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lol lunix
« on: June 23, 2011, 01:12:28 PM »
Imagine that Linux and Ubuntu and all those variations of that crappy OS are
FREE for the taking. You would think that everyone would rush to install
Ubuntu and ditch Windows. Tell you what. It isn't happening.

The reason is that people are all gung-ho on the concept of free software
and open source. Once they realize that it's SHIT, they quickly remove that
crappy software from their PC's and go back to a real solution. Microsoft
Windows.

Remeber Ubuntu is FREE and Linux is FREE and still NOBODY wants it. That
should tell you all you need to know about that piece of shit software.



The above commentary does not apply to servers using Linux. Only the
desktop.

Just FYI.
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 01:16:01 PM »
I agree. I tried Fedora today. Wasn't impressed. Felt clunky. Also, I could only run it off a CD, not install it, which I guess would cause some speed issues. But I blame HP for that.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2011, 01:21:51 PM by Harutsedo »
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 04:09:30 PM »
I would not know about lunix as I use OpenBSD which I am finding superior in every way and I have just complied rhythmbox so that it is optimised for my hardward.

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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2011, 01:06:28 AM »
Lots of people like Linux, the kernel. Android is a popular phone OS. Linux is most common server distribution. Linux is also the most common embedded operating system.

The reason people don't like to use linux for desktops is because the desktop stack sucks; mainly the applications suck. There are simply no adequate replacements for major proprietary applications like Word, Photoshop, Cadence Design Suite, Quickbooks, Quicken, Flash, etc...

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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2011, 01:12:39 AM »
Lots of people like Linux, the kernel. Android is a popular phone OS. Linux is most common server distribution. Linux is also the most common embedded operating system.
The above commentary does not apply to servers using Linux. Only the
desktop.

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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2011, 05:02:33 AM »
I agree. I tried Fedora today. Wasn't impressed. Felt clunky. Also, I could only run it off a CD, not install it, which I guess would cause some speed issues. But I blame HP for that.

Don't judge GNU/Linux by your experiences with a single distro. Most people don't like every single distro out there; try a few and see if you can find one you like.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2011, 09:07:04 AM »
Don't judge GNU/Linux by your experiences with a single distro. Most people don't like every single distro out there; try a few and see if you can find one you like.

Ok. I'll try... Ubuntu, I guess. Or Debian. Although I still won't be able to install it before getting a new hard drive.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 09:09:40 AM by Harutsedo »
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2011, 05:26:29 PM »
Ok. I'll try... Ubuntu, I guess. Or Debian. Although I still won't be able to install it before getting a new hard drive.

I would strongly urge you against Ubuntu. Probably the best choices would be OpenSUSE, Debian and Arch Linux. I've never personally used either OpenSUSE or Arch, but I've heard good things about them. Bear in mind that Arch is a more technical distro, so you may not want to begin with it. OpenSUSE may be a better starting point if you're accustomed to Windows, as it provides graphical interfaces to most things (as opposed to a command prompt).
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2011, 05:38:18 PM »
I recommend Debian.  It goes in easy and stays smooth all night long.
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2011, 05:47:09 PM »
I recommend Debian.  It goes in easy and stays smooth all night long.

Debian is my favourite GNU distribution, too. Harutsedo, if you do go with Debian, I will be able to provide far more support than with the other two I listed.
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2011, 05:50:03 PM »
I recommend Debian.  It goes in easy and stays smooth all night long.

Debian is my favourite GNU distribution, too. Harutsedo, if you do go with Debian, I will be able to provide far more support than with the other two I listed.

All right, I'll go with that one. I've had experience with interacting with a kernel via SSH, so I might try Arch later. Now... to find a DVD in working condition...

EDIT: 32 or 64 bit? My architecture is 64, but it recommends 32, which confuses me.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 05:56:40 PM by Harutsedo »
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2011, 06:25:56 PM »
I've had experience with interacting with a kernel via SSH

wat

EDIT: 32 or 64 bit? My architecture is 64, but it recommends 32, which confuses me.

Either will work if you have a 64-bit machine. I use 64-bit, but some people prefer 32-bit because some proprietary applications (for example, Adobe Flash Player) don't work very well on 64-bit.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2011, 06:33:27 PM »
wat

I don't know. I just know I had remote access to someone's computer, saw a black box, and was told I was supposed to learn how to use it. He called it a kernel. But it looked an awful lot like a command prompt.


Either will work if you have a 64-bit machine. I use 64-bit, but some people prefer 32-bit because some proprietary applications (for example, Adobe Flash Player) don't work very well on 64-bit.

Thanks.

EDIT: Dang, these iso's take forever to download.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 06:45:05 PM by Harutsedo »
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2011, 06:42:20 PM »
I don't know. I just know I had remote access to someone's computer, saw a black box, and was told I was supposed to learn how to use it. He called it a kernel. But it looked an awful lot like a command prompt.

That's a terminal (more precisely, a pseudo-terminal), probably with a shell attached to it. The terminal is the program that displays the information (or, in this case, transmits it to your machine; hence pseudo) and accepts keyboard and/or mouse input; the shell is the program that writes the prompt to be displayed and interprets the commands that are entered.

Your friend|mentor|educator is a tool.

EDIT: Dang, these iso's take forever to download.

You should only need to download the first one.
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2011, 07:20:06 PM »
It's asking me to install it. Is there a live version of Debian that will allow me to run it without installing?
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 07:23:22 PM »
It's asking me to install it. Is there a live version of Debian that will allow me to run it without installing?

Yes, it's called Debian Live: http://live.debian.net/

You probably want one of these images: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/

Don't get the "standard" image, it doesn't come with a desktop environment. I use Xfce, so if you're not sure what desktop environment you prefer, I'd suggest getting Xfce.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 08:44:13 PM »
Debian seems OK. Just can't get wireless to work.
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2011, 08:48:19 PM »
Debian seems OK. Just can't get wireless to work.

Many wireless cards don't work because their manufacturers haven't released source code or specifications to allow free firmware to be available for them, and Debian doesn't include non-free software by default. You can install the required firmware if you can find out which package you need for it.

What model is your wireless card?
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2011, 08:53:38 PM »
Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2011, 09:01:55 PM »
Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)

Hmm. Atheros cards tend to be pretty well supported; I have one myself, and it works out of the box with both Debian GNU/Linux and OpenBSD (though is much easier to set up on OpenBSD).

What is the output of (as root) iwconfig? The output of ifconfig may be helpful also. If iwconfig doesn't output anything useful, run modprobe ath9k and then try again.
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« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2011, 09:10:06 PM »
iwconfig:

lo, eth0, and pan0 all say no wireless extensions
wlan0: IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:off/any
Mode:Managed   Access Point: Not-Associated  Tx-Power=off
Retry  long limit:7  RTS thr:off  Fragment thr:off
Encryption key:off
Power management:on

ifconfig (Typing this was not fun):
eth0:
  Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr c8:0a:a9:45:2f:86
  UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
  Interrupt:26 Base address:0xc000
lo:
  Link encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr:  ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:272 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:272 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:20480 (20.0 KiB)  TX bytes:20480 (20.0 B)

EDIT: modprobe did not seem to change the output.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2011, 09:23:28 PM by Harutsedo »
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2011, 09:34:19 PM »
Okay, it's recognised your card but not configured it. Here's what you need to do:

1. Disable Network Manager or any other fancy GUI crap that might fuck things up.

2. Run this as root:

cat >>/etc/network/interfaces <<EOF

auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-psk ABC12345DE
wpa-ssid YourAccessPointName
EOF


Replace ABC12345DE and YourAccessPointName with whatever your WPA key and access point are (you should know these).

3. Type (as root) ifup wlan0

Your interface should automagically configure itself with DHCP and you should get internets.

The auto wlan0 line above tells it to bring it up automatically on boot in the future, so you won't need to worry about it again. Of course, this part assumes that you have actually installed it and are not running it from a live CD.
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« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2011, 09:41:59 PM »
Okay, it's recognised your card but not configured it. Here's what you need to do:

1. Disable Network Manager or any other fancy GUI crap that might fuck things up.

2. Run this as root:

cat >>/etc/network/interfaces <<EOF

auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-psk ABC12345DE
wpa-ssid YourAccessPointName
EOF


Replace ABC12345DE and YourAccessPointName with whatever your WPA key and access point are (you should know these).

3. Type (as root) ifup wlan0

Your interface should automagically configure itself with DHCP and you should get internets.

The auto wlan0 line above tells it to bring it up automatically on boot in the future, so you won't need to worry about it again. Of course, this part assumes that you have actually installed it and are not running it from a live CD.

In Windows we click this little icon at the bottom and select "connect".
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2011, 09:42:30 PM »
In Windows we click this little icon at the bottom and select "connect".

Cool story bro.
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« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2011, 09:43:33 PM »
In Windows we click this little icon at the bottom and select "connect".

Cool story bro.
It get's even cooler when I tell you that it automatically saves that access point and automatically connects without me having to ask it to.
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« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2011, 09:44:02 PM »
Since I can't install it, I am running it from a live CD. But it should still work once, right?

I tried, it and my wireless light started blinking, and is now on. The terminal said "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval [somenumber]" 6 times. And then:
"No DHCPOFFERS received.
No working leases in persistent database - sleeping."

Any idea what happened?
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2011, 09:51:03 PM »
It get's even cooler when I tell you that it automatically saves that access point and automatically connects without me having to ask it to.

Irrelevant.

Since I can't install it, I am running it from a live CD. But it should still work once, right?

Yes.

I tried, it and my wireless light started blinking, and is now on. The terminal said "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval [somenumber]" 6 times. And then:
"No DHCPOFFERS received.
No working leases in persistent database - sleeping."

Any idea what happened?

Linux asked for a DHCP lease -- that is, it requested an IP address -- and no DHCP server responded. Your network does use DHCP, right?

Either way, you can try a static IP address configuration. Open up /etc/network/interfaces as root (you can use nano, which is a pretty basic editor but easy to use) and change the line iface wlan0 inet dhcp to read iface wlan0 inet static. Then, just below it, add these lines:

address 192.168.0.2
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.0.1


You may need to change those values to match your own network. The netmask and gateway should be the same as on whatever OS you're using now, but the address needs to be unique. It also needs to be within the range of IP addresses that are valid in your network, but changing the last number is safe if the last number in the netmask is 0.

Since your interface has already been brought up, you'll need to run (as root) ifdown before running ifup again.
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2011, 10:03:27 PM »
Either way, you can try a static IP address configuration. Open up /etc/network/interfaces as root (you can use nano, which is a pretty basic editor but easy to use) and change the line iface wlan0 inet dhcp to read iface wlan0 inet static. Then, just below it, add these lines:

address 192.168.0.2
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.0.1


You may need to change those values to match your own network. The netmask and gateway should be the same as on whatever OS you're using now, but the address needs to be unique. It also needs to be within the range of IP addresses that are valid in your network, but changing the last number is safe if the last number in the netmask is 0.

Since your interface has already been brought up, you'll need to run (as root) ifdown before running ifup again.

Worked like a charm! Thank you very much!
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2011, 11:48:55 PM »
Please stop posting off-topic or else markjo will never come and issue his final warning.
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Re: lol lunix
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2011, 02:49:50 PM »
Debian is for poor people that can't afford better (such as Windows.)
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