why dont the ice caps melt?

When did I ask you to travel the world to collect data?  Are you suggesting that it's unreasonable to ask you to look out your window and collect daylight data from your current location?

That will only show me data for my own location; one out of thousands of possible points on earth. It will not tell me the shape of the sun's spotlight or do much in the way of comparing and contrasting world models.

I asked for the real-world observations for your map and you were unable to provide any. You lose. Get over it.

So when you say that the earth is flat because it appears flat out of your window (one out of thousands of possible points on earth), that is a ridiculous statement also?

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When did I ask you to travel the world to collect data?  Are you suggesting that it's unreasonable to ask you to look out your window and collect daylight data from your current location?

That will only show me data for my own location; one out of thousands of possible points on earth. It will not tell me the shape of the sun's spotlight or do much in the way of comparing and contrasting world models.

I asked for the real-world observations for your map and you were unable to provide any. You lose. Get over it.

Tell you what Tom, when FET comes up with a daylight calculator that is as least as accurate as the RET daylight calculator, then you can declare victory. 

As for real world observations...  Well, I've proposed that FES members perform real world observations on the days of the equinox, but there were not very many takers.

Tell you what Tom, when FET comes up with a daylight calculator that is as least as accurate as the RET daylight calculator, then you can declare victory. 

No dumbshoe. You need to provide positive evidence for your claims. If you claim that the calculator is accurate you need to demonstrate that your claims.

Your phrase "when FET comes up with a daylight calculator that is at least as accurate..." assumes that the calculator is accurate. This has not been demonstrated. You have provided no real world observations and no evidence to show that it is accurate.

As for real world observations...  Well, I've proposed that FES members perform real world observations on the days of the equinox, but there were not very many takers.

It's your burden to provide evidence for you claims. We have not made any claims about daylight times here. You have. You posted a map and claimed that it was accurate. You need to provide evidence to show that it is. You're the claimant. We're the skeptics.

"Prove that ghosts don't exist" is not a valid rebuttal.

"Prove that it *didn't* happen" is not a valid rebuttal.

You're the claimant. You're making specific positive claims. You need to provide evidence for those claims.

Provide evidence or shoo.

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Tell you what Tom, when FET comes up with a daylight calculator that is as least as accurate as the RET daylight calculator, then you can declare victory. 

No dumbshoe. You need to provide positive evidence for your claims. If you claim that the calculator is accurate you need to demonstrate that your claims.

Your phrase "when FET comes up with a daylight calculator that is at least as accurate..." assumes that the calculator is accurate. This has not been demonstrated. You have provided no real world observations and no evidence to show that it is accurate.

And you have provided no evidence to show that FET can predict sunrises or sunsets at all.

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As for real world observations...  Well, I've proposed that FES members perform real world observations on the days of the equinox, but there were not very many takers.

It's your burden to provide evidence for you claims. We have not made any claims about daylight times here. You have. You posted a map and claimed that it was accurate. You need to provide evidence to show that it is. You're the claimant. We're the skeptics.

The evidence is right outside your window for the observing every morning and every evening.  If that schedule is inconvenient for you, then that's your problem, not mine.

Still no evidence then? Skedattle.

You came into this thread and posted a map claiming that it accurately showed daylight times. You were unable to provide evidence demonstrating that it was accurate. You posted no real world observations and no accounts. There is no evidence that the map is accurate, none in the slightest.

Challenging us to disprove the map is not a proof of your map. That is not a valid rebuttal.

Get outta here.

You came into this thread and posted a map claiming that it accurately showed daylight times.

Lurk moar.  Berny provided the map.

It doesn't matter which one of you RE'ers posted the map. You guys need to demonstrate its accuracy if you're going to go on claiming that it is accurate. Blindly posting the first map or graphic you see on the internet is not a valid form of research.

Get outta here ball lover.

*sigh*  Tom, the accuracy of RE maps are proven every day by people who use them to travel all over the world using them as references.  Daylight hours are validated by everyone who watches sunrises and sunsets.  If that isn't enough for you, then I don't know what will satisfy you.

*sigh*  Tom, the accuracy of RE maps are proven every day by people who use them to travel all over the world using them as references.  Daylight hours are validated by everyone who watches sunrises and sunsets.  If that isn't enough for you, then I don't know what will satisfy you.

Markjo - haven't you figured it out yet - no matter what people do or experience is of no concern to TB unless it for some reason demonstrates his beliefs.  I can point to navigation and how people got from A to B  and it won't phase him because - it doesn't validate his beliefs.

Berny
Figured out how FE plays - like asses.

Berny, I've been playing this game with Tom for a few years now and his strategy is pretty easy to figure out.  If you can't beat 'em, then deny everything, turn the tables and confuse the issue by asking for evidence for the most fundimental things that everyone takes for granted as part of their daily lives. 

It doesn't matter which one of you RE'ers posted the map. You guys need to demonstrate its accuracy if you're going to go on claiming that it is accurate. Blindly posting the first map or graphic you see on the internet is not a valid form of research.

Get outta here ball lover.

Once again, Tom's silly argument is logically and scientifically flawed.

 -Proving that every sunrise and sunset throughout the world is accurately predicted is practically impossible.

However, proving one or two are inaccurate is feasible.  Tom, please come up with a valid argument, then we can continue the debate.  Until then, as far as we know, the sun rises and sets according to predictions.