The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.

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11cookeaw1

The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« on: June 25, 2011, 12:54:09 AM »
Here's something, if you doubled the diameter of the sun the volume would be multiplied by 8, but if you double the distance from it the amount of light needed to illuminate it would quadruple. As it gets bigger the volume to area ratio increases, as it gets smaller it decreases. The sun needs to give out more than 100 peta watts to illuminate the area of the earth it illuminates. If the flat earth sun was 32 miles or 51.5 kilometers in diameter. It would have a volume of approximately 71,500 cubic kilometers, 71.5 trillion cubic meters or 71.5 quadrillion liters. We'll be generous by using the 100 petawatt figure, the real figure is significantly higher.
There are 31,536,000 seconds in a year. This gives us 3,153,600 exajoules per year, or 3,153,600,000 QUADRILLION joules. This gives more than 44 million joules per liter annually. TNT only has 4.2 million joules per kilo and 7 million joules per liter! If the Flat earth sun is as dense as water than it would need an energy density more than 10 times higher than TNT just to produce the reduced figure for a year! At 20 times the density of water or a density nearly equal to osmium, the densest element, and a energy density 50 times that of TNT. THe flat earth sun would only be able to produce the reduced figure for less 100 years, there are people older than that! For 4.5billion years at the reduced amount the density (Kg/l), times the energy density (In TNT) would be 47.5 billion! It the average density was less 300 times the density of water Even fusion would not be enough. Therefore antimatter matter reactions would be necessary, this would have an average density of more than twice that of water. Then there would be the problem of of a lot of the light being x-rays and gamma rays, as not enough of it would be absorbed, a single gamma ray for an anti-matter matter reaction is enough to heat an atom up to temperatures where it will emit lower energy gamma rays, these can heat up an atom to the point that it will give of gamma rays an x-rays, that's just one. If the FE sun used anti matter-matter reactions then it would likely emit large amounts of ionizing radiation. Especially because higher gamma rays need more to intercept them., and the gamma rays given of by proton-anti proton reactions are very, very, high...

Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2011, 10:48:47 PM »
wow this place sure has changed. funny how all it takes is high school physics and FET starts crumbling like feta. the mark of a good point is the deafening silence. ;D

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 10:30:08 PM »
Or maybe you guys just aren't that interesting?
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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 05:19:35 PM »
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The sun needs to give out more than 100 peta watts to illuminate the area of the earth it illuminates.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 06:03:28 PM »
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The sun needs to give out more than 100 peta watts to illuminate the area of the earth it illuminates.

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Coming from someone who never sites a credible source.

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11cookeaw1

Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 07:40:55 PM »
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The sun needs to give out more than 100 peta watts to illuminate the area of the earth it illuminates.

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THe area of the FE earth is 510 million square kilometers or 510 trillion square meter if the equator is 40,000 kilometers long. That's the same area a the RE earth. In RE the estimated amount of energy that's hits the earth daily is 172 peta watts. I chose 100 peta watts to be nicer.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2011, 08:43:01 AM »
There are a few comeback scenarios I can predict (and it might even help speed up the debating process):

  • Denying the fact that matter-antimatter collisions are extremely hazardous to our health
  • Fusion actually produces lots more energy than scientists claim
  • The density of the sun is unexplainably high and will only be proven wrong unless we observe it zetetically (i.e. touch it)
  • The amount of energy reaching us is wrong since any calculations will be from the sources affiliated with the conspiracy and FE'ers won't do it for themselves (Tom has helped push this one along)
  • The sun isn't the Earth, so we don't know how it works
  • The sun is much further than the FAQ claims, thus the Earth is round

Good luck and choose wisely.

p.s. I recommend 6, but that's just me.
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

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11cookeaw1

Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 12:46:45 PM »
BUMP!

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 01:54:19 PM »
BUMP!

Please do not bump threads unless you have something to add to the discussion.
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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 02:29:57 PM »
wow this place sure has changed. funny how all it takes is high school physics and FET starts crumbling like feta. the mark of a good point is the deafening silence. ;D
I hope you will excuse my lack of response. I have discussed this dozens of times.
You may find this response interesting.

Often it is not that we are scared of a question. It is that we just don't have the enthusiasm to do it all again quite yet.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 05:55:45 PM »
wow this place sure has changed. funny how all it takes is high school physics and FET starts crumbling like feta. the mark of a good point is the deafening silence. ;D
I hope you will excuse my lack of response. I have discussed this dozens of times.
You may find this response interesting.

Often it is not that we are scared of a question. It is that we just don't have the enthusiasm to do it all again quite yet.
This is a nice way to say that he has been able to contradict this argument even though he has never been even close to having something useful to this conversation. And now that this thread has more and better estimations of the physical issues of the FE and real Sun than in any other similar thread I have seen here, the FE "theorists" are not being able to even start analyzing the data.

Even if the data were not correct, the total lack of ability of the FE "theorists" to verify the information is quite a defeat.

And we have not even started to look at the distribution of this energy over all of the planet, which in the FE model would be astoundingly different from what is observed.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 06:08:41 PM »
Thank you for linking that thread Thork. I am pleased that you're hard at work.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 08:29:00 PM »
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The sun needs to give out more than 100 peta watts to illuminate the area of the earth it illuminates.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 08:31:20 PM »
You may find this response interesting.
Thank you, I was quite interested in this, now I can add to my list:

  • Denying the fact that matter-antimatter collisions are extremely hazardous to our health
  • Fusion actually produces lots more energy than scientists claim
  • The density of the sun is unexplainably high and will only be proven wrong unless we observe it zetetically (i.e. touch it)
  • The amount of energy reaching us is wrong since any calculations will be from the sources affiliated with the conspiracy and FE'ers won't do it for themselves (Tom has helped push this one along)
  • The sun isn't the Earth, so we don't know how it works
  • The sun is much further than the FAQ claims, thus the Earth is round
  • Thork once again uses Maths in a misleading way to prove FET
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 08:37:01 PM »
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The sun needs to give out more than 100 peta watts to illuminate the area of the earth it illuminates.

Source?
Coming from someone who never sites a credible source.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2011, 08:43:55 PM »
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The sun needs to give out more than 100 peta watts to illuminate the area of the earth it illuminates.

Source?
THe area of the FE earth is 510 million square kilometers or 510 trillion square meter if the equator is 40,000 kilometers long. That's the same area a the RE earth. In RE the estimated amount of energy that's hits the earth daily is 172 peta watts. I chose 100 peta watts to be nicer.

What is your source for this?

The sun isn't hitting all points of earth's area at once, there is something called day and night. And the amount of sunlight received in Brazil isn't going to be the same as the amount of sunlight received in Alaska.

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11cookeaw1

Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2011, 11:49:01 PM »
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The sun needs to give out more than 100 peta watts to illuminate the area of the earth it illuminates.

Source?
THe area of the FE earth is 510 million square kilometers or 510 trillion square meter if the equator is 40,000 kilometers long. That's the same area a the RE earth. In RE the estimated amount of energy that's hits the earth daily is 172 peta watts. I chose 100 peta watts to be nicer.

What is your source for this?

The sun isn't hitting all points of earth's area at once, there is something called day and night. And the amount of sunlight received in Brazil isn't going to be the same as the amount of sunlight received in Alaska.
Even if we be incredibly generous and use 17.4 petawats, which would give an average of a little over 30 watts per square meter, not enough for solar panels to give off al the energy they produce, we still get an average density of 50 times water for fusion. For my calculations I took the 174 petawats from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(power)

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091002103701AAo2kNo
This says that 120 petawats of that actually reaches the surface.

http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Atmosphere/earth_atmosph_radiation_budget.html
States a average of 342 watts per square meter.
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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2011, 10:30:31 AM »
I've said it before and I will say it again and again.

The Flat Earth Society has gone full retard.
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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2011, 10:32:44 AM »
I've said it before and I will say it again and again.

Yes, please keep us updated.

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2011, 10:55:09 AM »
I've said it before and I will say it again and again.

Yes, please keep us updated.

The Flat Earth Society has gone full retard.

I DID IT AGAIN!
Science - logic + (lots and lots of) magic = FLAT EARTH THEORY

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Re: The flat earth sun cannot produce enough energy.
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2011, 11:37:55 AM »
I've said it before and I will say it again and again.

Yes, please keep us updated.

The Flat Earth Society has gone full retard.

I DID IT AGAIN!

Now I will say this once.  Refrain from low content posting.  And don't let others goad you into low content posting either.
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