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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #180 on: June 21, 2011, 07:11:54 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on June 21, 2011, 06:11:58 PM
The difference is that you don't feel any 'pull' while in the air, which is what you would expect to feel if you were being pulled. Yet your feet will still make contact with the Earth, at which point you will feel its force.


THIS is my biggest problem with your argument.  Why is it impossible for me to feel 'pull' while in the air?  Who are you to refute what I feel?

The entire argument is moot.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #181 on: June 21, 2011, 07:27:15 PM »
Quote from: Hessy on June 21, 2011, 07:11:54 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on June 21, 2011, 06:11:58 PM
The difference is that you don't feel any 'pull' while in the air, which is what you would expect to feel if you were being pulled. Yet your feet will still make contact with the Earth, at which point you will feel its force.


THIS is my biggest problem with your argument.  Why is it impossible for me to feel 'pull' while in the air?  Who are you to refute what I feel?

The entire argument is moot.
Tom tells me what I see all the time.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #182 on: June 22, 2011, 06:43:48 AM »
Fucking EQUIVALENCE PRINCIPLE

Read about it.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #183 on: June 22, 2011, 05:12:14 PM »
Puttah is on the money. Hessy and Harutsedo, please tick one of the following boxes:


[ ] The equivalence principle is correct, and so is Lord Wilmore


[ ] The equivalence principle is incorrect, and so is Lord Wilmore


If you really think you can feel the pull of the Earth, how can you accept the equivalence principle? You guys need to be more consistent.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #184 on: June 22, 2011, 06:27:10 PM »
[ ] The equivalence principle is correct, and so is Lord Wilmore
[ ] The equivalence principle is incorrect, and so is Lord Wilmore
[X] The equivalence principle is correct, as well as most of what Wilmore said
« Last Edit: June 22, 2011, 07:34:15 PM by Harutsedo »
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #185 on: June 22, 2011, 08:35:32 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on June 22, 2011, 05:12:14 PM
Puttah is on the money. Hessy and Harutsedo, please tick one of the following boxes:


[ ] The equivalence principle is correct, and so is Lord Wilmore


[ ] The equivalence principle is incorrect, and so is Lord Wilmore


If you really think you can feel the pull of the Earth, how can you accept the equivalence principle? You guys need to be more consistent.

Possibility #1 - The Earth is round, and you feel a push
Possibility #2 - The Earth is round, and you feel a pull
Possibility #3 - The Earth is flat, and you feel a push
Possibility #4 - The Earth is flat, and you feel a pull

As far as this discussion is concerned, all four are equally reasonable.  This is because (due to the Equivalence Principle [thanks, Puttah]) a push and a pull feel the same way and are indistinguishable from each other and are therefore subjectively experienced.  You feel a push; I feel a pull. 

Essentially, the Equivalence Principle stands because a push and a pull feel identical. 

To claim that the Earth accelerates (and is therefore flat) because you feel a "push" is as useless as saying that the Earth attracts mass (and is therefore round) because you feel a "pull".  This is the point I'm trying to make.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #186 on: June 22, 2011, 08:41:27 PM »
Hessy, how could you feel either a "push" or a "pull" if the equivalence principle is true?
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #187 on: June 22, 2011, 09:24:29 PM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 08:41:27 PM
Hessy, how could you feel either a "push" or a "pull" if the equivalence principle is true?

The EP states that they're indistinguishable from each other, therefore it's up to 'opinion' as to whether you feel a "push" or "pull", hence why different people report feeling either.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #188 on: June 22, 2011, 09:26:41 PM »
Quote from: Hessy on June 22, 2011, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 08:41:27 PM
Hessy, how could you feel either a "push" or a "pull" if the equivalence principle is true?

The EP states that they're indistinguishable from each other, therefore it's up to 'opinion' as to whether you feel a "push" or "pull", hence why different people report feeling either.

Don't you see that the EP shows that you actually feel neither?
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #189 on: June 22, 2011, 10:16:06 PM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 09:26:41 PM
Don't you see that the EP shows that you actually feel neither?
Well yes, but only while you're falling (neglecting air resistance). You can certainly feel a push/pull (in technical scientific terms, this is called a force) when you're standing on the ground.

All in all, Simply feeling the contact force between you and the ground is insufficient to determine whether you are accelerating towards the Earth, the Earth is accelerating towards you, or both.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #190 on: June 22, 2011, 10:31:04 PM »
Quote from: Puttah on June 22, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 09:26:41 PM
Don't you see that the EP shows that you actually feel neither?
Well yes, but only while you're falling (neglecting air resistance). You can certainly feel a push/pull (in technical scientific terms, this is called a force) when you're standing on the ground.

I feel no such force.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #191 on: June 22, 2011, 10:55:28 PM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Puttah on June 22, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 09:26:41 PM
Don't you see that the EP shows that you actually feel neither?
Well yes, but only while you're falling (neglecting air resistance). You can certainly feel a push/pull (in technical scientific terms, this is called a force) when you're standing on the ground.

I feel no such force.
I've been told you can feel light as a feather when heavily medicated.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #192 on: June 23, 2011, 04:52:32 AM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Puttah on June 22, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 09:26:41 PM
Don't you see that the EP shows that you actually feel neither?
Well yes, but only while you're falling (neglecting air resistance). You can certainly feel a push/pull (in technical scientific terms, this is called a force) when you're standing on the ground.

I feel no such force.

I'm sorry one of your basic senses is damaged. Are you all right? Most people can detect acceleration.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #193 on: June 23, 2011, 05:32:10 AM »
Quote from: Hessy on June 22, 2011, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 08:41:27 PM
Hessy, how could you feel either a "push" or a "pull" if the equivalence principle is true?

The EP states that they're indistinguishable from each other, therefore it's up to 'opinion' as to whether you feel a "push" or "pull", hence why different people report feeling either.


Once you're on the ground, perhaps. However, while in the air you certainly do not 'feel' any pull if the equivalence principle is correct. Once on the ground you certainly do feel a pull/push. Are we to assume that the Earth only attracts us when we're in contact with it? This would not explain how after walking off the edge of something, we always end up on the Earth. We would therefore have to assume the existence of a force which cannot be detected via direct sensorial evidence, which is not in accordance with the Zetetic Method.


An accelerating Earth conforms to all the direct sensorial evidence we have layed out in this discussion. Gravity does not.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #194 on: June 23, 2011, 05:42:14 AM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on June 22, 2011, 10:31:04 PM
Quote from: Puttah on June 22, 2011, 10:16:06 PM
You can certainly feel a push/pull (in technical scientific terms, this is called a force) when you're standing on the ground.

I feel no such force.

Quote from: Lord Wilmore on June 23, 2011, 05:32:10 AM
Once on the ground you certainly do feel a pull/push.

Ooooh a disagreement amongst the brotherhood. Maybe you can somehow fit both of your statements into FET, so no one gets hurt of course.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #195 on: June 23, 2011, 06:36:49 AM »
Why isn't my observation of myself falling from a chair to the Earth not considered evidence of gravity? You can't tell me what I see.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #196 on: June 23, 2011, 07:57:43 AM »
Quote from: sillyrob on June 23, 2011, 06:36:49 AM
Why isn't my observation of myself falling from a chair to the Earth not considered evidence of gravity? You can't tell me what I see.

Because Lord Wilmore thinks that if you can't feel you're being pulled, then a force isn't being applied to you.

I haven't decided whether I should give him a crash course in Physics101 just yet or not.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #197 on: June 23, 2011, 08:34:45 AM »
Quote from: Puttah on June 23, 2011, 07:57:43 AM
Quote from: sillyrob on June 23, 2011, 06:36:49 AM
Why isn't my observation of myself falling from a chair to the Earth not considered evidence of gravity? You can't tell me what I see.

Because Lord Wilmore thinks that if you can't feel you're being pulled, then a force isn't being applied to you.

I haven't decided whether I should give him a crash course in Physics101 just yet or not.
I never mentioned being pulled. I simply said when I walk off of a chair, I see myself fall to the ground. That should be equally relevant to what they say, seeing as how it's first hand testimonial.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #198 on: June 23, 2011, 09:56:45 AM »
Quote from: sillyrob on June 23, 2011, 08:34:45 AM
Quote from: Puttah on June 23, 2011, 07:57:43 AM
Quote from: sillyrob on June 23, 2011, 06:36:49 AM
Why isn't my observation of myself falling from a chair to the Earth not considered evidence of gravity? You can't tell me what I see.

Because Lord Wilmore thinks that if you can't feel you're being pulled, then a force isn't being applied to you.

I haven't decided whether I should give him a crash course in Physics101 just yet or not.
I never mentioned being pulled. I simply said when I walk off of a chair, I see myself fall to the ground. That should be equally relevant to what they say, seeing as how it's first hand testimonial.
I think its been generally accepted that if we have a weight then there is a force present. This force means either we are being pulled to the Earth or the Earth is being pushed towards us. Lord Wilmore's argument is that he can't feel himself being pulled when in midair, so the Earth must be being pushed up towards him.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #199 on: June 23, 2011, 10:31:32 AM »
I just picked up my cell phone, it definitely feels like there's something pulling it down.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #200 on: June 23, 2011, 12:43:04 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on June 23, 2011, 05:32:10 AM
you certainly do not 'feel' any pull

I still have a problem with you claiming you know what I feel.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #201 on: June 23, 2011, 03:44:24 PM »
Quote from: General Disarray on June 23, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
I just picked up my cell phone, it definitely feels like there's something pulling it down.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #202 on: June 24, 2011, 11:08:45 PM »
Quote from: Around And About on June 23, 2011, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: General Disarray on June 23, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
I just picked up my cell phone, it definitely feels like there's something pulling it down.

For me it feels im pushing it up.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #203 on: June 25, 2011, 05:42:27 AM »
Quote from: parsec on June 24, 2011, 11:08:45 PM
Quote from: Around And About on June 23, 2011, 03:44:24 PM
Quote from: General Disarray on June 23, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
I just picked up my cell phone, it definitely feels like there's something pulling it down.

For me it feels im pushing it up.

Lo!  The Equivalence Principle!
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #204 on: June 25, 2011, 06:10:41 AM »
Quote from: Hessy on June 25, 2011, 05:42:27 AM
Lo!  The Equivalence Principle!
Yes, that's what he meant. Your point?
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #205 on: June 25, 2011, 07:05:20 AM »
Quote from: PizzaPlanet on June 25, 2011, 06:10:41 AM
Quote from: Hessy on June 25, 2011, 05:42:27 AM
Lo!  The Equivalence Principle!
Yes, that's what he meant. Your point?

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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #206 on: June 25, 2011, 07:31:14 AM »
Quote from: Puttah on June 22, 2011, 06:43:48 AM
Fucking EQUIVALENCE PRINCIPLE

Read about it.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #207 on: June 25, 2011, 11:46:04 AM »
The point, for me at least, is not that you could invoke the Equivalence Principle but that Zetetically you would have no reason to.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #208 on: June 25, 2011, 07:50:52 PM »
Quote from: Around And About on June 25, 2011, 11:46:04 AM
The point, for me at least, is not that you could invoke the Equivalence Principle but that Zetetically you would have no reason to.
I fully agree.
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Re: The majority of FET is not zetetic
« Reply #209 on: June 28, 2011, 05:39:49 PM »
Quote from: Puttah on June 23, 2011, 05:42:14 AM
Ooooh a disagreement amongst the brotherhood. Maybe you can somehow fit both of your statements into FET, so no one gets hurt of course.


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Quote from: Puttah on June 23, 2011, 07:57:43 AM
Because Lord Wilmore thinks that if you can't feel you're being pulled, then a force isn't being applied to you.

I haven't decided whether I should give him a crash course in Physics101 just yet or not.


I did not say or imply any such thing. Perhaps what's in order is not a crash course in Physics101 for me, but rather a crash course in reading comprehension for you.
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