Apple is stalking you

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Apple is stalking you
« on: April 22, 2011, 03:21:37 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13145562

So who's glad they didn't buy an iPhone?
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 03:43:03 PM »
I'm not surprised.
But I can see the benefit: Navigation, law enforcement, parents using it as a child tracking device, etc...
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 05:01:59 PM »
Who cares?
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2011, 05:05:42 PM »
Who cares?
This.  If anything this is a good thing; Apple may well provide the information to goods and service providers who I am in contact with and then let them advertise relevant products to me through my phone.
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2011, 05:18:19 PM »
Luckily I run Android.

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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2011, 05:39:58 PM »
I'm not surprised.
But I can see the benefit: Navigation, law enforcement, parents using it as a child tracking device, etc...

Well, let's see:

Apple is not involved in the navigation business.

Apple is not a law enforcement agency.

Apple is not a parent looking for a lost child.

Zero for three.  So, why exactly are they doing this, again?

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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2011, 05:49:51 PM »
Owned, it was covered in the ToS.

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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2011, 05:51:30 PM »
So, why exactly are they doing this, again?
For money. Why else?
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2011, 06:09:20 PM »
Owned, it was covered in the ToS.

What % of iPhone owners read the ToS?
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2011, 06:14:02 PM »
Owned, it was covered in the ToS.

What % of iPhone owners read the ToS?

Irrelevant

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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 06:47:58 PM »
Apple does not intentionally collect and distribute your entire location history. It is meant as a cache to make location based services load faster based off previous locations. There are hacks for jailbroken devices which disable this but if you use GPS or anything it causes a much more significant lag when trying to acquire a lock. As far as I have heard, the fact that "consolidated.db" (an sqlite database file) is not properly culled of old data is a bug that may have accidentally gone overlooked.

Android also does this, however.

Every time you change cell towers, your carriers log this info.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 07:31:27 PM »
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2011, 07:48:25 PM »
Owned, it was covered in the ToS.

What % of iPhone owners read the ToS?

Why the fuck does that make a difference? If you agree to things without reading them (as is commonplace with EULAs and such), you're going to get bitten in the ass sometime.

I just wish the governments of the world would stop stepping in and saving people from their own stupidity in these cases.
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2011, 08:09:12 PM »
And how is that a bite in the ass?
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2011, 08:13:48 PM »
And how is that a bite in the ass?

Did I say it was?
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2011, 08:22:45 PM »
Luckily I run Android.

Quote from: http://thenextweb.com/google/2011/04/21/its-not-just-the-iphone-android-stores-your-location-data-too/
You may have heard about the way that the iPhone is tracking  your every move. Well, it turns out that Android phones do this as well, and likely for the same reasons.

Apple is not involved in the navigation business.

Apple is not a law enforcement agency.

Apple is not a parent looking for a lost child.

Zero for three.  So, why exactly are they doing this, again?

But Apple does supply tools for people who are in and support those businesses.
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2011, 08:24:09 PM »
Did I say it was?
I don't know if you specifically did, but the atmosphere of this thread makes it look as if something bad had happened. I'm trying to find out what the whole fuss is about.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2011, 10:58:35 PM »
I guess I'll use Microsoft's phone OS, then. Can't have people knowing where I am!

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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2011, 01:15:38 AM »
Luckily I run Android.

Quote from: http://thenextweb.com/google/2011/04/21/its-not-just-the-iphone-android-stores-your-location-data-too/
You may have heard about the way that the iPhone is tracking  your every move. Well, it turns out that Android phones do this as well, and likely for the same reasons.

Apple is not involved in the navigation business.

Apple is not a law enforcement agency.

Apple is not a parent looking for a lost child.

Zero for three.  So, why exactly are they doing this, again?

But Apple does supply tools for people who are in and support those businesses.

This.  Plus they do have a navigation tool built into their map system.  It's not the best but it helps.

Also what CmdShift said.  Didn't know that.  I guess the reporter left that part out.
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2011, 03:53:00 AM »
the finnish news said it records and sends off to somewhere the last 50 cell towers and last 200 wifi areas you use, there's no way for you to access the data and its impossible to disable
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2011, 08:01:40 AM »
I'm trying to find out what the whole fuss is about.
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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2011, 11:27:20 AM »
But Apple does supply tools for people who are in and support those businesses.

Really?  I've never heard of a single case where Apple has offered to help find fugitives or lost children.

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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2011, 12:13:33 PM »
But Apple does supply tools for people who are in and support those businesses.

Really?  I've never heard of a single case where Apple has offered to help find fugitives or lost children.

They probably didn't have iPhones.

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Re: Apple is stalking you
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2011, 02:57:21 PM »
Kind of odd to think of a criminal using an iPhone, really.

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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2011, 04:09:42 PM »
Kind of odd to think of a criminal using an iPhone, really.

Maybe she stole it.

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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2011, 04:13:27 PM »
Kind of odd to think of a criminal using an iPhone, really.

Indeed, they prefer blackberries. The prisons are full with them.
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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2011, 10:37:05 PM »
But Apple does supply tools for people who are in and support those businesses.

Really?  I've never heard of a single case where Apple has offered to help find fugitives or lost children.

I didn't say that Apple helps find fugitives or lost children.  I said that Apple supplies to to help people who are in the in the business of finding fugitives or lost children.  Here are a few examples of some of those tools:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/223380-how-to-locate-a-child-with-an-iphone/
http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/06/09/apples-find-my-iphone-service-locates-lost-or-stolen-iphones/
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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2011, 03:43:54 AM »
But Apple does supply tools for people who are in and support those businesses.

Really?  I've never heard of a single case where Apple has offered to help find fugitives or lost children.

I didn't say that Apple helps find fugitives or lost children.  I said that Apple supplies to to help people who are in the in the business of finding fugitives or lost children.  Here are a few examples of some of those tools:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/223380-how-to-locate-a-child-with-an-iphone/
http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/06/09/apples-find-my-iphone-service-locates-lost-or-stolen-iphones/

Is it possible for them to do that without perpetually storing our details in their databanks?

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2011, 06:51:31 AM »
But Apple does supply tools for people who are in and support those businesses.

Really?  I've never heard of a single case where Apple has offered to help find fugitives or lost children.

I didn't say that Apple helps find fugitives or lost children.  I said that Apple supplies to to help people who are in the in the business of finding fugitives or lost children.  Here are a few examples of some of those tools:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/223380-how-to-locate-a-child-with-an-iphone/
http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/06/09/apples-find-my-iphone-service-locates-lost-or-stolen-iphones/

Is it possible for them to do that without perpetually storing our details in their databanks?

What "details?" Apple only caches the lat/long and a timestamp, and as I said it is NOT meant to be a long standing cache, it's not being pruned properly likely due to an overlooked bug. There is no personal data collected. MobileMe's "Find my iPhone" feature only uses a persistent IP address to connect to a phone and perform specific functions, no personal data is used either (in fact, Find my iPhone can be used to wipe personal data).

Your carrier is the one that logs your personal data as you go from tower to tower.

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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2011, 03:14:52 PM »
It is big brother surveillance. It's nothing to worry about. I've done nothing wrong.

  In the US the FBI can turn on your cell phone microphone without your knowledge.And listen to your conversations wherever you are, even when the phone is turned off. The only way to stop this is to pull your battery out.  But don't worry about it if you have nothing to hide.
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