Farewell.

oracle was a respectable and polite debater!

If you consider wordings such as "bullshit", "making crap up", "troll", or attempts at money extortion respectable, then yes, he was. However, I find them downright offensive.

Quote from: vhu9644 on April 18, 2011, 04:53:41 PM

oracle was a respectable and polite debater!

If you consider wordings such as "bullshit", "making crap up", "troll", or attempts at money extortion respectable, then yes, he was. However, I find them downright offensive.

well, he was respectable to about everyone else, much more respectful than you in tone and conotation

Quote from: vhu9644 on April 18, 2011, 04:53:41 PM

oracle was a respectable and polite debater!

If you consider wordings such as "bullshit", "making crap up", "troll", or attempts at money extortion respectable, then yes, he was. However, I find them downright offensive.

Stop throwing bricks. Your glass house is becoming utterly ruined.

Quote from: PizzaPlanet on April 18, 2011, 05:13:54 PM

Quote from: vhu9644 on April 18, 2011, 04:53:41 PM

oracle was a respectable and polite debater!

If you consider wordings such as "bullshit", "making crap up", "troll", or attempts at money extortion respectable, then yes, he was. However, I find them downright offensive.

Stop throwing bricks. Your glass house is becoming utterly ruined.

Why would he have bricks if he lives in a glass house?

Quote from: vhu9644 on April 18, 2011, 04:53:41 PM

oracle was a respectable and polite debater!

If you consider wordings such as "bullshit", "making crap up", "troll", or attempts at money extortion respectable, then yes, he was. However, I find them downright offensive.

Let me apologize as I didn't realize that EG was offering a serious mathematical equations when he was arbitrarily multiplying the mass ratio of one banana against another by 0 without any explanation, or that you were completely serious about dividing the mass ratio of one banana against another by the gravitational pull of an infinite mass of dog poo.  I should have realized that you were trying to participate in a logical and constructive debate and should have been more sensitive to your feelings in the matter and not have just assumed that you were actually being antagonistic.

To me, it actually sounded like it was completely fabricated and I asked for an honest explanation, but I guess that is too much to ask for.  I did assume that such seemingly frivolous, trivial, and flippant antics in reply to some of my more serious responses was in fact an effort to 'troll', but perhaps I was wrong and people were actually trying to debate in a respectful and more serious manner.

Quote from: Horatio on April 18, 2011, 06:02:49 PM

Quote from: PizzaPlanet on April 18, 2011, 05:13:54 PM

Quote from: vhu9644 on April 18, 2011, 04:53:41 PM

oracle was a respectable and polite debater!

If you consider wordings such as "bullshit", "making crap up", "troll", or attempts at money extortion respectable, then yes, he was. However, I find them downright offensive.

Stop throwing bricks. Your glass house is becoming utterly ruined.

Why would he have bricks if he lives in a glass house?

I'm not gonna risk speculating on the ways of the Poles.

Later then.

Its sad when someone who actually nows his stuff ends up leaving.  The debates then tend to fall downhill to bananas and dogpoo equations.

Berny
Will miss you more than Clocktower or The Jackel.  Or even maybe more than both combined.

To me, it actually sounded like it was completely fabricated and I asked for an honest explanation, but I guess that is too much to ask for.  I did assume that such seemingly frivolous, trivial, and flippant antics in reply to some of my more serious responses was in fact an effort to 'troll', but perhaps I was wrong and people were actually trying to debate in a respectful and more serious manner.

Yeah, I did mock you for making an equation up by making one up myself, having previously been provoked by you several times. I'm happy that the impact of this demonstration has been so significant. I believe that I've managed to get my point across, and I'm certain you'll remember and appreciate this after some time. On another note, you claim to be self-consistent. You said you wouldn't talk to me, and yet you do. What's wrong? Have you been lying again? Can't you even be true to yourself?

Quote from: Oracle on April 18, 2011, 06:04:57 PM

To me, it actually sounded like it was completely fabricated and I asked for an honest explanation, but I guess that is too much to ask for.  I did assume that such seemingly frivolous, trivial, and flippant antics in reply to some of my more serious responses was in fact an effort to 'troll', but perhaps I was wrong and people were actually trying to debate in a respectful and more serious manner.

Yeah, I did mock you for making an equation up by making one up myself, having previously been provoked by you several times. I'm happy that the impact of this demonstration has been so significant. I believe that I've managed to get my point across, and I'm certain you'll remember and appreciate this after some time. On another note, you claim to be self-consistent. You said you wouldn't talk to me, and yet you do. What's wrong? Have you been lying again? Can't you even be true to yourself?

wow, you are being so courteous

Quote from: Oracle on April 18, 2011, 06:04:57 PM

To me, it actually sounded like it was completely fabricated and I asked for an honest explanation, but I guess that is too much to ask for.  I did assume that such seemingly frivolous, trivial, and flippant antics in reply to some of my more serious responses was in fact an effort to 'troll', but perhaps I was wrong and people were actually trying to debate in a respectful and more serious manner.

Yeah, I did mock you for making an equation up by making one up myself, having previously been provoked by you several times. I'm happy that the impact of this demonstration has been so significant. I believe that I've managed to get my point across, and I'm certain you'll remember and appreciate this after some time. On another note, you claim to be self-consistent. You said you wouldn't talk to me, and yet you do. What's wrong? Have you been lying again? Can't you even be true to yourself?

My equation was valid, and I offered to explain it if you had questions following it, but that is neither here nor there as you were clearly not interested in it in any way and feel that real mathematics and science is a form of provoking.

Also, I don't recall ever stating that I would not talk to you, perhaps you can refresh my memory with the specific quote where I said that I was done talking to you?

Will I appreciate the way you treated me?  Probably... but not likely in the ways that you want me to appreciate it.

My equation was valid

Incorrect.

Also, I don't recall ever stating that I would not talk to you, perhaps you can refresh my memory with the specific quote where I said that I was done talking to you?

I really don't care to participate in further confrontations with you in particular.

You're welcome.

Will I appreciate the way you treated me?  Probably... but not likely in the ways that you want me to appreciate it.

Why do you keep fallaciously assuming I want something from you? Do you crave my attention?

Get a room.

Leave my girlfriend alone!

No.

Get a room.

I don't think he can afford one, seeing how his money extortion attempts have been unsuccessful.

Quote from: Oracle on April 18, 2011, 06:55:58 PM

My equation was valid

Incorrect.

You're entitled to your opinions and I'm entitled to mine.  Clearly, you don't care about listening to anything I have to say with an open mind, thus you automatically reject with extreme prejudice.  I'm sorry that we could not resolve our differences.

Quote from: Oracle on April 18, 2011, 06:55:58 PM

Also, I don't recall ever stating that I would not talk to you, perhaps you can refresh my memory with the specific quote where I said that I was done talking to you?

Quote from: Oracle on April 17, 2011, 02:19:04 PM

I really don't care to participate in further confrontations with you in particular.

You're welcome.

I wasn't trying to have a confrontation with you, so I apologize again if you feel like I am continuing to be confrontational.

Quote from: Oracle on April 18, 2011, 06:55:58 PM

Will I appreciate the way you treated me?  Probably... but not likely in the ways that you want me to appreciate it.

Why do you keep fallaciously assuming I want something from you? Do you crave my attention?

Why do you keep posting in a thread where I wanted to say farewell and thanks to those who could be civil?

Do you crave attention in general?  Or are you specifically trying to target me because of some deep seated need to artificially inflate your self worth by trying to tear someone else down?

Again, I apologize that you feel the need to do this, I have tried to be civil to you, apparently it is clear that the effort is neither appreciated or wanted.  I am truly sorry for any misunderstandings that there may have been between us.

Quote from: Oracle on April 18, 2011, 06:55:58 PM

My equation was valid

Incorrect.

incorrect
you equations was invalid though

you are the one who is so far being a jerk to oracle atm

You're entitled to your opinions and I'm entitled to mine.  Clearly, you don't care about listening to anything I have to say with an open mind, thus you automatically reject with extreme prejudice.  I'm sorry that we could not resolve our differences.

Oh, no, that was you. You were the one who kept claiming a challenge is invalid just because you don't feel like taking it. Apology accepted, though.

I wasn't trying to have a confrontation with you, so I apologize again if you feel like I am continuing to be confrontational.

Oh, but you are. Apology accepted.

Why do you keep posting in a thread where I wanted to say farewell and thanks to those who could be civil?

I've already explained my animosity to you.

Do you crave attention in general?

Of course I do. It's the Internet.

Or are you specifically trying to target me because of some deep seated need to artificially inflate your self worth by trying to tear someone else down?

Oh, no. I was merely trying to talk some sense into you, but you got aggressive. What you're experiencing now is my famous tone matching. In layman's terms, I'm a dick to dicks.

Again, I apologize that you feel the need to do this

Apology accepted.

I have tried to be civil to you

Wrong. You've been constantly offensive, and I've pointed this out on more than one occasion, to no avail. You intentionally continued being uncivil, basing it on automatic bias of which you so eagerly accuse me.

apparently it is clear that the effort is neither appreciated or wanted.

Yeah, you've made quite some effort to make me dislike you. I agree that it was not appreciated nor wanted.

I am truly sorry for any misunderstandings that there may have been between us.

Apology accepted. It's nice to see that you can be polite in respectful, after all. I'd like to apologise as well if I got carried away at any point, though as much as I hate to say it, I've been mostly honest about my criticism. I guess I could have chosen less blunt words, but that's generally not what I deal in.

you are the one who is so far being a jerk to oracle atm

Lurk moar.

1. ad hominem
2. you started the confrontation
3. you were being the dick first
4. ok fine, no comment
5. yea, a dick first, then responding as a greater dick after he started to match your tone
6. he deserves the appology from you
7. oracle has been civil, you probably felt threatened by him
8. yea, you've made a bigger effort to make oracle mad
9. you havent been really honest just really mean.  some can be true, but you have been stacking up words with very negetive connotations
10. i have lurked moar, and yea, you da jerk atm

1. ad hominem

In response to an ad hominem, yes.

2. you started the confrontation

Wrong. Do you even know which thread we're talking about?

3. you were being the dick first

See above.

5. yea, a dick first, then responding as a greater dick after he started to match your tone

And above.

6. he deserves the appology from you

Which he has received. Have you even read my post?

7. oracle has been civil, you probably felt threatened by him

Incorrect. See the previous "See above".

8. yea, you've made a bigger effort to make oracle mad

Correct (shocking!). I've responded to aggression with aggression, and it just so happened that he couldn't handle it.

9. you havent been really honest just really mean.  some can be true, but you have been stacking up words with very negetive connotations

Allow me to remind you that Oracle began this conflict by throwing words such as "bullshit" and "making shit up" around. Those have negative connotations as well.

10. i have lurked moar, and yea, you da jerk atm

Lurk moar.

Also, sup with the defence? Are you his attorney? I'm sure Oracle can handle his own arguments perfectly well, especially if he's as good a debater as others so happily claim.

1. yea you are the one with ad hominem
2. i know what thread, the gravity one where you divided everything by dongs
3. i have looked above, still you are the dick first.  dividing by a infinit mass of dog poo is not very smart, and is not fueling a good debate
5. yea what i have stated is what i saw, you were the dick first, oracle matched your tone, then you got more agresive
6. i understand you have apollogized, my point was he deserved it from you, not the other way around
7. ad hominem.  i think most of the people on this thread would agree oracle has been civil
8. sorry i wasnt clea enough, you have made a bigger effort in the beggining to make him mad
9. you dont have to be the first to use profanity to be mean.  showing disrespect on a argument that was meant for debate is far worse imo

Quote from: Oracle on April 12, 2011, 11:13:38 AM

That's because no one bothered to sufficiently test it[...]

Incorrect and very convenient. "It's there, but I won't show it to you because uuuuuuhhhhh I don't feel like it".
If you do not wish to take the challenge, no one's forcing you. However, your laziness and/or ineptitude does not affect the challenge's validity.
In other words: Please come back when you become a serious person.

looks like you started it.  inb4 oracle's profanity
10.instead of telling me to lurk more again, why dont you show me? becuase at hte time of this post, you have still insulted oracle with your last post to him

This thread can only get more BAAAWWWW if saddam would join in.


Kind of entertaining.

1. yea you are the one with ad hominem

>implying there was a "the one" in this case

2. i know what thread, the gravity one where you divided everything by dongs

Now, that's a vast oversimplification.

3. i have looked above, still you are the dick first.  dividing by a infinit mass of dog poo is not very smart, and is not fueling a good debate

Which is in the middle of the argument, long after Oracle's provocation. If your arguments start right in the middle, I fear for your sanity.

5. yea what i have stated is what i saw, you were the dick first, oracle matched your tone, then you got more agresive

See above.

6. i understand you have apollogized, my point was he deserved it from you, not the other way around

So your point was that he should continue being incredibly rude? Sounds like no point at all to me. I'll just assume you didn't have a point.

7. ad hominem.  i think most of the people on this thread would agree oracle has been civil

No, saying "Incorrect" is not an ad hominem. Please learn what an ad hominem is. While you're at it, look up "argumentum ad populum", 'cause that's what you're doing here.

8. sorry i wasnt clea enough, you have made a bigger effort in the beggining to make him mad

Oh, but I assure you, I've made no effort whatsoever. It came naturally, out of annoyance caused by his constant poking and provocations.

9. you dont have to be the first to use profanity to be mean.  showing disrespect on a argument that was meant for debate is far worse imo

Okay, so showing disrespect in an argument is worse than showing disrespect in an argument and using profanity.
From this, we can conclude, that profanity is, in fact, good.
You may want to re-analyse your thinking. May I suggest doing so before posting from now on?

HERP DERP I READ A SINGLE POST IN THE MIDDLE OF A THREAD
looks like you started it.

Incorrect.

10.instead of telling me to lurk more again, why dont you show me?

Lurk moar.

becuase at hte time of this post, you have still insulted oracle with your last post to him

I reiterate my question regarding whether or not you're his attorney and/or civil partner.
Also, you've insulted me multiple times in this thread, with no initial input directed at you from me (aka, by your own logic, you started it). I am now very offended and will leave the forum and please everyone cry about how sad it is that I'm leaving.
Oh, wait, no, I'm not doing that, because you can't offend me with a bunch of ad hominems and ad hominem claims.

epic

ITT: Lovers quarrel.

ITT: Lovers quarrel.

Feeling left out?

I'm sure Oracle can handle his own arguments perfectly well, especially if he's as good a debater as others so happily claim.

Were this a debate, I'm sure that I could.  As it is, I have nothing to further contribute (debate wise).  If people are really that interested in what had transpired in particular between us specifically, they are more than welcome to read it here and come to their own conclusions:

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I reiterate my question regarding whether or not you're his attorney and/or civil partner.
Also, you've insulted me multiple times in this thread, with no initial input directed at you from me (aka, by your own logic, you started it). I am now very offended and will leave the forum and please everyone cry about how sad it is that I'm leaving.
Oh, wait, no, I'm not doing that, because you can't offend me with a bunch of ad hominems and ad hominem claims.

You're not the only reason for my decision to leave, you just happened to be the last straw for me.  A lot of it is that I've just lost interest in not being able to have a semi-serious conversation in a lot of cases.

Oh, no. I was merely trying to talk some sense into you, but you got aggressive. What you're experiencing now is my famous tone matching. In layman's terms, I'm a dick to dicks.
...
You've been constantly offensive, and I've pointed this out on more than one occasion, to no avail. You intentionally continued being uncivil, basing it on automatic bias of which you so eagerly accuse me.
...
Yeah, you've made quite some effort to make me dislike you. I agree that it was not appreciated nor wanted.

Clearly, some people disagree with you besides myself, but again, I'm sorry that you saw it that way.

I'd like to apologize as well if I got carried away at any point, though as much as I hate to say it, I've been mostly honest about my criticism. I guess I could have chosen less blunt words, but that's generally not what I deal in.

Accepted.

Oracle can you please get rid of your quote, it is haunting me.

1.  you are the one with the misconception.  oracle was being civil
2.  who cares if it is oversimplification.  i know what thread it is in.  that was your request
3. unless somehow ridculing one's attempts to show you the gravitatinal pull between objects is a good debate, i dont think you were being a good debater, that respected the debate
5. so now you are telling me what i saw and read myself?
6. sorry i wasnt clear, he deserved the appology from you first.  you did a half-assed appology in response to his
7. ad ho·mi·nemadjective?/?ad ?häm?n?m/
     1.(of an argument or reaction) Arising from or appealing to the emotions and not reason or logic
        i saw no logic for stating i was incorrect, and i saw confirmation bias
8. oh, i assure you, i see effort.  you may not have intended it, but i see it
9. that doesnt adress my point.  my point was disrespect of debate is worse than profanity, not disrepsect is worse thand disrespect and profanity.  furthermore, i went on that thread, and i saw your post precede oracle's agressive posts.  it shows evidence that you started it.  once again, ad hominem
10. at the moment, i am seeing you as the jerk.  im sorry you cannot seem to accept this.

i dont have to be his attourney or lawyer to defend him. 
im fine with starting this becuase i saw you mistreating oracle first.  i know what it feels like to be cyber bullied.  hence i am defending oracle, whom i see as a victim.
you dont have to leave this forum becuase of me.  you shouldnt.  i respect your other posts, but here, you disrespecting him is not nice

1.  you are the one with the misconception.  oracle was being civil

Oracle is a meanie! 

He made me cry once. He did.

1.  you are the one with the misconception.  oracle was being civil

Incorrect.

2.  who cares if it is oversimplification.  i know what thread it is in.  that was your request

Splendid!

3. unless somehow ridculing one's attempts to show you the gravitatinal pull between objects is a good debate, i dont think you were being a good debater, that respected the debate

So you agree that Oracle ridiculing my challenge was not good debate? Great!

5. so now you are telling me what i saw and read myself?

Oh, by no means. Chances are that under various circumstances you have read something completely different. I am merely telling you what there was to be read.

6. sorry i wasnt clear, he deserved the appology from you first.  you did a half-assed appology in response to his

Incorrect.

7. ad ho·mi·nemadjective?/?ad ?häm?n?m/
     1.(of an argument or reaction) Arising from or appealing to the emotions and not reason or logic
        i saw no logic for stating i was incorrect, and i saw confirmation bias

What's the source of this definition? It's entirely invalid.
Here, have a correct one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

8. oh, i assure you, i see effort.  you may not have intended it, but i see it

You see many things. I suggest you contact Ichi and ask him for advice for drug abusers. He's an expert.

9. that doesnt adress my point.  my point was disrespect of debate is worse than profanity, not disrepsect is worse thand disrespect and profanity.  furthermore, i went on that thread, and i saw your post precede oracle's agressive posts.  it shows evidence that you started it.  once again, ad hominem

Again with the seeing things. I know what your point was, and I told you what mine is. My point, however, is relevant to the situation, while yours is not. If you saw me being aggressive before Oracle got aggressive, well, I do recommend contacting Ichi at your nearest convenience. For the record, yes, that is an ad hominem. It's also a very honest one.

10. at the moment, i am seeing you as the jerk.  im sorry you cannot seem to accept this.

I've seen things. I've seen them with my eyes. I've seen things. They're often in disguise...

im fine with starting this becuase i saw you mistreating oracle first.

You saw something that did not happen.

i know what it feels like to be cyber bullied.

Then why do you so strongly insist on cyberbullying me? Double-standards?

you dont have to leave this forum becuase of me.

You flatter yourself just a tad too much. You've entirely missed the sarcasm of my post.

i respect your other posts, but here, you disrespecting him is not nice

You don't need to respect me. Really. Just accept that his post came before mine, or show me that I'm wrong. The order of posts goes as follows:

1. Beorn restates my banana challenge from long ago
2. Oracle ridicules it horribly
3. I join the "debate"

There is no way I could have been disrespectful before I posted, and the post in which he was offensive came before I even saw the thread.