Earth light

Does the Earth generate its own light was well? How is it generated?
My thought if if a blinding light from our spherical sun can shine up to 1/2 of our giant disc. it surely can illuminate other heavenly objects such as the planets and the moon.

My guess is they are all illuminated by the sun, it makes the most sense. How can the sun "not" shine on the moon, when sometimes they get only 200 miles apart? But it can shine on the earth?

I like the way you think. A, "well it is possible" mentality rather than a, "im stubborn and its impossible," mentality.

my guess since non of the FAQ'ers responded that Earth , the planets, and the moon are all lit by the sun.
Makes the most sense.

thanks

I dunno about the stars, but that's an interesting way to look at it. A flat Earth model with a sun that lit up the moon would make the most sense. You'd probably have to have the moon slightly higher than the sun for it to work.

How do you make sense of this event?

Denial and willful ignorance, mostly.

Denial and willful ignorance, mostly.

These kind of posts are not welcome in the upper forums.

Where is the "iwanttobelieve model?" I think you should work on a model that has a moon that is lit by the sun because it's less stupid than any other flat Earth model.

Does the Earth generate its own light was well? How is it generated?
My thought if if a blinding light from our spherical sun can shine up to 1/2 of our giant disc. it surely can illuminate other heavenly objects such as the planets and the moon.

My guess is they are all illuminated by the sun, it makes the most sense. How can the sun "not" shine on the moon, when sometimes they get only 200 miles apart? But it can shine on the earth?

Picture the flat earth model in your head.  Would a moon illuminated by the sun hold up to observation?  Think about where the moon is relative to the sun during different phases, think about which direction the lit portion points, and think about the location from which the moon is being observed.  Can you think of any way for the same phase to be seen from all places on earth that can see the moon?  Should people living between the moon and the sun not see most of the lit part of the moon, and people living "behind" the moon see not only a sliver of light? (assuming a spherical moon)

in what is seel, which i willfully admit to taking the best of Willmires and Davis;s theory's,
the earth is a giant disc, all other heavenly objects are spheres. The sun illuminates all planets and moons,
the stars may or may not illuminate other regions  of the Earth not illuminated by our sun.

The moon is illuminated by the sun. There is no conspiracy. Space travel is possible.
There is no "actual" ice wall, its just a metaphor for where the sun no longer shines, and Antarctica is a separate continent.

I am still in the progress of writing a more sensible FAQ. hoping to get Wilmores  and others input,

Also, I do not believe in hate, and do not condone IN ANY function, the hatred spewed against NASA and other space agencies. These are very hard working people just trying to make a living.
It it beyond my belief how these hate spewers have not been banned.

in what is see, which i willfully admit to taking the best of Willmires and Davis;s theory's,
the earth is a giant disc, all other heavenly objects are spheres. The sun illuminates all planets and moons,
the stars may or may not illuminate other regions  of the Earth not illuminated by our sun.

The moon is illuminated by the sun. There is no conspiracy. Space travel is possible.
There is no "actual" ice wall, its just a metaphor for where the sun no longer shines, and Antarctica is a separate continent.

Fine but this is, to me, the more important part of my question:

Can you think of any way for the same phase to be seen from all places on earth that can see the moon?  Should people living between the moon and the sun not see most of the lit part of the moon, and people living "behind" the moon see not only a sliver of light?

How do you make sense of this event?

You can clearly see a weather system obstructing the natural light of the moon.

How do you know it is a weather system?

You can clearly see a weather system obstructing the natural light of the moon.

Since when do weather systems have such a distinct edge across an entire body? 

Quote from: General Disarray on July 06, 2011, 03:50:18 PM

Denial and willful ignorance, mostly.

These kind of posts are not welcome in the upper forums.

I consider Brother Disarrays post to be extremely accurate and truthful and answers the question very well. Im not surprised you dont welcome the truth when it is that the FES deny and ignore stuff.

Quote from: Jamesing on July 06, 2011, 01:45:34 PM

How do you make sense of this event?

You can clearly see a weather system obstructing the natural light of the moon.

You can clearly see the shadow of the earth on the moon.
Also Davis, how come we can predict the appearance of a "weather system" on the moon to the exact minute using a system that you say is based on false celestial motions, yet we cant predict what the weather will do on earth so accurately? Bit odd dont you think? Might that be because its not a weather system?

Quote from: Jamesing on July 06, 2011, 01:45:34 PM

How do you make sense of this event?

You can clearly see a weather system obstructing the natural light of the moon.

I clearly see a circular arc shaped dark area, filled with red.  Nothing indicates that this is weather.  I cannot identify any cloud-like appearance.  It is, however, consistent with the thoery of the edge of a round earth casting a shadow on the moon, with the Earth's atmosphere refracting light inward and scattering blue light, causing the shadow to be illuminated by the refracted, blue-filtered light.  Coincidentally, this same scattering explains why the sky is blue, and sunsets are red.  The red area of the moon is literally experiencing a sunset, recieving light only from a red, and distorted sun.  The fact that lunar eclipses occur precisely in the middle of the full moon phase, consistent with the idea that the moon is on the far side of the Earth from the Sun, and thus passing through the Earth's shadow. This however is no more confirmed (disregarding possible claims from space agencies) than the alleged weather patterns, so readers will simply have to decide for themselves which theory is most likely to be true.

Since the atmosphere is less on the moon and relative forces that are influencing the weather system are far more regular than those on earth for obvious reasons its clear to see why its motion is so predictable.  The edge is hardly well defined, I can see it fade off as the gaseous system dissipates.  The red color is consistent with the color that would be produced when one examines the effect of the weather systems chemical make up.

I would like to see the evidence you used to allow you to draw those conclusions.

Well first off I used my eyes to see the obvious weather system (at least its obvious to me.)  The weather system is sparce based off what we know of the moon atmosphere and its creation.  From both its creation (through fissuring and sputtering from internal breakdowns, for example radioactive decay of gasses in the crust and mantle etc) and objects we have gathered from the moon (blood rain, manna, rocks, etc) we know of at least some of the compounds and elements that can be found there.  From there its simple research.

I see you have again confused "saying things" with "presenting evidence".

Well first off I used my eyes to see the obvious weather system (at least its obvious to me.)  The weather system is sparce based off what we know of the moon atmosphere and its creation.  From both its creation (through fissuring and sputtering from internal breakdowns, for example radioactive decay of gasses in the crust and mantle etc) and objects we have gathered from the moon (blood rain, manna, rocks, etc) we know of at least some of the compounds and elements that can be found there.  From there its simple research.

And people slap my wrist for saying he is a troll...

I see you have again confused "saying things" with "presenting evidence".

I'll have much more conclusive information available in my book.  However, that should be enough information for any interested party to research for themselves if they can't wait 2 months (hopefully!)

Quote from: John Davis on July 12, 2011, 11:30:26 PM

Well first off I used my eyes to see the obvious weather system (at least its obvious to me.)  The weather system is sparce based off what we know of the moon atmosphere and its creation.  From both its creation (through fissuring and sputtering from internal breakdowns, for example radioactive decay of gasses in the crust and mantle etc) and objects we have gathered from the moon (blood rain, manna, rocks, etc) we know of at least some of the compounds and elements that can be found there.  From there its simple research.

And people slap my wrist for saying he is a troll...

If you are going to post contentless posts, please do them in random musings.  Trolling these threads to get a rise out of me will result in a ban.  I don't want to ban anyone, but if you continue to flaunt wanton disregard for the rules you will have to be punished.

Quote from: Skeleton on July 13, 2011, 05:46:29 AM

Quote from: John Davis on July 12, 2011, 11:30:26 PM

Well first off I used my eyes to see the obvious weather system (at least its obvious to me.)  The weather system is sparce based off what we know of the moon atmosphere and its creation.  From both its creation (through fissuring and sputtering from internal breakdowns, for example radioactive decay of gasses in the crust and mantle etc) and objects we have gathered from the moon (blood rain, manna, rocks, etc) we know of at least some of the compounds and elements that can be found there.  From there its simple research.

And people slap my wrist for saying he is a troll...

If you are going to post contentless posts, please do them in random musings.  Trolling these threads to get a rise out of me will result in a ban.  I don't want to ban anyone, but if you continue to flaunt wanton disregard for the rules you will have to be punished.

It is not contentless, it is an ironically-toned comment that I find your explanation of why your "evidence" for a weather system on the moon stretches the bounds of credulity to the point where I think you do not hold the view you purport to. I think most people reading the comment would grasp that from my singe simple sentence.

If you wish to dispute moderation, please do so in the appropriate forum (S&C) rather than continuing to derail this thread.

Since the atmosphere is less on the moon and relative forces that are influencing the weather system are far more regular than those on earth for obvious reasons its clear to see why its motion is so predictable.  The edge is hardly well defined, I can see it fade off as the gaseous system dissipates.  The red color is consistent with the color that would be produced when one examines the effect of the weather systems chemical make up.

Based on the assumption that the moon has atmosphere.  I hardly believe you went to the moon and saw atmosphere.  And what experiments have you performed that allow you to conclude that weather moves more predicatbly in a thinner atmosphere? 

I have directly tracked the moon, relative to the sun and observed its changes in phase relative to the sun.  The lit part always faces the sun, which is completely in line with the round moon orbiting round earth theory, which is testable with simple geometric models.  You can simulate moon phases with a baseball.  If the moon is up during the day, stand in the sunlight and hold a ball up to the moon, and it will have the exact same phase as the moon.  Move the baseball towards your head's shadow, it will go to full, eclipse as it passes through the shadow, then back to full, going to quarter, then to crescent, eclipse the sun, back to crescent, etc... exactly in the same pattern and relative distances from the sun with respect to phase as the moon. 

Well first off I used my eyes to see the obvious weather system (at least its obvious to me.)  The weather system is sparce based off what we know of the moon atmosphere and its creation.  From both its creation (through fissuring and sputtering from internal breakdowns, for example radioactive decay of gasses in the crust and mantle etc) and objects we have gathered from the moon (blood rain, manna, rocks, etc) we know of at least some of the compounds and elements that can be found there.  From there its simple research.

I don't know anything about this fissuring and sputtering, but I don't see the logical connection to its origin.  And how do you know these blood rains, manna, and rocks came from the moon?  Did you see them break off of the moon and fall?, or did they just come out of the sky, and you assumed they came from the moon?

John, would you call these storms a "moonsoon?"

John, would you call these storms a "moonsoon?"

Thats a clever name for it, ha.

Quote from: John Davis on July 12, 2011, 11:30:26 PM

Well first off I used my eyes to see the obvious weather system (at least its obvious to me.)  The weather system is sparce based off what we know of the moon atmosphere and its creation.  From both its creation (through fissuring and sputtering from internal breakdowns, for example radioactive decay of gasses in the crust and mantle etc) and objects we have gathered from the moon (blood rain, manna, rocks, etc) we know of at least some of the compounds and elements that can be found there.  From there its simple research.

I don't know anything about this fissuring and sputtering, but I don't see the logical connection to its origin.  And how do you know these blood rains, manna, and rocks came from the moon?  Did you see them break off of the moon and fall?, or did they just come out of the sky, and you assumed they came from the moon?

Its creation dictates its makeup which would give it colour.  They could have come from somewhere else, but as the moon is the closest body and they are extraterrestrial for now its reasonable to assume they have come from the moon.