together? You are stood on this intact one. On a flattish bit. As am I. As is everyone. Because its flattish. If the earth is flat, the natural laws are doing a pretty good job of holding it together, and the theory isn't right.

Quote from: oblate_spheroid on July 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
my study of astrophysics.
Its funny we never get anyone with just a high school education. You will be delighted to meet all the astronauts, NASA agents and Antarctic researchers we get here. ::)

Anyway, your questions all revolve around Conspiracy theory. You ask a great many, so rather than me regurgitate a question that has been answered many many many times before, allow me to link you to the answer.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=6308.msg71968#msg71968

Oh, and welcome to FES. ;)
« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 12:26:48 PM by Thork »
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 12:37:01 PM »
Quote from: Thork on July 14, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Quote from: oblate_spheroid on July 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
a flat earth simply could not hold together and would not obey the natural laws of physics.
This is just talking from the top of your head. How do you know? You have absolutely no frame of reference at all. How do you know what it takes to hold a planet together? Have you tried to heap a crumbling planet together? You are stood on this intact one. On a flattish bit. As am I. As is everyone. Because its flattish. If the earth is flat, the natural laws are doing a pretty good job of holding it together, and the theory isn't right.

Quote from: oblate_spheroid on July 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
my study of astrophysics.
Its funny we never get anyone with just a high school education. You will be delighted to meet all the astronauts, NASA agents and Antarctic researchers we get here. ::)

Anyway, you questions all revolve around Conspiracy theory. You ask a great many, so rather than me regurgitate a question that has been answered many many many times before, allow me to link you to the answer.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=6308.msg71968#msg71968

Oh, and welcome to FES. ;)


firstly, thank you for your welcome

i have a very good frame of reference in my studies of the solar system, which i have observed with my own eyes through some very powerful telescopes.

i would like to understand your frame of reference for proving the earth is flat, to disprove the evidence i have to prove otherwise.

secondly i have already read through that link and like i say it does not answer the question of why? it sort of does but doesn't

now i understand the concept of getting the NASA budget, but how much would be left after all the people who work there get paid. and secondly NASA hasn't been a round for all that long and people have calculated the curvature of the earth long before any space flight ? ok they may be now taking the budget of NASA but what about before that ?

lastly like i said the hundreds if not thousands of books and publications out there by hundreds of thousands of different people all agreeing on the roundness of the earth. all agreeing on the laws of physics, all agreeing on gravity. are you claiming all these people, recognised intelligent people, are wrong? or have been paid to do this ? I have spent years studying this, spoke to countless experts.

All i want is proof, not conspiracy not words. PROOF i am very open minded and will listen to anything anyone has to say. but i do ask everyone remains polite.

just had a thought, what a bout independent space pioneers, like those from the X prize, and independent satalite missions ?


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Re: one simple question
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 12:44:10 PM »
Dont forget the approximate 58,000 professional land surveyors in the united states alone.  They would have to be in on the scam too, as they correct for the curvature of the earth every day.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 12:45:45 PM »
Quote from: Theodolite on July 14, 2011, 12:44:10 PM
Dont forget the approximate 58,000 professional land surveyors in the united states alone.  They would have to be in on the scam too, as they correct for the curvature of the earth every day.

are you flatter or rounder ?
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 06:32:03 PM »
Quote from: oblate_spheroid on July 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
there is one massive question the flat earth society fails to answer wholly. and it is the most fundamental question of all


WHY !


i am a physics man, i believe in something i can see and look at and observe its behaviour so i can understand it. everything i know and have studied proves the earth to be a spheroid. yet you provide no physical evidence of the flatness. a flat earth simply could not hold together and would not obey the natural laws of physics. no i understand the theory of Dark energy, hey it is something i can relate to through my study of astrophysics. but the concept is wrong simple as that. you cannot provide any experiments or evidence to support that idea yet there are evidence and experiments to prove otherwise.

ok so ignoring the laws of physics and the nonsense that you have to counter it. what financial benefit does anybody have to gain from this ? is there unlimited resources at this ice wall, gold ? oil ? gas ? something of value.... more value then anything else on the earth would have to be there to justify the costs involved. in this world people look after number 1 and no body but no body would invest in something like this just to hide it from people ?

now your argument might be that it doesn't cost a lot of money with the hundred guards or so and the 4 people that know. but the fact is humans being humans and maths being maths would have figured it all out by now.

and the fact is look at how many  books and guides and physics white papers and all that... your basicly calling the human race stupid.... which i might point out the server for this website, the computer for this rant, the cars you drive the buildings you work inm the pyramids! all these amazing feats of human ability and your trying to tell me that we are so blind stupid to believe the earth is round ! come on.

so answer me why. and give me a straight answer and give me some proof !

Ive already asked this question, in different words. NASA gets a substantial budget everyyear that could very well be pocketed without people finding out, because noone has any reason to believe anything other then what has been told to them. If you were a florensic accountant or PI, would you waste time and rescources to investigate such a wild claim?

Thats the problem I have with this, some seem to claim they have been attacked by NASA's secret intelligance force, the KFC, but if that were the case, this conspiracy would be easy to be brought to light. An intelligance force needs a head quarters, money, people, people to train people, computers... All they would have to do is prove it exists and that would be an answer to your "why?" question, (at least it would mean there is an answer to it), but they dont seem willing to do so, and if they have already done so I cant find anything about it.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2011, 09:36:04 PM »
Quote from: oblate_spheroid on July 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
there is one massive question the flat earth society fails to answer wholly. and it is the most fundamental question of all


WHY !


i am a physics man


If you are a physics man why are you asking a purely philosophical question?
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2011, 06:19:24 PM »
so much hard evidence given by the FE's once again, i dunno about you but im convinced  ;)

all those government agencies in many countries around the world have done a fantastic job of covering up the fact that the earth is flat, and when you think about all the people that would have to be involved in the administration of keeping the truth under wraps makes it quite amazing when you think about it!

Of course this has been at huge expense to the tax payer but hey......im sure the benefits of making 7 billion people believe they are living on a spherical planet far outweigh the costs involved

wait.........what are the benefits? oh yes financial gain, however it would cost millions of $ in the first place to keep the truth covered up.

so what were the benefits again?
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2011, 08:30:11 PM »
Quote from: elliotuk on July 17, 2011, 06:19:24 PM
so much hard evidence given by the FE's once again, i dunno about you but im convinced  ;)

all those government agencies in many countries around the world have done a fantastic job of covering up the fact that the earth is flat, and when you think about all the people that would have to be involved in the administration of keeping the truth under wraps makes it quite amazing when you think about it!

Of course this has been at huge expense to the tax payer but hey......im sure the benefits of making 7 billion people believe they are living on a spherical planet far outweigh the costs involved

wait.........what are the benefits? oh yes financial gain, however it would cost millions of $ in the first place to keep the truth covered up.

so what were the benefits again?

NASA doesn't operate in the millions of dollars.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2011, 08:42:50 PM »
Someone should have already said this already:

Why? For the truth.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2011, 05:55:06 AM »
Quote from: Vindictus on July 17, 2011, 08:42:50 PM
Someone should have already said this already:

Why? For the truth.

another tf2 player :D

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Re: one simple question
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2011, 05:01:58 PM »
Quote from: elliotuk on July 18, 2011, 05:55:06 AM
Quote from: Vindictus on July 17, 2011, 08:42:50 PM
Someone should have already said this already:

Why? For the truth.

another tf2 player :D

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Re: one simple question
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2011, 07:38:57 PM »
Quote from: elliotuk on July 17, 2011, 06:19:24 PM
so much hard evidence given by the FE's once again, i dunno about you but im convinced  ;)

all those government agencies in many countries around the world have done a fantastic job of covering up the fact that the earth is flat, and when you think about all the people that would have to be involved in the administration of keeping the truth under wraps makes it quite amazing when you think about it!

Of course this has been at huge expense to the tax payer but hey......im sure the benefits of making 7 billion people believe they are living on a spherical planet far outweigh the costs involved

wait.........what are the benefits? oh yes financial gain, however it would cost millions of $ in the first place to keep the truth covered up.

so what were the benefits again?

Questioning the motif isnt doing anything, as an author (well, soon to be) who spends a lot of time writing fiction I can assure  you how easy it is come up with reasons to lie about the roundness of the earth, I could probably come up with twenty in 5 minutes or less, but it wouldnt get anyone anywhere, and it isnt proving the flat earthers wrong because, like I said, I can easily come up with plenty of motifs even though I havent thought about it. Maybe its an anti religeous conspiracy? I dont think so, but I can probably write a twenty page documant about it that would make sense.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2011, 08:48:37 AM »
anyone who doesn't believe in the theory sorry guys we can't win... because all of the FE believers can bend the rules and say there are conspiracies all they want they will always win they can adapt FET Which isn't a theory  at all to intercept your arguments... you will just have to be satisfied with the fact that it IS a fake and that the FE'ers ass they call themselves will die with their lie (oh and you guys are still a Cult in my book)
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2011, 09:05:15 AM »
Quote from: Trollin-R-Us on July 25, 2011, 08:48:37 AM
Nobody can prove that FET is wrong.

I agree.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2011, 09:16:09 AM »
Quote from: Verrine on July 25, 2011, 09:05:15 AM
Quote from: Trollin-R-Us on July 25, 2011, 08:48:37 AM
Nobody can prove that FET is wrong.

I agree.

Which is a very bad thing.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2011, 12:42:31 PM »
Quote from: oblate_spheroid on July 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
i am a physics man,

This is your problem. You are so wound up in your "laws" and "proofs" that you fail to recognise what counts the most. The unconditional love from an innocent child. I am not a physics man and I have no difficulty proving the earth is flat. I can see it with my own eyes. I do not need slide rules to see bathers on another beach across a bay with my telescope. What use are electric valves when I can simply prove the earth is accelerating by stepping off a chair?

Please read Earth Not A Globe By Dr. Samuel "Parallax" Birley Rowbotham M.D.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2011, 02:17:54 PM »
Quote from: Verrine on July 25, 2011, 09:05:15 AM
Quote from: Trollin-R-Us on July 25, 2011, 08:48:37 AM
Nobody can prove that FET is wrong.

I agree.
Same.
You heard it from Verrine, FET is a religious cult.
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Re: one simple question
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2011, 02:22:02 PM »
Quote from: Puttah on July 25, 2011, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: Verrine on July 25, 2011, 09:05:15 AM
Quote from: Trollin-R-Us on July 25, 2011, 08:48:37 AM
Nobody can prove that FET is wrong.

I agree.
Same.
You heard it from Verrine, FET is a religious cult.

Don't twist his words.
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