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c47man

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Observable satellites and orbital craft
« on: April 13, 2011, 08:55:19 PM »
Still not getting any answers. Can any FE'ers please explain how it is possible that we can directly observe satellites, space stations, space shuttles, etc. in orbit as they pass overhead? You claim that space travel and orbit is impossible, and yet the ISS is plainly visible as it travels overheard, and with powerful binoculars/telescopes you can make out its shape as well.
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Oracle

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2011, 12:34:44 PM »
How about a non-FE'er explanation using FE models?

The Universal Acceleration funnels back in around the edges of the disk and up to catch the sun and the moon and keep them at a static distance from the earth under the same Accelerative force.

Clearly, in a FE model, if you can get an object into this Universal Acceleration field, it would stay aloft on its own at a constant height from the earth's planar surface, much like the moon and the sun, and then it could maintain a circular orbital path above this surface, in the same fashion as the sun and the moon.
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c47man

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2011, 02:50:11 PM »
So, ignoring all of the obvious physics questions raised by that, how is it that FEers maintain that such flight is not possible, has not happened, and claim a conspiracy whenever any evidence to the contrary is produced?

And if it IS possible, why on earth haven't we as a species gone up there to learn more about the universe? Nobody in their right minds would argue that humans are not naturally inquisitive, and suggesting that we would never have attempted to go into space would be ridiculous.
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iwanttobelieve

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2011, 02:57:19 PM »
All of these vessels are in the fare upper reaches in our atmosphere, which is very possible in disc earth theory.
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Oracle

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2011, 02:58:21 PM »
Because ... actually doing so and achieving an orbit would result in the direct observation of the Earth actually being a globular spheroid, and that evidence would directly fly in the face of FET?  .... Therefore, from this we can conclude that it is not possible... since we know that the Earth is Flat?
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c47man

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2011, 03:05:19 PM »
Quote from: Oracle on April 14, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
Because ... actually doing so and achieving an orbit would result in the direct observation of the Earth actually being a globular spheroid, and that evidence would directly fly in the face of FET?  .... Therefore, from this we can conclude that it is not possible... since we know that the Earth is Flat?

Well, I guess it is just hard to argue against irrational people then, isn't it?
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Oracle

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2011, 03:20:24 PM »
Quote from: c47man on April 14, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Oracle on April 14, 2011, 02:58:21 PM
Because ... actually doing so and achieving an orbit would result in the direct observation of the Earth actually being a globular spheroid, and that evidence would directly fly in the face of FET?  .... Therefore, from this we can conclude that it is not possible... since we know that the Earth is Flat?

Well, I guess it is just hard to argue against irrational people then, isn't it?

Especially when moon shrimp become involved in the discussion ....
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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2011, 04:10:35 PM »
Quote from: c47man on April 13, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
Still not getting any answers. Can any FE'ers please explain how it is possible that we can directly observe satellites, space stations, space shuttles, etc. in orbit as they pass overhead? You claim that space travel and orbit is impossible, and yet the ISS is plainly visible as it travels overheard, and with powerful binoculars/telescopes you can make out its shape as well.


You've seen something 'in orbit' and can verify that it was in fact 'in orbit' based on sight alone?
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Nolhekh

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2011, 04:22:35 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on April 14, 2011, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: c47man on April 13, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
Still not getting any answers. Can any FE'ers please explain how it is possible that we can directly observe satellites, space stations, space shuttles, etc. in orbit as they pass overhead? You claim that space travel and orbit is impossible, and yet the ISS is plainly visible as it travels overheard, and with powerful binoculars/telescopes you can make out its shape as well.


You've seen something 'in orbit' and can verify that it was in fact 'in orbit' based on sight alone?

Something so unaerodynamic and moving so quickly can't possibly be atmospheric.
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c47man

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2011, 04:26:49 PM »
Quote from: Nolhekh on April 14, 2011, 04:22:35 PM
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on April 14, 2011, 04:10:35 PM
Quote from: c47man on April 13, 2011, 08:55:19 PM
Still not getting any answers. Can any FE'ers please explain how it is possible that we can directly observe satellites, space stations, space shuttles, etc. in orbit as they pass overhead? You claim that space travel and orbit is impossible, and yet the ISS is plainly visible as it travels overheard, and with powerful binoculars/telescopes you can make out its shape as well.


You've seen something 'in orbit' and can verify that it was in fact 'in orbit' based on sight alone?

Exactly.

I've watched the ISS go overhead, and I've had binoculars powerful enough to see the shape of the craft, its solar panels, etc. If I owned a telescope I'd take a look through that, but I do not own one.
Something so unaerodynamic and moving so quickly can't possibly be atmospheric.
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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2011, 05:51:08 PM »
Why can't they simply be errant bits of the vast assembly of celestial gears heretofore unobserved in the Heavens? The Flammarion engraving beautifully illustrates the existence of these divine mechanisms.
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iwanttobelieve

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM »
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.
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vhu9644

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2011, 09:58:40 PM »
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.
or maybe they are wheels? then they dont need lube
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Nolhekh

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2011, 10:32:02 AM »
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.
What if they're electromagnetically suspended?
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Oracle

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM »
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?
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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2011, 01:44:46 PM »
Quote from: Oracle on April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?

I have no idea, but I sure hope that it isn't the only reason Celestial Gear Theory has been "debunked".
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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2011, 07:43:08 AM »
Quote from: Oracle on April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?

I think its more to expansion and contraction.  Appropriate lubricants are needed when the gears are exposed to direct sunlight and something is required to reduce the friction and reduce the heat.  Think of it as Transmission Oil and an extra transmission cooling system.

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Oracle

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2011, 08:54:51 AM »
Quote from: berny_74 on April 17, 2011, 07:43:08 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?

I think its more to expansion and contraction.  Appropriate lubricants are needed when the gears are exposed to direct sunlight and something is required to reduce the friction and reduce the heat.  Think of it as Transmission Oil and an extra transmission cooling system.

Berny
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I thought the sun was supposed to be a spotlight/flood light that did not shine on other celestial bodies?  Where are the temperature changes coming from that causes expansion/contraction if there is no direct sunlight?  What about if the celestial gears are sealed units and do not need someone to change out the lubrication over time?
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Nolhekh

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2011, 08:56:51 AM »
Quote from: Oracle on April 17, 2011, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: berny_74 on April 17, 2011, 07:43:08 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?

I think its more to expansion and contraction.  Appropriate lubricants are needed when the gears are exposed to direct sunlight and something is required to reduce the friction and reduce the heat.  Think of it as Transmission Oil and an extra transmission cooling system.

Berny
Cannot believe he is doing this


I thought the sun was supposed to be a spotlight/flood light that did not shine on other celestial bodies?  Where are the temperature changes coming from that causes expansion/contraction if there is no direct sunlight?  What about if the celestial gears are sealed units and do not need someone to change out the lubrication over time?

What if they have magnetic axles?
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hoppy

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2011, 12:20:40 PM »
Quote from: Nolhekh on April 17, 2011, 08:56:51 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 17, 2011, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: berny_74 on April 17, 2011, 07:43:08 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?

I think its more to expansion and contraction.  Appropriate lubricants are needed when the gears are exposed to direct sunlight and something is required to reduce the friction and reduce the heat.  Think of it as Transmission Oil and an extra transmission cooling system.

Berny
Cannot believe he is doing this


I thought the sun was supposed to be a spotlight/flood light that did not shine on other celestial bodies?  Where are the temperature changes coming from that causes expansion/contraction if there is no direct sunlight?  What about if the celestial gears are sealed units and do not need someone to change out the lubrication over time?

What if they have magnetic axles?
What if you have a flat brain?
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Nolhekh

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2011, 12:24:17 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on April 17, 2011, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: Nolhekh on April 17, 2011, 08:56:51 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 17, 2011, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: berny_74 on April 17, 2011, 07:43:08 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?

I think its more to expansion and contraction.  Appropriate lubricants are needed when the gears are exposed to direct sunlight and something is required to reduce the friction and reduce the heat.  Think of it as Transmission Oil and an extra transmission cooling system.

Berny
Cannot believe he is doing this


I thought the sun was supposed to be a spotlight/flood light that did not shine on other celestial bodies?  Where are the temperature changes coming from that causes expansion/contraction if there is no direct sunlight?  What about if the celestial gears are sealed units and do not need someone to change out the lubrication over time?

What if they have magnetic axles?
What if you have a flat brain?
Naturally flat? or round then flattened by some external force?
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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2011, 12:29:04 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on April 17, 2011, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: Nolhekh on April 17, 2011, 08:56:51 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 17, 2011, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: berny_74 on April 17, 2011, 07:43:08 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?

I think its more to expansion and contraction.  Appropriate lubricants are needed when the gears are exposed to direct sunlight and something is required to reduce the friction and reduce the heat.  Think of it as Transmission Oil and an extra transmission cooling system.

Berny
Cannot believe he is doing this


I thought the sun was supposed to be a spotlight/flood light that did not shine on other celestial bodies?  Where are the temperature changes coming from that causes expansion/contraction if there is no direct sunlight?  What about if the celestial gears are sealed units and do not need someone to change out the lubrication over time?

What if they have magnetic axles?
What if you have a flat brain?
What if you play nice?
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vhu9644

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2011, 01:01:47 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on April 17, 2011, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: Nolhekh on April 17, 2011, 08:56:51 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 17, 2011, 08:54:51 AM
Quote from: berny_74 on April 17, 2011, 07:43:08 AM
Quote from: Oracle on April 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Quote from: iwanttobelieve on April 14, 2011, 08:24:32 PM
the celestial gear theory has been debunked due to it has not been determinates who lubricates  this mechanism.
in the cold vastness of space, gears must be lubricated.

If space is a vacuum, how does moisture enter the gears to cause rusting and the need for additional lubrication in the first place?

I think its more to expansion and contraction.  Appropriate lubricants are needed when the gears are exposed to direct sunlight and something is required to reduce the friction and reduce the heat.  Think of it as Transmission Oil and an extra transmission cooling system.

Berny
Cannot believe he is doing this


I thought the sun was supposed to be a spotlight/flood light that did not shine on other celestial bodies?  Where are the temperature changes coming from that causes expansion/contraction if there is no direct sunlight?  What about if the celestial gears are sealed units and do not need someone to change out the lubrication over time?

What if they have magnetic axles?
What if you have a flat brain?
what if you have a 3-d brain?
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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2011, 01:40:00 PM »
What if we all quit asking rhetorical questions? ???
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Nolhekh

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2011, 01:47:45 PM »
Quote from: Around And About on April 17, 2011, 01:40:00 PM
What if we all quit asking rhetorical questions? ???
I wasn't.  Simply, no one seems to be answering questions.
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c47man

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2011, 06:06:37 PM »
We're a little bit off course at this point gentlemen... I still have not heard an explanation for observable satellites and orbital craft other than the explanations provided by RE theory. RE win?
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gotham

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Re: Observable satellites and orbital craft
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2011, 06:32:40 PM »
Quote from: c47man on April 17, 2011, 06:06:37 PM
We're a little bit off course at this point gentlemen... I still have not heard an explanation for observable satellites and orbital craft other than the explanations provided by RE theory. RE win?

No, just a slight digression...
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