Why would the government WANT to convince us the earth is round?

 Why? What would be the point of spending all of this money, just to trick people into thinking the earth is round? What good does it do for them? Is every astronomer, physicist, and rocket scientist... with multiple degrees from the best school's on the planet, wrong? Are they all in on it? If so, why? What do they stand to gain?

 I see a lot of people coming here to ask you guys the same questions you probably get over and over. I have yet to see a logical answer from any of you, but I will not ask those type of questions yet. I have yet to see anyone ask you THIS simple question.

Why? What would be the point of spending all of this money, just to trick people into thinking the earth is round? What good does it do for them? Is every astronomer, physicist, and rocket scientist... with multiple degrees from the best school's on the planet, wrong? Are they all in on it? If so, why? What do they stand to gain?

 I see a lot of people coming here to ask you guys the same questions you probably get over and over. I have yet to see a logical answer from any of you, but I will not ask those type of questions yet. I have yet to see anyone ask you THIS simple question.

I imagine the conspiracy don't know the earth is flat, they are merely lying about having gone into space.

Hazbollah is right.  The conspiracy is centered around faking space exploration, not deliberately trying to conceal the flat earth.  That would just be a silly display of cartoon villainy.

Imagine that you're a scientist working on space exploration in the 1960s. There is a very real threat of America and Russia engaging in global thermonuclear war. You discover something: Earth has a weak point. There's a wall of ice surrounding our planet which, if struck with atomic weaponry, would drain the oceans and vastly destroy our ecosystem to the point of making the planet uninhabitable for human life and most other life as well.

Would you wish to share this information to the world? Would you trust either superpower to not launch a couple of nukes at the ice wall out of spite in the moments impending the destruction of their country? It would be, I imagine, as a giant, final "screw you" to the world. People are crazy, bloodthirsty, unstable and greedy. That's why wars happen in the first place.

Earth can easily be destroyed, and it's best that most of humanity doesn't know about it.

Imagine that you're a scientist working on space exploration in the 1960s. There is a very real threat of America and Russia engaging in global thermonuclear war. You discover something: Earth has a weak point. There's a wall of ice surrounding our planet which, if struck with atomic weaponry, would drain the oceans and vastly destroy our ecosystem to the point of making the planet uninhabitable for human life and most other life as well.

Would you wish to share this information to the world? Would you trust either superpower to not launch a couple of nukes at the ice wall out of spite in the moments impending the destruction of their country? It would be, I imagine, as a giant, final "screw you" to the world. People are crazy, bloodthirsty, unstable and greedy. That's why wars happen in the first place.

Earth can easily be destroyed, and it's best that most of humanity doesn't know about it.

Uh, that's an interesting idea, Mr. First Post, but it isn't really supported by the evidence.

To sell designer globes covered in precious gems. Those things are expensive.

Uh, that's an interesting idea

Why thanks! It's pure speculation based on the idea of FET being the case, like everything around here is.

I don't actually believe any of it but it's fun to play around with the idea as if it was a neato sci-fi setting for a novel or something.

It's a really neato sci-fi setting.

To sell designer globes covered in precious gems. Those things are expensive.

Only you are stupid enough to buy one.

Quote from: sillyrob on June 28, 2011, 08:03:43 AM

To sell designer globes covered in precious gems. Those things are expensive.

Only you are stupid enough to buy one.

You don't think this looks cool?

there is no conspiracy coverup and even if there was it was so flawlessly it will never be proven.
Even one of thost intelligent people here believes the same, Master Davis.

A true zetetist doesnt make this up only to explain other things.

the FAQ gets it wrong once again.

Quote from: sillyrob on June 28, 2011, 08:03:43 AM

To sell designer globes covered in precious gems. Those things are expensive.

Only you are stupid enough to buy one.

People with millions and millions of dollars might be, but what better things do they have to spend their money on?

Imagine that you're a scientist working on space exploration in the 1960s. There is a very real threat of America and Russia engaging in global thermonuclear war. You discover something: Earth has a weak point. There's a wall of ice surrounding our planet which, if struck with atomic weaponry, would drain the oceans and vastly destroy our ecosystem to the point of making the planet uninhabitable for human life and most other life as well.

Would you wish to share this information to the world? Would you trust either superpower to not launch a couple of nukes at the ice wall out of spite in the moments impending the destruction of their country? It would be, I imagine, as a giant, final "screw you" to the world. People are crazy, bloodthirsty, unstable and greedy. That's why wars happen in the first place.

Earth can easily be destroyed, and it's best that most of humanity doesn't know about it.

 And you are basing all of this off of what information?

Quote from: pseudonym on June 28, 2011, 05:48:01 AM

Imagine that you're a scientist working on space exploration in the 1960s. There is a very real threat of America and Russia engaging in global thermonuclear war. You discover something: Earth has a weak point. There's a wall of ice surrounding our planet which, if struck with atomic weaponry, would drain the oceans and vastly destroy our ecosystem to the point of making the planet uninhabitable for human life and most other life as well.

Would you wish to share this information to the world? Would you trust either superpower to not launch a couple of nukes at the ice wall out of spite in the moments impending the destruction of their country? It would be, I imagine, as a giant, final "screw you" to the world. People are crazy, bloodthirsty, unstable and greedy. That's why wars happen in the first place.

Earth can easily be destroyed, and it's best that most of humanity doesn't know about it.

 And you are basing all of this off of what information?

If you read his second post then you will realise that he is intentially only basing it off pure speculation.

It is however the best reasoning for the conspiracy I have ever heared and makes much more sense than the crap the actual flat earthers come up with.

Imagine that you're a scientist working on space exploration in the 1960s. There is a very real threat of America and Russia engaging in global thermonuclear war. You discover something: Earth has a weak point. There's a wall of ice surrounding our planet which, if struck with atomic weaponry, would drain the oceans and vastly destroy our ecosystem to the point of making the planet uninhabitable for human life and most other life as well.

Would you wish to share this information to the world? Would you trust either superpower to not launch a couple of nukes at the ice wall out of spite in the moments impending the destruction of their country? It would be, I imagine, as a giant, final "screw you" to the world. People are crazy, bloodthirsty, unstable and greedy. That's why wars happen in the first place.

Earth can easily be destroyed, and it's best that most of humanity doesn't know about it.

 The dumbest part about this entire post. Is the fact that the bombs would destroy both countries, due to the fact that it would destroy our entire planet. There would be no point. No matter how "blood thirsty" you claim humans to be. Nobody is going to destroy our ENTIRE planet, including ourselves. Not even an entire innocent country. Also, we obviously aren't as "blood thirsty" as you claim. As neither of us hit each other with nuclear bombs. I would also think that these scientist's WOULD tell the people, to keep things like this from happening.

 Also, now that that era has passed, and we no longer have this russian nuclear threat. They would reveal the world to be flat, if it really was. Yes? I might add that the world was not discovered to be round in the 1960's. It was discovered hundred's, maybe thousands of years ago by the greeks. I forget the exact era. There was no such thing as nuclear weapons.

 I would also add, that if the world was really flat, and these scientist's were going to make up some conspiracy. Why would they make it be round? Why not just say it was flat, with no ice around it? Why go through all of the trouble?

 You still haven't answered why the world would spend BILLIONS of dollars, building these "fake" space stations, and space study. Along with having these fake launches. Not to mention, paying off literally thousands of scientist's, and "fake" astronaut's to go along with it.

 Not only does ANY of your arguments not have MUCH substance. IT HAS ZERO! You are outnumbered by trillions on the planet, and you are sticking to an argument WITH ZERO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT! Nothing but conspiracy theories in your head. YOU GUYS CAN'T EVEN GET A STORY STRAIGHT BETWEEN YOURSELVES! That's how pathetic this whole thing is. YOUR OWN FAQ PAGE, contradicts itself, and can't even get your story straight.

 You make up these RIDICULOUS excuses for why all of this evidence supporting a round earth is wrong. The "anti-moon" blocking an eclipse!? Really!? From what information did you come to this conclusion?

 The greatest astronomer's, physicist's, etc... in the world. Some of the brightest minds EVER have been in SOLID conclusion for a LONG time that the earth is in fact round. AT A 100 PERCENT RATE in fact. Are you people really this astronomically stupid to believe you are smarter than EVERY SINGLE one of these men to walk this earth? Or, are they all just paid off?

 Please, I am waiting for a response.

tl;dr

Quote from: glennrrglenn on June 29, 2011, 04:26:18 AM

tl;dr

With all the effort you took to change his post to an inappropriate picture, you could have made an on topic post.  Or, better yet, not posted at all.

With all the effort you took to change his post to an inappropriate picture, you could have made an on topic post.  Or, better yet, not posted at all.

In before he starts making unfunny jokes about you posting off-topic or whatever.

Seriously, though, Glenn, like Demouse just said, the post that you replied to was basically a joke.

Please, I am waiting for a response.

Well, it would certainly be rude of me not to respond in that case!

As explained, and restated by others, I do not believe in FET and my entire post was a complete fabrication. However, it's an interesting mental exercise and as such I shall strive to rebuke your points nevertheless!

There would be no point. No matter how "blood thirsty" you claim humans to be. Nobody is going to destroy our ENTIRE planet, including ourselves.

Let's imagine, once more, being in the shoes of the president of Russia. You are alerted that America struck first. Those capitalist pigs have launched enough nukes to cover your glorious motherland and you and your country will perish.

You could launch nukes back but what if America manages to shoot down your missiles before they reach? Your revenge would certainly not be sweet. But there is a different way. A way to make America suffer to the end of times, if not be as completely wiped out as you will be in a couple of hours. You can blow that ice wall up. They can't stop that. Sure, humanity as a whole will suffer for this but what do you care? You, your family and your entire country will be dead anyway!

Your argument, glernrrglenn, is that you have faith in no human being with the ability to launch a nuke to think like that. I think that's a little optimistic.

Also, we obviously aren't as "blood thirsty" as you claim. As neither of us hit each other with nuclear bombs.

It didn't happen, sure. Does that mean it couldn't have happened? Does that mean that you, as someone who discovered the weak point of the earth wouldn't feel much safer if you didn't reveal said weakness?

Also, now that that era has passed, and we no longer have this russian nuclear threat. They would reveal the world to be flat, if it really was. Yes?

But then the wall could be threatened sometime in the future if tension ever started again. There's also the matter of terrorists and crazies in general. Maybe nukes aren't even necessary? A dedicated group religious nutjobs could perhaps bury some explosives before anyone managed to stop them and make a crack wide enough for the pressure of the oceans to do the rest of the job. Better not to risk it.

I would also add, that if the world was really flat, and these scientist's were going to make up some conspiracy. Why would they make it be round? Why not just say it was flat, with no ice around it?

People would ask what kept the oceans in. Plus, everyone would want to see the edge of the world. Nobody cares about seeing the south pole.

You still haven't answered why the world would spend BILLIONS of dollars, building these "fake" space stations, and space study. Along with having these fake launches. Not to mention, paying off literally thousands of scientist's, and "fake" astronaut's to go along with it.

I believe I did, though! The best part about the "for the good of humanity" angle is that you wouldn't need to bribe people nearly as much for them to keep mum. You would only need to explain the real reason and make sure they agree.

The rest of the general rage isn't directed to me and as such I shall abstain from dignifying it. If you find any other holes in my hypothetical scenario I shall be happy to adress them.

The conspiracy is centered around faking space exploration, not deliberately trying to conceal the flat earth. 

Though to be fair, the act of which would be much harder than just going into space in the first place.

Why? What would be the point of spending all of this money, just to trick people into thinking the earth is round? What good does it do for them? Is every astronomer, physicist, and rocket scientist... with multiple degrees from the best school's on the planet, wrong? Are they all in on it? If so, why? What do they stand to gain?

 I see a lot of people coming here to ask you guys the same questions you probably get over and over. I have yet to see a logical answer from any of you, but I will not ask those type of questions yet. I have yet to see anyone ask you THIS simple question.

You could just as rightly scold so many different groups on this earth involved in a particular study of not having their stories straight.  There is disputation on all sorts of study.   Are you truly ignorant of this fact, do you really believe its FET alleged advocates who disagree on theory?  There is a great deal of speculation here, like many places.  Too many people like to live in a comforting simple world where there are few or no unaswered questions.(which is why propaganda works so well)
There would be no need to pay off thousands of people.  There is research being done now that could prove to greatly reduce the alleged complexity of the plot.  You do not know that  it costs billions of dollars to launch a rocket.  Based on that statement I suspect you are unaware of  NASA's budget. 

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on June 28, 2011, 04:18:34 AM

The conspiracy is centered around faking space exploration, not deliberately trying to conceal the flat earth. 

Though to be fair, the act of which would be much harder than just going into space in the first place.

Actually, extended space travel would be impossible because of Universal Acceleration, so pretty much anything would be easier than it.

Quote from: Death-T on July 01, 2011, 03:36:08 PM

Though to be fair, the act of which would be much harder than just going into space in the first place.

Actually, extended space travel would be impossible because of Universal Acceleration, so pretty much anything would be easier than it.

Nope. Addressing how to perfectly control the entire conspiracy so that not a single person gets away with the evidence is much harder than going into space while addressing a constant opposing force.

How could it be possible to be constantly fighting an opposite force with a limited amount of fuel?  With the current fuel that space agencies use, it would be impossible for their shuttles to last more than a few minutes in space.  Not very difficult, but physically impossible.  Anything that is possible (no matter how implausible) has to be easier than something that is impossible.

Why? What would be the point of spending all of this money, just to trick people into thinking the earth is round? What good does it do for them? Is every astronomer, physicist, and rocket scientist... with multiple degrees from the best school's on the planet, wrong? Are they all in on it? If so, why? What do they stand to gain?

 I see a lot of people coming here to ask you guys the same questions you probably get over and over. I have yet to see a logical answer from any of you, but I will not ask those type of questions yet. I have yet to see anyone ask you THIS simple question.

My personal take on it is...
The truth would prove the bible correct because it gives direct reference to how the earth and universe(single spoken sentence) were created.  The government gains nothing by proving the bible correct, because that gives evidence of thee God.  This is not a good position for the government as they need people to think they give rights, not God.  This holds true for many of the other fake science theories such as evolution as well.     

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on July 01, 2011, 05:11:26 PM

Quote from: Death-T on July 01, 2011, 03:36:08 PM

Though to be fair, the act of which would be much harder than just going into space in the first place.

Actually, extended space travel would be impossible because of Universal Acceleration, so pretty much anything would be easier than it.

Nope. Addressing how to perfectly control the entire conspiracy so that not a single person gets away with the evidence is much harder than going into space while addressing a constant opposing force.

It might not be as difficult as you think.  Especially with my theory regarding NASA's involvement with nanomachines.  This theory is still in its early development and is purley based on NASA's apparent interest in the tecchnology, and the suspected potential and capabilities of this technology.

Quote from: glennrrglenn on June 28, 2011, 02:23:08 AM

Why? What would be the point of spending all of this money, just to trick people into thinking the earth is round? What good does it do for them? Is every astronomer, physicist, and rocket scientist... with multiple degrees from the best school's on the planet, wrong? Are they all in on it? If so, why? What do they stand to gain?

 I see a lot of people coming here to ask you guys the same questions you probably get over and over. I have yet to see a logical answer from any of you, but I will not ask those type of questions yet. I have yet to see anyone ask you THIS simple question.

My personal take on it is...
The truth would prove the bible correct because it gives direct reference to how the earth and universe(single spoken sentence) were created.  The government gains nothing by proving the bible correct, because that gives evidence of thee God.  This is not a good position for the government as they need people to think they give rights, not God.  This holds true for many of the other fake science theories such as evolution as well.     

Many governments have been based around the church.  In the united states, the founders exclaimed in founding documents that the people were endowed with unaliable rights from god.  The idea was to place god in a higher position than that of the state so that everyone understood there were certain things you can never take from a people.  Even though some of them were deist's, they all still recognized christian/Judaic virtues as powerful civilizing forces.  The government (NASA) is not worried about that.  Plus, it would just as well prove the ko'ran as being correct as well so not much would change in the religious department.

Actually, extended space travel would be impossible because of Universal Acceleration...

That is, unless you can figure out some way of harnessing the UA.

My personal take on it is...
The truth would prove the bible correct because it gives direct reference to how the earth and universe(single spoken sentence) were created.  The government gains nothing by proving the bible correct, because that gives evidence of thee God.  This is not a good position for the government as they need people to think they give rights, not God.  This holds true for many of the other fake science theories such as evolution as well.     

Religion was created for, and is still regularily used to control people. I can still vividly remember G.W. Bush assuring America of God being on their side during the invasion of Iraq. Proving the bible right would be nothing but beneficial for the government.

Anything that is possible (no matter how implausible) has to be easier than something that is impossible.

So wait a minute.... on one hand - you're willing to see that NASA is part of a global conspiracy to bamboozle the world in terms of space exploration, but you're completely unwillingly to say they have found a way to get around UA? And that the info posted about the shuttles is what you will be using even though in the supposed view they are overall lying to us?

In terms of fuel - its a pretty simple fix - get more fuel for a continuous burn for a much longer period. I can already see you saying this is not possible (for what ever reason - you have a weird definition of impossible as opposed to impractical), but.... it is. You just simple need enough fuel and it would be possible to do limited space exploration, which would be infinitely easier than maintaining the conspiracy.

God knows I would rather have to work against a constantly opposing force in nature than having to deal with the fickle nature of a couple thousand (at least) human beings over a number of decades and hope not a single one decides to spill the beans for a book deal.

Besides, I really don't see the point of addressing the difficulty of getting space program of the ground with UA present when both the conspiracy's supposed motivations and the existence of UA are laughable.

It might not be as difficult as you think.  Especially with my theory regarding NASA's involvement with nanomachines.  This theory is still in its early development and is purley based on NASA's apparent interest in the tecchnology, and the suspected potential and capabilities of this technology.

Then I really can't give it that much credence I'm afraid. The basis of that theory is as flimsy as a piece of paper soaked in sulfuric acid.

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on July 01, 2011, 07:24:43 PM

Anything that is possible (no matter how implausible) has to be easier than something that is impossible.

So wait a minute.... on one hand - you're willing to see that NASA is part of a global conspiracy to bamboozle the world in terms of space exploration, but you're completely unwillingly to say they have found a way to get around UA? And that the info posted about the shuttles is what you will be using even though in the supposed view they are overall lying to us?

In terms of fuel - its a pretty simple fix - get more fuel for a continuous burn for a much longer period. I can already see you saying this is not possible (for what ever reason - you have a weird definition of impossible as opposed to impractical), but.... it is. You just simple need enough fuel and it would be possible to do limited space exploration, which would be infinitely easier than maintaining the conspiracy.

God knows I would rather have to work against a constantly opposing force in nature than having to deal with the fickle nature of a couple thousand (at least) human beings over a number of decades and hope not a single one decides to spill the beans for a book deal.

Besides, I really don't see the point of addressing the difficulty of getting space program of the ground with UA present when both the conspiracy's supposed motivations and the existence of UA are laughable.

Quote from: Felix (R) on July 01, 2011, 07:52:59 PM

It might not be as difficult as you think.  Especially with my theory regarding NASA's involvement with nanomachines.  This theory is still in its early development and is purley based on NASA's apparent interest in the tecchnology, and the suspected potential and capabilities of this technology.

Then I really can't give it that much credence I'm afraid. The basis of that theory is as flimsy as a piece of paper soaked in sulfuric acid.

NASA shutlles are simply not equipped to deal with excessive afterburn.  And regarding the nano's.  If you would have truly understood what was being posted, I simply said ''it might'' not be as difficult.  Simply appealing to a persons consideration, not necessarrily trying to gain your full acceptance of something I already mentioned was in its early stages and has no more to back it up than their involvement, and the technologies potential.