why dont the ice caps melt?

Oh, OK.  I'll see if I can work that out with a graphic.

Oh, OK.  I'll see if I can work that out with a graphic.

Saw the graphic in another post.  You should just make a fresh Topic on your works.

Berny
A monkey stole my chocolate bar(cross threaded response)

P.S.
It is impossible for the Sun to be a spotlight regardless if you can draw it out or not (which you cannot).
I refer you to this thread:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49250.0
Specifically, "Problem 1)" and "Problem 1) (revisited)" farther down.

Please explain that.
Thanks, be cool.

You still haven't explained how the days last longer in the southern hemisphere.

You're assuming that map is accurate.

Quote from: berny_74 on June 30, 2011, 08:58:09 AM

You still haven't explained how the days last longer in the southern hemisphere.

You're assuming that map is accurate.

Looks flat to me.  Do you have a more accurate map?

The daylight data on that map assumes that the earth is a globe. It's not.

The daylight data on that map assumes that the earth is a globe. It's not.

No, they daylight data on that map is what is observed from collected data.

It's not a coincidence that the spherical Earth predicts that too though...

It is impossible for the Sun to be a spotlight regardless if you can draw it out or not (which you cannot).

I read that in the other thread.  All I can say is that you don't know much about spotlights!   I just so happen to know them pretty well as they were my stock and trade for many years - my father's also.

I will freely admit, tho, that sun near the horizon does not look much like a spotlight.  Especially when seen from a few 1000 feet above the Earth.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 12:31:55 PM

The daylight data on that map assumes that the earth is a globe. It's not.

No, they daylight data on that map is what is observed from collected data.

What collected data?

I didn't see any sources.

Quote from: be cool on July 01, 2011, 12:48:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 12:31:55 PM

The daylight data on that map assumes that the earth is a globe. It's not.

No, they daylight data on that map is what is observed from collected data.

What collected data?

I didn't see any sources.

The majority of timeanddate information is collected by The tz database.

The public-domain time zone database contains code and data that represent the history of local time for many representative locations around the globe. It is updated periodically to reflect changes made by political bodies to time zone boundaries, UTC offsets, and daylight-saving rules. This database (often called tz or zoneinfo) is used by several implementations, including the GNU C Library used in GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Cygwin, DJGPP, AIX, Mac OS X, OpenVMS, Oracle Database, Solaris, Tru64, and UnixWare.

Sounds like something Parsifal can get his paws into.

You might pan the sources that people present here but again - most of the information is a result of information in Nautical Almanacs that are published (currently) in many countries and is available online for free.  The accuracy of these Almanacs are not in question as they are still used for Celestial Navigation (something else you have ridiculously panned) and for a myriad of other civil and military uses.

I do my best to double check information dates and times - and have corrected myself before - something that you have failed to do.

Berny
Too frustrated to put anything in here.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 02:51:32 PM

Quote from: be cool on July 01, 2011, 12:48:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 12:31:55 PM

The daylight data on that map assumes that the earth is a globe. It's not.

No, they daylight data on that map is what is observed from collected data.

What collected data?

I didn't see any sources.

The majority of timeanddate information is collected by The tz database.

That's a calculator based on the RE model, not a collection of observations.

Quote from: berny_74 on July 01, 2011, 04:33:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 02:51:32 PM

Quote from: be cool on July 01, 2011, 12:48:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 12:31:55 PM

The daylight data on that map assumes that the earth is a globe. It's not.

No, they daylight data on that map is what is observed from collected data.

What collected data?

I didn't see any sources.

The majority of timeanddate information is collected by The tz database.

That's a calculator based on the RE model, not a collection of observations.

All calculators start with a collection of observations.  There is a large message list where people add / correct information so you can see people DO care about this.  And I also digress - the use of Almanacs for navigation has lasted for years with people navigating faithfully.  If you can actually find (and I mean not just pull something out of your ass) post it to the time zone mailing list.

So the map of time stands unless you can do something besides whine - like actually doing something - except you don't.

Berny
Any more points about Railway crossings there TB?

All calculators start with a collection of observations.

No, they don't.

There is a large message list where people add / correct information so you can see people DO care about this. And I also digress - the use of Almanacs for navigation has lasted for years with people navigating faithfully.  If you can actually find (and I mean not just pull something out of your ass) post it to the time zone mailing list.

What time zone mailing list? Source?

So the map of time stands unless you can do something besides whine - like actually doing something - except you don't.

No, it does not stand. Nowhere on that website does it say that the maps and data on that site are from real world observation rather than a model based on RE Theory.

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All calculators start with a collection of observations.

No, they don't.

Name me on set of calculations you can make with no data that is in anyway representative to the real world.

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There is a large message list where people add / correct information so you can see people DO care about this. And I also digress - the use of Almanacs for navigation has lasted for years with people navigating faithfully.  If you can actually find (and I mean not just pull something out of your ass) post it to the time zone mailing list.

What time zone mailing list? Source?

I gave you the website. 

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So the map of time stands unless you can do something besides whine - like actually doing something - except you don't.

No, it does not stand. Nowhere on that website does it say that the maps and data on that site are from real world observation rather than a model based on RE Theory.

Yes it does.  READ IT.  It lists dozens of sources.  If you are not happy with it - have Parsifal go through it since the majority of it seems to fall under his balliwack.  And why should I trust you over these sources that have actual legitimate information backing it up.

Berny
Care to explain more about your lack of knowledge of train crossings?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 05:39:44 PM

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All calculators start with a collection of observations.

No, they don't.

Name me on set of calculations you can make with no data that is in anyway representative to the real world.

You can make a round earth daylight calculator based on the assumption that the earth is a ball spinning through space. If the earth is not a ball spinning through space then the calculations would be wrong.

I gave you the website.

I didn't see any "time zone mailing list."

Yes it does.  READ IT.  It lists dozens of sources.  If you are not happy with it - have Parsifal go through it since the majority of it seems to fall under his balliwack.  And why should I trust you over these sources that have actual legitimate information backing it up.

What legitimate sources? The page you linked said that the page was programmed in c, php, and java. They also link to the CIA World Fact Book, Wikipedia, and The Calender FAQ.

Did the CIA send agents around the world to study the daylight hours at every point on earth?

Quote from: berny_74 on July 01, 2011, 05:52:12 PM

Name me on set of calculations you can make with no data that is in anyway representative to the real world.

You can make a round earth daylight calculator based on the assumption that the earth is a ball spinning through space. If the earth is not a ball spinning through space then the calculations would be wrong.

Okay fine you can't.  Thank you for trying to save face.  You just conceded that you need observations to make calculations.

I gave you the website.

I didn't see any "time zone mailing list."

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Your lack of eyesite does not matter to me.
"If you find errors, please send changes to the time zone mailing list"

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Yes it does.  READ IT.  It lists dozens of sources.  If you are not happy with it - have Parsifal go through it since the majority of it seems to fall under his balliwack.  And why should I trust you over these sources that have actual legitimate information backing it up.

What legitimate sources? The page you linked said that the page was programmed in c, php, and java. They also link to the CIQ World Fact Book, Wikipedia, and The Calender FAQ.

Did the CIQ send agents around the world to study the daylight hours at every point on earth?
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You know - they're called volunteers.   And they list much more than that - go off the main page.  Its not like the FE has any information on its main page.  And unless you can find something that disagrees with the times that are supplied are you are doing is being a whiner.

Berny
Now why don't you put on your big boy pants and actually find some info

You can make a round earth daylight calculator based on the assumption that the earth is a ball spinning through space. If the earth is not a ball spinning through space then the calculations would be wrong.

Tom, are you suggesting that no one has ever checked those daylight calculations against real world observations?   

Okay fine you can't.  Thank you for trying to save face.  You just conceded that you need observations to make calculations.

No, I did not.

If you make a model of how much area of a sphere would be illuminated with a light shining on it, does it prove that we live on a sphere? No, it does not.

Your lack of eyesite does not matter to me.
"If you find errors, please send changes to the time zone mailing list"

The time zones are political matters. They aren't based on when the sun is directly overhead.

http://www.travel.com.hk/region/time_95.jpg

For example, China takes up five UTC zones, yet has only one single official time code. It's all over the place.

You know - they're called volunteers.

What volunteers? Where are they getting their data from? Are the volunteers looking up the data from atlases and country time zone maps, or are they traveling the world and timing the length of day?

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 05:58:17 PM

You can make a round earth daylight calculator based on the assumption that the earth is a ball spinning through space. If the earth is not a ball spinning through space then the calculations would be wrong.

Tom, are you suggesting that no one has ever checked those daylight calculations against real world observations?   

I haven't seen you post any real world observations. You are asking us to assume that thousands have been made from  thousands of areas and put into that map.

Hey tom bishop, I heard you smell.

Hey mr. tom bishop, I heard you smell.

Hey tom mr mc in bishop, I heard you smell.

hey tommo, i heard you smell.

hey tombish, i eard youre a smelly boy.

hey tommo, i heard you smell.

Hey boon, I heard that one more crack like that will get you a 3 day ban. 

Quote from: markjo on July 01, 2011, 09:49:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 05:58:17 PM

You can make a round earth daylight calculator based on the assumption that the earth is a ball spinning through space. If the earth is not a ball spinning through space then the calculations would be wrong.

Tom, are you suggesting that no one has ever checked those daylight calculations against real world observations? 

I haven't seen you post any real world observations. You are asking us to assume that thousands have been made from  thousands of areas and put into that map.

Feel free to make your own real world observations, compare them against the RE predictions and the FE predictions and then let us know which were more accurate. 

hey tomoymomy bisht, you need a bath.
so does your bodyguard.

hey tomoymomy bisht, you need a bath.
so does your bodyguard.

Enjoy your 3 day holiday.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 02, 2011, 01:13:29 PM

Quote from: markjo on July 01, 2011, 09:49:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on July 01, 2011, 05:58:17 PM

You can make a round earth daylight calculator based on the assumption that the earth is a ball spinning through space. If the earth is not a ball spinning through space then the calculations would be wrong.

Tom, are you suggesting that no one has ever checked those daylight calculations against real world observations? 

I haven't seen you post any real world observations. You are asking us to assume that thousands have been made from  thousands of areas and put into that map.

Feel free to make your own real world observations, compare them against the RE predictions and the FE predictions and then let us know which were more accurate.

I'll consider this a win then.

I asked you to provide the sources which compiled the daylight data for your map and your only response was to tell me to travel the world and collect my own daylight data to disprove it. One of those "I don't have to prove myself right, you need to prove me wrong" arguments.

I asked you to provide the sources which compiled the daylight data for your map and your only response was to tell me to travel the world and collect my own daylight data to disprove it. One of those "I don't have to prove myself right, you need to prove me wrong" arguments.

When did I ask you to travel the world to collect data?  Are you suggesting that it's unreasonable to ask you to look out your window and collect daylight data from your current location?