Age of the earth?

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Age of the earth?
« on: July 06, 2011, 09:22:33 PM »
how old is the age of the earth? Can anything travel faster than the speed of light?

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 09:23:33 PM »
1. Pretty old.

2. No.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 09:24:47 PM »
1. How old? give a number

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 09:31:53 PM »
"Q: "What about gravity?"

A1: In the dark energy model, DE accelerates the Earth and all celestial bodies in the universe at 9.81m/s2. This is commonly known as Universal Acceleration, which produces the same effect as "gravity" in our local reference frame. See: Equivalence Principle.

A2: In both the McIntyre and the Bishop model, the Earth is being pushed up by the Universal Accelerator underneath it at 9.8m/s2. This mediates observable gravitational effects in our local reference frame. "


So. Let me get this straight, the earth is moving upward at a constant acceleration of 9.8m/s^2? Does this upward movement have a terminal velocity?

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 10:13:23 PM »
1. How old? give a number

At least 4.5 billion years old.

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So. Let me get this straight, the earth is moving upward at a constant acceleration of 9.8m/s^2? Does this upward movement have a terminal velocity?

The earth continually accelerates upwards at 1g. No, there is no terminal velocity. No, it will never reach the speed of light.
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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 10:15:19 PM »
The earth continually accelerates upwards at 1g. No, there is no terminal velocity. No, it will never reach the speed of light.

Kind of anticipating, aren't you?  You don't know for sure that'll be his next question.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 10:16:23 PM »
It won't reach the speed of light? why not?

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 10:17:42 PM »
It won't reach the speed of light? why not?


Oh crap, I'm sorry I ever doubted you Tom.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 10:19:34 PM »
in matter of fact it would reach the speed of light in less than a year:

9.8m/s^2 * 60s/min * 60min/hr* 24hr/day* 365day/year multiplying this out gives us
30904280 m/(sec*yr)
30904280 m/(sec*yr) * x = 299792458m/s
x=.97

Set this equal to the speed of light with a constant acceleration of 9.8m/s^2 the earth would pass the speed of light in a year. Now that the model of gravity for these two "theories" has been mathematically disproven, please remove from the faq.

please explain what limits the earth from going past C..

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 10:20:02 PM »
in matter of fact it would reach the speed of light in less than a year:

9.8m/s^2 * 60s/min * 60min/hr* 24hr/day* 365day/year multiplying this out gives us
30904280 m/(sec*yr)

Set this equal to the speed of light with a constant acceleration of 9.8m/s^2 the earth would pass the speed of light in a year. Now that the model of gravity for these two "theories" has been mathematically disproven, please remove from the faq.

please explain what limits the earth from going past C..

Special relativity.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 10:23:02 PM »
obviously. the acceleration can't be a constant 9.8m/s^2. the earth would be traveling 4.5 billion times the speed of light.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 10:26:08 PM »
Quote from: The FAQ
Q: "If the Earth's acceleration is constant, wouldn't it be traveling faster than light eventually?"

A: The equations of Special Relativity prevent an object with mass from reaching or passing the speed of light. Due to this restriction, these equations prove that the Earth can accelerate at a constant rate forever in our reference frame and never reach the speed of light. Click here for an in depth explanation.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 10:29:45 PM »
You guys like landover baptist church? I'm a member. I like being on my knees and praising jesus.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 10:31:40 PM »
You guys like landover baptist church? I'm a member. I like being on my knees and praising jesus.

Please keep it on topic.  Nobody cares about your religious beliefs.
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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2011, 10:32:42 PM »
brilliant.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2011, 10:34:43 PM »
brilliant.

Sir, we have a rule about low-content posting in the discussion forums.  If you have something to say, say it.  Otherwise, please don't post.  Consider this a warning.
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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2011, 10:35:58 PM »
obviously. the acceleration can't be a constant 9.8m/s^2. the earth would be traveling 4.5 billion times the speed of light.

When you look at equations from Special Relativity, you will find this will never happen. The relevant equation is v/c = tanh (at/c). Since tanh(at/c) is always less than 1, you can never reach the speed of light.

brilliant.

Sir, we have a rule about low-content posting in the discussion forums.  If you have something to say, say it.  Otherwise, please don't post.  Consider this a warning.

Inb4 low content post and ban.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2011, 10:39:27 PM »
Yes, I am aware of the speed of light limit from relativity. Yet, the response just links to another thread that goes on a nonsequitor.
So how fast is the earth accelerating currently?
How fast is the earth traveling currently?
What is pushing the earth upwards?
Do you guys really believe this stuff? or are most of you guys just screwing around for the fun factor? mental gymnastics..

Also, Bans are useless when you have tor...
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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 10:55:50 PM »
Yes, I am aware of the speed of light limit from relativity. Yet, the response just links to another thread that goes on a nonsequitor.

Justify this statement.

So how fast is the earth accelerating currently?

~9.8m/s2

How fast is the earth traveling currently?

I would not be able to know. It is accelerating, remember?

What is pushing the earth upwards?

Dark Energy.

Do you guys really believe this stuff? or are most of you guys just screwing around for the fun factor? mental gymnastics..

Not every member of this site believes it. Many people here are RE'ers like yourself. The mod you are currently in a thread with in fact is  RE'er. However, there are also many members that are FE'ers, and do believe the Earth is flat. Sure, there are some members here for fun, but the site itself is very serious. Many members here have in fact opened Flat Earth Society chapters in their towns.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2011, 11:00:49 PM »
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Let's say Bob stayed behind on Earth.  He measures the Earth's acceleration to be g = 9.8 m/s^2 -- the same way you might measure the accleration of the automobile going around the curve.  According to special relativity, Alice will measure a different acceleration -- in particular, she will measure it to be g/γ^3, where γ = 1/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2).  In other words, we have the following differential equation for the velocity v of the Earth:  dv/dt = g/γ^3.

The solution to this equation is v = gt / sqrt( 1 + g^2t^2 / c^2 ), or v = g / sqrt(1/t^2 + g^2/c^2).  We are interested in the infinite time limit of v -- i.e. what happens to v as we wait an arbitrarily long time.  As t --> ∞, v --> g / sqrt(g^2/c^2) = c.

uh...dv/dt= g/(1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)^3) would be dv/dt= g*(1-v^2/c^2)^3/2....so there would be no speed limit by this equation since there is no asymptotic limit.  so that kinda destroys that argument...
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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2011, 11:36:08 PM »
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Let's say Bob stayed behind on Earth.  He measures the Earth's acceleration to be g = 9.8 m/s^2 -- the same way you might measure the accleration of the automobile going around the curve.  According to special relativity, Alice will measure a different acceleration -- in particular, she will measure it to be g/γ^3, where γ = 1/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2).  In other words, we have the following differential equation for the velocity v of the Earth:  dv/dt = g/γ^3.

The solution to this equation is v = gt / sqrt( 1 + g^2t^2 / c^2 ), or v = g / sqrt(1/t^2 + g^2/c^2).  We are interested in the infinite time limit of v -- i.e. what happens to v as we wait an arbitrarily long time.  As t --> ∞, v --> g / sqrt(g^2/c^2) = c.

uh...dv/dt= g/(1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)^3) would be dv/dt= g*(1-v^2/c^2)^3/2....so there would be no speed limit by this equation since there is no asymptotic limit.  so that kinda destroys that argument...

Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 03:06:25 AM »
You guys like landover baptist church? I'm a member. I like being on my knees and praising jesus.

Oh my god... Quite a while ago I had an involvement with the guys over there on that forum...
They're even more ridiculous than Tom Bishop and friends. If you act out, they'll ban you and promise eternal damnation on you. It's retarded.
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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2011, 05:11:28 AM »
While I hate to admit anything the flattists say is correct, they ARE right about the ability of an object to accelerate indefinitely without reaching the speed of light. However, its all academic because the earth is not accelerating, since we have gravity, which has been proved by the Cavendish experiment as any fule kno. (Cue the RDC* coming in and claiming the Cavendish Experiment doesnt work).

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2011, 07:49:10 AM »
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Let's say Bob stayed behind on Earth.  He measures the Earth's acceleration to be g = 9.8 m/s^2 -- the same way you might measure the accleration of the automobile going around the curve.  According to special relativity, Alice will measure a different acceleration -- in particular, she will measure it to be g/γ^3, where γ = 1/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2).  In other words, we have the following differential equation for the velocity v of the Earth:  dv/dt = g/γ^3.

The solution to this equation is v = gt / sqrt( 1 + g^2t^2 / c^2 ), or v = g / sqrt(1/t^2 + g^2/c^2).  We are interested in the infinite time limit of v -- i.e. what happens to v as we wait an arbitrarily long time.  As t --> ∞, v --> g / sqrt(g^2/c^2) = c.

uh...dv/dt= g/(1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)^3) would be dv/dt= g*(1-v^2/c^2)^3/2....so there would be no speed limit by this equation since there is no asymptotic limit.  so that kinda destroys that argument...

Are you saying that you're smarter than Einstein?


I'm not aware of that being part of einstein's equations... and its simple algebra..

You guys like landover baptist church? I'm a member. I like being on my knees and praising jesus.

Oh my god... Quite a while ago I had an involvement with the guys over there on that forum...
They're even more ridiculous than Tom Bishop and friends. If you act out, they'll ban you and promise eternal damnation on you. It's retarded.


Yeah...you know landover is a joke right? The church doesn't actually exist. I Suspect the same thing here, most of them are faking.
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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2011, 08:11:43 AM »
Yeah...you know landover is a joke right? The church doesn't actually exist. I Suspect the same thing here, most of them are faking.

Think what you wish, but many members here have had interviews about the Flat Earth Society with reputable groups such as BBC.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2011, 05:03:17 PM »
1.) According to Rowbotham (their prophet), the world was formed comparatively recently, whatever that could mean.

2.) Oh, another Einstein-skeptic. Well, he did claim that his math wasn't great, but I'm going to gamble a bit and trust his thinking over yours.
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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2011, 05:54:27 PM »
You can safely say that Mr Einstein really knew his math and that Dr Rowbotham really knew his Earth shape.  They can both be respected for their areas of expertise.

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Re: Age of the earth?
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2011, 02:30:32 PM »
Except Einstein wasn't a math expert, he was a theoretical physicist.  But yes, his math was obviously correct.
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2011, 02:32:27 PM »
Except Einstein wasn't a math expert, he was a theoretical physicist.  But yes, his math was obviously correct.

Can you be an expert in theoretical physics without being an expert in math?

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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2011, 02:34:11 PM »
Except Einstein wasn't a math expert, he was a theoretical physicist.  But yes, his math was obviously correct.

Can you be an expert in theoretical physics without being an expert in math?
Yes, by his own admission math was not his strong suit.  Also, just in theory at least, physics does not math to exist as its own field.  There's a landmark book I believe on this that I can dig up from my closet if you want a source.  Though I imagine its cited on wikipedia somewhere.
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