Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?

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Your own FAQ says there are no satellites and it is all a conspiracy.  If this is true, how come I can see satellites?  If they are not real, explain what I am seeing.   

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 05:04:23 PM »
Communication satellites aren't visible. The only man-made object which is visible is the ISS.

As for what might be, the ISS could be a balloon or perhaps a solar powered aeroplane.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 08:56:50 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 05:28:47 PM »
Communication satellites aren't visible. The only man-made object which is visible is the ISS.

As for what it is, the ISS could be a balloon or perhaps a solar powered aeroplane.
That's interesting, I have seen satellites before. In fact, I asked what the little moving stars across the sky were as a kid, and that would have been before 1998.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2011, 05:44:00 PM »
Zeteticism wins again! (Although apparently not on FET's behalf in this instance)
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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 05:44:33 PM »
Communication satellites aren't visible. The only man-made object which is visible is the ISS.

As for what it is, the ISS could be a balloon or perhaps a solar powered aeroplane.
That's interesting, I have seen satellites before. In fact, I asked what the little moving stars across the sky were as a kid, and that would have been before 1998.

Planes in the night sky are often mistaken for satellites.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2011, 06:00:15 PM »
Communication satellites aren't visible. The only man-made object which is visible is the ISS.

As for what it is, the ISS could be a balloon or perhaps a solar powered aeroplane.
That's interesting, I have seen satellites before. In fact, I asked what the little moving stars across the sky were as a kid, and that would have been before 1998.

Planes in the night sky are often mistaken for satellites.
Good thing I know what a plane looks like.

If you have ever star-gazed shortly after sunset or before sunrise, you have probably noticed one or two "stars" sailing gracefully across the sky. These are Earth-orbiting satellites, visible due to the reflection of the Sun's light off their surfaces toward the observer. Hundreds of satellites are visible to the unaided eye; thousands are visible using binoculars and telescopes. Observing satellites has many enthusiasts around the world.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2011, 06:03:01 PM »
Your own FAQ says there are no satellites and it is all a conspiracy.  If this is true, how come I can see satellites?  If they are not real, explain what I am seeing.

They are dots of light hung from cables in the sky and moved along the sky so they look like they are far away. Has anyone seen any satellites at the day time? No because you would see the cables also. Anything can be achieved under the cover of darkness. Also isn't it convenient that satellites are shining like that? But why are they shining? They don't have any lights on board. Or so they tell us. Interesting huh?

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2011, 06:04:31 PM »
Aren't planes required to have a blinking anti-collision light, anyway?
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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 06:04:46 PM »
Oddly enough, the things I've seen DID in fact look like stars flying across the sky. I don't see any ties to NASA on this page, so don't even go there Tom.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2011, 06:05:34 PM »
Aren't planes required to have a blinking anti-collision light, anyway?
If only Tom was required to have a blinking anti-truth light so we knew when he was full of shit.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2011, 06:13:06 PM »
Aren't planes required to have a blinking anti-collision light, anyway?
If only Tom was required to have a blinking anti-truth light so we knew when he was full of shit.

Ohh, that bulb wouldn't last long.
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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2011, 12:21:07 AM »
Your own FAQ says there are no satellites and it is all a conspiracy.  If this is true, how come I can see satellites?  If they are not real, explain what I am seeing.

They are dots of light hung from cables in the sky and moved along the sky so they look like they are far away. Has anyone seen any satellites at the day time? No because you would see the cables also. Anything can be achieved under the cover of darkness. Also isn't it convenient that satellites are shining like that? But why are they shining? They don't have any lights on board. Or so they tell us. Interesting huh?

Is this a serious post?  Do you really believe there are thousands of cables up there being held up by God knows what all to give the illusion of satellites existing?  Oh and they retract the cables every morning?  That makes much less sense than the generally accepted, "every country with a space program sends satellites into orbit" position taken by most.....wait all scientists.  And about the shining their reflecting the sun's light because from our perspective the satellites are angled correctly with the suns light.....due to the curvature of the earth (the satellite is directly above you, miles up, it can see the sun while you cannot, therefore reflecting light)

I did my best not to ridicule your post, but I must admit, it is pure comedy.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2011, 01:17:44 AM »
Good thing I know what a plane looks like.
Please provide pictures of a plane and a satellite as seen with a naked eye on the night sky and explain the key differences. Three will suffice, if they're notable enough.
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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2011, 05:25:06 AM »
Do you really believe there are thousands of cables up there being held up by God knows what all to give the illusion of satellites existing?  Oh and they retract the cables every morning?

Do not underestimate the vast resources of the Conspiracy (NASA). If I gave you billions of dollars every day I'm sure you could retract a few cables every morning.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2011, 06:09:49 AM »
Good thing I know what a plane looks like.
Please provide pictures of a plane and a satellite as seen with a naked eye on the night sky and explain the key differences. Three will suffice, if they're notable enough.
Most notably, a plane has blinking lights where a satellite doesn't.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 08:54:30 AM »
Good thing I know what a plane looks like.
Please provide pictures of a plane and a satellite as seen with a naked eye on the night sky and explain the key differences. Three will suffice, if they're notable enough.
Most notably, a plane has blinking lights where a satellite doesn't.

There are blinking 'satellites' in the link you posted:

http://www.satobs.org/tumble/tumbleintro.html

They could easily be planes.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 08:57:33 AM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 07:02:37 PM »
Good thing I know what a plane looks like.
Please provide pictures of a plane and a satellite as seen with a naked eye on the night sky and explain the key differences. Three will suffice, if they're notable enough.
Most notably, a plane has blinking lights where a satellite doesn't.

There are blinking 'satellites' in the link you posted:

http://www.satobs.org/tumble/tumbleintro.html

They could easily be planes.
Ok, there are also non-blinking satellites. Explain those.

Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2011, 08:19:53 PM »
Your own FAQ says there are no satellites and it is all a conspiracy.  If this is true, how come I can see satellites?  If they are not real, explain what I am seeing.

They are dots of light hung from cables in the sky and moved along the sky so they look like they are far away. Has anyone seen any satellites at the day time? No because you would see the cables also. Anything can be achieved under the cover of darkness. Also isn't it convenient that satellites are shining like that? But why are they shining? They don't have any lights on board. Or so they tell us. Interesting huh?

How far do these Cables stretch? This argument seems less likely than the existence of satelites hey, thats just my oppinion... Why would these conspirators go as far as "Faking" the orbits of satellites? Why not just shoot Lazers at Disks that are fired out of a cannon? Why all the Cables? That would only account for one orbit, of one satellite, where as Lazers and disks, being just as unlikely, can be used for every satellite for every angle of every orbit of every satellite, Im just saying...

...Plus, i think you may have planes and satellites confused

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2011, 08:30:29 PM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2011, 08:32:07 PM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2011, 08:34:28 PM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

Well, something must be holding them in place there and causing them to move at such fantastic speeds.  As gravity doesn't exist the only logical explanation is aether eddies.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2011, 09:04:35 PM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

Well, something must be holding them in place there and causing them to move at such fantastic speeds.  As gravity doesn't exist the only logical explanation is aether eddies.
Oh the fifth element? Interesting.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2011, 11:19:47 PM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

Well, something must be holding them in place there and causing them to move at such fantastic speeds.  As gravity doesn't exist the only logical explanation is aether eddies.
Oh the fifth element? Interesting.
No definitely not, the 5th element is boron  :P It's a mix of the 5th state of matter and the 6th sense, obviously, since gravity doesn't exist.
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2011, 05:24:12 AM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

Well, something must be holding them in place there and causing them to move at such fantastic speeds.  As gravity doesn't exist the only logical explanation is aether eddies.

Gravity exists - I plainly read that a Flat Earther with the infinite model has no problems with Gravity.

So now explain how they stay up with Gravity.
Also - do you have an Aether?

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2011, 06:24:01 AM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

Well, something must be holding them in place there and causing them to move at such fantastic speeds.  As gravity doesn't exist the only logical explanation is aether eddies.
Oh the fifth element? Interesting.
No definitely not, the 5th element is boron  :P It's a mix of the 5th state of matter and the 6th sense, obviously, since gravity doesn't exist.
Well, the only four elements are earth, wind, fire and water, so the fifth obviously has to be aether.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2011, 07:32:53 AM »
Well, the only four elements are earth, wind, fire and water, so the fifth obviously has to be aether.
Oh, how silly of me to forget such a thing ;D

And here I was mentioning boron like a moron...
Scepti, this idiocy needs to stop and it needs to stop right now. You are making a mockery of this fine forum with your poor trolling. You are a complete disgrace.

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2011, 08:08:17 AM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

Well, something must be holding them in place there and causing them to move at such fantastic speeds.  As gravity doesn't exist the only logical explanation is aether eddies.

How predictably non-zetetic of you.
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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2011, 08:14:30 AM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

Well, something must be holding them in place there and causing them to move at such fantastic speeds.  As gravity doesn't exist the only logical explanation is aether eddies.

How predictably non-zetetic of you.

I don't see how; it's just a word for the geodesics objects follow through the medium of space.  It's based entirely on observational evidence.  As a staunch zetetic I make no assumptions about what actually causes the aether eddies.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2011, 08:50:45 AM »
Satellites float around on aether eddies.
Evidence?

Well, something must be holding them in place there and causing them to move at such fantastic speeds.  As gravity doesn't exist the only logical explanation is aether eddies.

How predictably non-zetetic of you.

I don't see how; it's just a word for the geodesics objects follow through the medium of space.  It's based entirely on observational evidence.  As a staunch zetetic I make no assumptions about what actually causes the aether eddies.

Ah, so you've seen the aether?  What does it look like?  Have you told John?
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Re: Why can I see satellites in the sky if there are no satellites?
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2011, 09:19:34 AM »
Ah, so you've seen the aether?  What does it look like?  Have you told John?

Silly markjo, as if you need to be able to "see" something directly to be able to infer it exists.  I believe John would probably agree with me on this.

Something's holding those satellites up, and it is highly unlikely that they are moving like that from any kind of man-made propulsion system (although we need to allow for the slight possibility that this is indeed the case, we can mostly rule it out).  In my model, aether is nothing more than the medium holding them in place, and eddies are the paths they observably travel through that medium.
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