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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2011, 03:19:59 AM »
Quote from: markjo on June 26, 2011, 07:16:25 AM
If you have no clue as to what the mechanism is, then it must be magic.  What else could it possibly be?
Why, gravity, of course. Oh, wait...
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2011, 06:14:56 AM »
Quote from: Puttah on June 26, 2011, 08:25:39 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 26, 2011, 01:06:30 PM
Experiencing a lack of data does not lead one to assume that magic dematerilization occurred.
Then by that same logic, experiencing a lack of data with respect to observing puller particles does not lead one to assume that some magic force is pushing the Earth upwards.

My argument wasn't that because we can't see puller particles, that the earth must be moving upwards. My argument was that we can see the earth moving upwards to meet us when we step off the edge of a chair, but we can't see any invisible pulling phenomena.

It's a matter of Experience vs. Lack of Experience.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2011, 07:39:11 AM »
If the earth is continually moving upward to cause gravity, wouldn't we crash into our communication and tv satellites.....
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2011, 07:52:44 AM »
Not if they are being accelerated upwards at the same rate.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2011, 07:55:46 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 27, 2011, 06:14:56 AM
My argument was that we can see the earth moving upwards to meet us when we step off the edge of a chair

That's where we run into the problem.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2011, 08:10:24 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 27, 2011, 06:14:56 AM
My argument wasn't that because we can't see puller particles, that the earth must be moving upwards. My argument was that we can see the earth moving upwards to meet us when we step off the edge of a chair, but we can't see any invisible pulling phenomena.

It's a matter of Experience vs. Lack of Experience.
I don't want to hear that argument anymore, I've already tried to drill it into both yours and RE'ers heads equally that the equivalence principle needs to be acknowledged. Unsurprisingly you still don't get the point.
The answer to such a question cannot be explicitly determined.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2011, 10:48:38 AM »
Quote from: RoundEarths on June 27, 2011, 07:39:11 AM
If the earth is continually moving upward to cause gravity, wouldn't we crash into our communication and tv satellites.....
Quote from: markjo on June 27, 2011, 07:52:44 AM
Not if they are being accelerated upwards at the same rate.
Or if they simply don't exist.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2011, 12:35:25 PM »
Pizza satellites most certainly do exist, its not a matter of debate its a proven fact.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2011, 01:04:11 PM »
Quote from: RoundEarths on June 27, 2011, 12:35:25 PM
Pizza satellites most certainly do exist, its not a matter of debate its a proven fact.

What is the function of a pizza satellite?  ???
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2011, 01:05:02 PM »
i forgot the comma, it was directed at pizza. my bad
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #40 on: June 27, 2011, 01:16:37 PM »
Quote from: markjo on June 27, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: RoundEarths on June 27, 2011, 12:35:25 PM
Pizza satellites most certainly do exist, its not a matter of debate its a proven fact.

What is the function of a pizza satellite?  ???
What do you think allows pizza delivery people to find your place?
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #41 on: June 27, 2011, 07:05:49 PM »
Quote from: markjo on June 27, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: RoundEarths on June 27, 2011, 12:35:25 PM
Pizza satellites most certainly do exist, its not a matter of debate its a proven fact.

What is the function of a pizza satellite?  ???

A pizza satellite is any satellite (GPS, Doppler, Spy, etc) which orbits a pizza planet.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #42 on: June 27, 2011, 07:59:02 PM »
Quote from: Tausami on June 27, 2011, 07:05:49 PM
A pizza satellite is any satellite (GPS, Doppler, Spy, etc) which orbits a the pizza planet.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2011, 05:51:13 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 25, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
1. The earth does not rotate. The heavens rotate above it.

2. The Focault Pendulum is moved by the attraction of the heavens rather than the motion of the earth.

 Okay, what are you basing this off of? Do you have any substance to back these claims?
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2011, 08:44:20 PM »
You'll notice that when Tom is defeated in a thread, he just stops posting there.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM »
Quote from: glennrrglenn on June 28, 2011, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 25, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
1. The earth does not rotate. The heavens rotate above it.

2. The Focault Pendulum is moved by the attraction of the heavens rather than the motion of the earth.

 Okay, what are you basing this off of? Do you have any substance to back these claims?

Yes.

Stand outside on a clear night for a long period of time. Do you notice the heavens spinning above you at a rate of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is empirical evidence that the heavens are in motion above the earth.

Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 05:24:43 PM by Tom Bishop »
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2011, 05:31:16 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: glennrrglenn on June 28, 2011, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 25, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
1. The earth does not rotate. The heavens rotate above it.

2. The Focault Pendulum is moved by the attraction of the heavens rather than the motion of the earth.

 Okay, what are you basing this off of? Do you have any substance to back these claims?

Yes.

Stand outside on a clear night for a long period of time. Do you notice the heavens spinning above you at a rate of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is empirical evidence that the heavens are in motion above the earth.

Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

You know - I was south of the equator - and the heavens spinned completely opposite of what FE should dictate.  I am thinking maybe Rowbotham should have travelled a little before writing his book.
The stars also spin around a point due north and around due south - something implausible with the simplistic explanation you are trying to pour forth.

Berny
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Quote from: markjo on August 18, 2011, 10:31:34 AM
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2011, 07:44:23 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

Unless you are at the north or south pole, a Foucault Pendulum does not complete one rotation per 24 hours.  The rotation period has been shown to vary in relation to latitude.  A Foucault Pendulum does not rotate at all at the equator.

Really Tom, we've covered this before.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2011, 07:50:28 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: glennrrglenn on June 28, 2011, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 25, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
1. The earth does not rotate. The heavens rotate above it.

2. The Focault Pendulum is moved by the attraction of the heavens rather than the motion of the earth.

 Okay, what are you basing this off of? Do you have any substance to back these claims?

Yes.

Stand outside on a clear night for a long period of time. Do you notice the heavens spinning above you at a rate of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is empirical evidence that the heavens are in motion above the earth.

Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

The the stars seem to rotate them either they or you must be rotating.
If the Foucault pendulum spins then either the earth spins or gravity exists.
So... what causes gravity.
You've admitted it exists.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2011, 08:21:52 PM »
Quote from: markjo on June 29, 2011, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

Unless you are at the north or south pole, a Foucault Pendulum does not complete one rotation per 24 hours.  The rotation period has been shown to vary in relation to latitude.  A Foucault Pendulum does not rotate at all at the equator.

Really Tom, we've covered this before.

You have it backwards. At the North Pole the pendulum makes 1 rotation per 24 hours. At the equator it does not.

The pendulum does not work at the equator because, while at the North pole the stars directly overhead are making one rotation per 24 hours, at the equator the stars overhead are moving in two different directions.

http://www.thecosmicartgallery.com/StarTrailsEquator.php

Quote from: 11cookeaw1 on June 29, 2011, 07:50:28 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
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Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 25, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
1. The earth does not rotate. The heavens rotate above it.

2. The Focault Pendulum is moved by the attraction of the heavens rather than the motion of the earth.

 Okay, what are you basing this off of? Do you have any substance to back these claims?

Yes.

Stand outside on a clear night for a long period of time. Do you notice the heavens spinning above you at a rate of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is empirical evidence that the heavens are in motion above the earth.

Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

The the stars seem to rotate them either they or you must be rotating.
If the Foucault pendulum spins then either the earth spins or gravity exists.
So... what causes gravity.
You've admitted it exists.

It is known that the stars and heavens have some sort of attraction to them. This is directly evidenced by gravitational lensing, etc.

However, it cannot be assumed that the attracting element is puller particles or bendy space. Those are unsupported hypothesis'.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 08:24:27 PM by Tom Bishop »
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2011, 08:23:19 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
Quote from: markjo on June 29, 2011, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

Unless you are at the north or south pole, a Foucault Pendulum does not complete one rotation per 24 hours.  The rotation period has been shown to vary in relation to latitude.  A Foucault Pendulum does not rotate at all at the equator.

Really Tom, we've covered this before.

You have it backwards. At the North Pole the pendulum makes 1 rotation per 24 hours. At the equator it does not.

The pendulum does not work at the equator because, while at the North pole the stars directly overhead are making one rotation per 24 hours, at the equator the stars overhead are moving in two different directions.

http://www.thecosmicartgallery.com/StarTrailsEquator.php

Tom that's a photo
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2011, 08:36:38 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
Quote from: markjo on June 29, 2011, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

Unless you are at the north or south pole, a Foucault Pendulum does not complete one rotation per 24 hours.  The rotation period has been shown to vary in relation to latitude.  A Foucault Pendulum does not rotate at all at the equator.

Really Tom, we've covered this before.

You have it backwards. At the North Pole the pendulum makes 1 rotation per 24 hours. At the equator it does not.

Actually, that's just what I did say.  Perhaps you should reread that a few times.  ::)

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
The pendulum does not work at the equator because, while at the North pole the stars directly overhead are making one rotation per 24 hours, at the equator the stars overhead are moving in two different directions.

http://www.thecosmicartgallery.com/StarTrailsEquator.php

???  So you're saying that the stars don't make one rotation per 24 hours at latitudes other than 90 degrees north or south?  Also, the stars north of, south of and at the equator don't rise in the east and set in the west?  Which stars rotate in the different direction?
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2011, 08:40:40 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
Quote from: markjo on June 29, 2011, 07:44:23 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

Unless you are at the north or south pole, a Foucault Pendulum does not complete one rotation per 24 hours.  The rotation period has been shown to vary in relation to latitude.  A Foucault Pendulum does not rotate at all at the equator.

Really Tom, we've covered this before.

You have it backwards. At the North Pole the pendulum makes 1 rotation per 24 hours. At the equator it does not.

The pendulum does not work at the equator because, while at the North pole the stars directly overhead are making one rotation per 24 hours, at the equator the stars overhead are moving in two different directions.

http://www.thecosmicartgallery.com/StarTrailsEquator.php

In the quote of that picture it clearly states that with a wide angle lens the stars appear to pull apart at the equator.  They are going in the exact same direction.  I have crossed the equator and the stars do not rotate in opposite directions.

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Using a super wide angle lens, we can see how the stars pull to either side of the
celestial equator.

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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2011, 09:33:15 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
It is known that the stars and heavens have some sort of attraction to them. This is directly evidenced by gravitational lensing, etc.

However, it cannot be assumed that the attracting element is puller particles or bendy space. Those are unsupported hypothesis'.

Tom, the heavens could not possibly exert a force on the Foucault Pendulum in FET.
See problems 3), 4), and 5) in this thread: (to which you have yet to respond)
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=49250.0

I'll briefly mention here why:
Since the heavens do not exert an attraction to the Earth in FET, then there is no way it could exert a force on something that is made of or comes from the Earth. If the heavens can exert a force on something that is made from the Earth, then a theory is necessary to explain how an object, once removed from the Earth, gains the attraction to the heavens.

Your input is appreciated,
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #54 on: June 30, 2011, 12:16:20 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 08:21:52 PM
It is known that the stars and heavens have some sort of attraction to them. This is directly evidenced by gravitational lensing, etc.

However, it cannot be assumed that the attracting element is puller particles or bendy space. Those are unsupported hypothesis'.

No one has suggested or assumed that the attraction is due to "puller particles or bendy space".  You are putting up a smokescreen.

The way you keep mentioning gravitons reminds me of someone who keeps criticising gays, before realising that they themselves are a member of the gentlemen's club.

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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2011, 03:32:05 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 29, 2011, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: glennrrglenn on June 28, 2011, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 25, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
1. The earth does not rotate. The heavens rotate above it.

2. The Focault Pendulum is moved by the attraction of the heavens rather than the motion of the earth.

 Okay, what are you basing this off of? Do you have any substance to back these claims?

Yes.

Stand outside on a clear night for a long period of time. Do you notice the heavens spinning above you at a rate of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is empirical evidence that the heavens are in motion above the earth.

Watch a Foucault Pendulum for a long period of time. Does it rotate at a period of one rotation per 24 hours? If so, then that is circumstantial evidence that the heavens are pulling the pendulum.

  Ahhh it is so clear now, whenever I'm in my car, my car isn't actually moving, clearly the earth is just sliding underneath my tires.
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Re: Irrefutable evidence that the Earth is round
« Reply #56 on: June 30, 2011, 05:38:42 PM »
Quote from: Sorunx on June 30, 2011, 03:32:05 PM
Ahhh it is so clear now, whenever I'm in my car, my car isn't actually moving, clearly the earth is just sliding underneath my tires.

Now you're getting it. After all, you do not observe the car moving, you observe the world moving. Well done!
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