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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2006, 04:26:18 PM »
Yeah, the weight of the spring would change from night to day, and that would have some affect on your measurement. The weight of a spring, however, compared to the 100 lbs or so that we would be measuring (minimum) would be pretty insignificant.

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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2006, 04:43:28 PM »
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The weight of a spring, however, compared to the 100 lbs or so that we would be measuring (minimum) would be pretty insignificant.


True but maybe not sufficiently insignificant, considering that the ratio of day weight to night weight is on the order of a tenth of a percent.  The spring would have to be on the order of a hundredth of a percent (one ten-thousandth) the weight of the "big" object for the effects of its weight change to be negligible.
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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2006, 05:03:00 PM »
It wouldn't be the weight of the spring that has to be negligible, but the change in weight of the spring. Also, the gain in weight the spring would experience wouldn't be equivilent to adding a weight onto the bottom; the added weight would be distributed throughout the spring, and so its impact on the accuracy of the spring would be some fraction of the weight gained.

So if a 1 lb spring gains .1% heavier - even if you consider that weight gain as not being distributed, but just hanging from the bottom of the spring - that right there is only a .001% gain in mass of the system (including 100 lbs of weights). And if you consider that the weight gain of the spring is distributed equally throughout the spring, you're looking at more like .075% effective gain on the spring, and so only .00075% system gain due to the scale.

Even a 10 lbs spring might end up contributing .0075% to the system, 1/16th of the expected change. 1/16th resolution is more than enough for proof of concept.

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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2006, 05:11:49 PM »
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It wouldn't be the weight of the spring that has to be negligible, but the change in weight of the spring.


Hmmm... oh yeah.  You're right.
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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2006, 08:57:25 PM »
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Yeah, the weight of the spring would change from night to day, and that would have some affect on your measurement. The weight of a spring, however, compared to the 100 lbs or so that we would be measuring (minimum) would be pretty insignificant.

I don't disagree.  As you say, if the ratios are sufficient, the difference is minimal.