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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2011, 11:42:26 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 31, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
Just because it's published doesn't make it accurate.

See: Astrology.

That's exactly my point also. Your published tiki page is completely inaccurate.

I'm glad we're agreeing at last. ;)
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2011, 02:10:26 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on May 31, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 31, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on May 31, 2011, 05:31:25 PM
Actually, we can't really conduct an experiment, because it's a new moon. However, lunar phase calendars are published all over the world, and there is never a discrepancy.

Really? You've verified the moon calendars all over the world in order to make such an authoritative statement?

Just because it's published doesn't make it accurate.

See: Astrology.

A moon calendar is not astrology. It makes a prediction that can be verified by looking at the sky.

Please verify the predictions then, or show us someone who has.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2011, 02:42:18 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 01, 2011, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on May 31, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on May 31, 2011, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on May 31, 2011, 05:31:25 PM
Actually, we can't really conduct an experiment, because it's a new moon. However, lunar phase calendars are published all over the world, and there is never a discrepancy.

Really? You've verified the moon calendars all over the world in order to make such an authoritative statement?

Just because it's published doesn't make it accurate.

See: Astrology.

A moon calendar is not astrology. It makes a prediction that can be verified by looking at the sky.

Please verify the predictions then, or show us someone who has.

Shut up, Tom. You know very well moon calendars exist and that they are accurate.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2011, 02:44:26 PM »
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2011, 06:09:34 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 01, 2011, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on May 31, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
A moon calendar is not astrology. It makes a prediction that can be verified by looking at the sky.

Please verify the predictions then, or show us someone who has.

Look at a moon phase calendar and then look out your window.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2011, 06:24:03 PM »
Note that multiple different cultures have historically used the lunar phases for their calendars. If the phases changed substantially from location to location. they would have noticed. Thus for example, Muslim and Jewish religious scholars long ago noticed the slight differences in when the new moon occurs in different locations. If there were anything similar to that they would have noticed it.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2011, 06:27:35 PM »
Done:

Moon from latitude 53.79, May 11, 2011:




Moon from latitude 31.68, May 11, 2011:



There are three distinctive craters in the middle you can use to place the terminator.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2011, 06:31:29 PM »
One of those pictures is flipped. The moon isn't symmetrical.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2011, 06:32:32 PM »
Quote from: sillyrob on June 01, 2011, 06:31:29 PM
One of those pictures is flipped. The moon isn't symmetrical.

Or the camera was rotated. It's from a robotic observatory, so I doubt images are always right side up.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2011, 06:51:54 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on June 01, 2011, 06:32:32 PM
Quote from: sillyrob on June 01, 2011, 06:31:29 PM
One of those pictures is flipped. The moon isn't symmetrical.

Or the camera was rotated. It's from a robotic observatory, so I doubt images are always right side up.
Oh ok then, the moon's cycles are the same in two different areas then.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2011, 07:03:35 PM »
Oh wait, no, you're right. It was flipped. Sorry.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2011, 07:17:27 PM »
More:

Moon from latitude -27.48, May 20, 2011 (southern hemisphere):



Moon from the netherlands, May 21, 2011 (northern hemisphere):



Also, a moon calendar:

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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2011, 07:26:24 PM »
Pictures that provide evidence do not sway Tom, he's too far deep in his own opinion.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2011, 07:33:48 PM »
That's why I suggested that he should look out his window to see if the prediction of the moon phase calendar matches what he sees.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2011, 07:37:45 PM »
Also, how is it that everyone on the flat earth sees the same face of the moon?

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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #45 on: June 01, 2011, 07:44:48 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on June 01, 2011, 07:37:45 PM
Also, how is it that everyone on the flat earth sees the same face of the moon?


Because the moon is much further and larger than in your picture.

Nevermind. It's been muggy and I feel like crap and am not reading everything :(.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2011, 07:49:30 PM »
Actually, that's a scale picture, but I'm only showing half the flat earth. According to FET, the moon is 3000 miles up and 32 miles across.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2011, 08:10:46 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on June 01, 2011, 07:49:30 PM
Actually, that's a scale picture, but I'm only showing half the flat earth. According to FET, the moon is 3000 miles up and 32 miles across.
I'm aware, I'm just out of it today.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2011, 11:17:41 PM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 01, 2011, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on May 31, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
A moon calendar is not astrology. It makes a prediction that can be verified by looking at the sky.

Please verify the predictions then, or show us someone who has.

Guys, great effort on the moon phase research. 

Tom, your tiki page is misleading and inaccurate, as you already know. Please amend it. As you said yourself, not all published work is accurate.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2011, 03:18:39 AM »
oh and the antimoon idea is impossible. Because while there is for example a half moon phase, we still can see stars which are optically very close to the moon.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2011, 08:10:25 AM »
A little more stuff until somebody decides to respond:

The moon's apparent size does not correspond to the phase, as it would if the phase was controlled by it rising and falling, as Tom has put forward:

Both photos are from the same location. The first is at August 10, 1987, the second is at February 2, 1988.

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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2011, 12:58:54 PM »
I really don't see how your proposed solution is any simpler than the idea that the Moon is a light source. We'd have to invent a hypothetical body that lights the moon. That the Moon simply produces this light is far more plausible.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2011, 02:09:19 PM »
Not really, since the light pattern behaves like a shadow in an orbiting system.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2011, 02:11:58 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on June 02, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
Not really, since the light pattern behaves like a shadow in an orbiting system.


What is the basis for this statement?
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #54 on: June 02, 2011, 04:38:20 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on June 02, 2011, 02:11:58 PM
Quote from: Trekky0623 on June 02, 2011, 02:09:19 PM
Not really, since the light pattern behaves like a shadow in an orbiting system.


What is the basis for this statement?

Based on the fact that it looks exactly like a sphere split in two revolving. Plus, if you're going to say that it gives off that light, you still have to explain the mechanism behind the light source.

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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #55 on: June 02, 2011, 04:45:21 PM »
Quote from: Trekky0623 on June 02, 2011, 04:38:20 PM
Based on the fact that it looks exactly like a sphere split in two revolving. Plus, if you're going to say that it gives off that light, you still have to explain the mechanism behind the light source.




I don't think it looks like "a sphere split in two revolving" at all. Besides, the image you've posted is computer-simulated and sped up. In actual fact the Moon looks very different.


And yes, we would have to explain the mechanism beind the light source. You however have come up with a hypothetical body, for which you will also have to explain the mechanism behind the light source.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2011, 06:37:03 PM »
Regardless, there is no way for Bishop's explanation to be right, which is the explanation given in the Wiki.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2011, 06:42:12 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on June 02, 2011, 12:58:54 PM
I really don't see how your proposed solution is any simpler than the idea that the Moon is a light source. We'd have to invent a hypothetical body that lights the moon. That the Moon simply produces this light is far more plausible.

Are you saying that it's easier to invent a self-illumination mechanism (even when shadows can be clearly seen within otherwise lit craters) when an external illumination mechanism already exists (the sun)?
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2011, 06:58:14 PM »
Quote from: markjo on June 02, 2011, 06:42:12 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on June 02, 2011, 12:58:54 PM
I really don't see how your proposed solution is any simpler than the idea that the Moon is a light source. We'd have to invent a hypothetical body that lights the moon. That the Moon simply produces this light is far more plausible.

Are you saying that it's easier to invent a self-illumination mechanism (even when shadows can be clearly seen within otherwise lit craters) when an external illumination mechanism already exists (the sun)?


I don't see any shadows within "otherwise lit crators". You see what you want to see. I see light patterns on the Moon.
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Re: Moon Phases
« Reply #59 on: June 02, 2011, 07:10:34 PM »
What happened to the anti-moon? It was the right way to go.
Am I the only remaining supporter?
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