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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #480 on: September 16, 2011, 05:04:02 PM »
FES server 1.8 compatible?
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #481 on: September 16, 2011, 05:18:41 PM »
Uh, do we have one anymore?

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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #482 on: September 16, 2011, 06:02:11 PM »
I took mine down for lack of use AND a higher than I'd like electric bill.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #483 on: September 16, 2011, 06:04:44 PM »
I took mine down for lack of use AND a higher than I'd like electric bill.

You don't pay the electricity bill when your server is in a world-class data centre and not your home. Yet another reason to play Wesnoth instead of Minecraft!
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #484 on: September 16, 2011, 06:12:37 PM »
play Wesnoth instead of Minecraft!

False, irrelevant, &c.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #485 on: September 16, 2011, 06:25:18 PM »
I took mine down for lack of use AND a higher than I'd like electric bill.

You don't pay the electricity bill when your server is in a world-class data centre and not your home. Yet another reason to play Wesnoth instead of Minecraft!

Except 2 things you're missing.

1. I'd still have to pay server rental.
2. Minecraft can be played on your server too.  And because it's java based, it's 100% source code accessible to you thus fulfilling at least one definition of "Free" Software.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110813003907AAxwoh1

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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #486 on: September 16, 2011, 06:30:01 PM »
1. I'd still have to pay server rental.

I pay the server rental anyway. It costs me nothing extra to run wesnothd on it.

2. Minecraft can be played on your server too.

Can, but won't.

And because it's java based, it's 100% source code accessible to you thus fulfilling at least one definition of "Free" Software.

Incorrect.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #487 on: September 16, 2011, 06:30:57 PM »
I took mine down for lack of use AND a higher than I'd like electric bill.

You don't pay the electricity bill when your server is in a world-class data centre and not your home. Yet another reason to play Wesnoth instead of Minecraft!

Except 2 things you're missing.

1. I'd still have to pay server rental.
2. Minecraft can be played on your server too.  And because it's java based, it's 100% source code accessible to you thus fulfilling at least one definition of "Free" Software.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110813003907AAxwoh1

The minecraft source code is not available. It is commercial software with DRM.

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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #488 on: September 16, 2011, 06:33:19 PM »
The minecraft source code is not available. It is commercial software with DRM.

This is all true, but being commercial is irrelevant. There exists plenty of commercial free software; Linux is a good example.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #489 on: September 16, 2011, 06:42:51 PM »
I took mine down for lack of use AND a higher than I'd like electric bill.

You don't pay the electricity bill when your server is in a world-class data centre and not your home. Yet another reason to play Wesnoth instead of Minecraft!

Except 2 things you're missing.

1. I'd still have to pay server rental.
2. Minecraft can be played on your server too.  And because it's java based, it's 100% source code accessible to you thus fulfilling at least one definition of "Free" Software.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110813003907AAxwoh1

The minecraft source code is not available. It is commercial software with DRM.
How so?
I've edited the .jar files myself.  I know it's there and in plain text format.

As for DRM:
Please tell me how it has DRM.  I don't seem to have any restrictions on playing it in any way regardless of computer or lack of online login.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #490 on: September 16, 2011, 06:47:49 PM »
How so?
I've edited the .jar files myself.  I know it's there and in plain text format.

Incorrect. JAR files do not typically contain source code. If they did, it would need to be compiled every time you want to run it.

As for DRM:
Please tell me how it has DRM.  I don't seem to have any restrictions on playing it in any way regardless of computer or lack of online login.

Distribution of binary files without source code is a crude form of DRM, as it inhibits modification.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #491 on: September 16, 2011, 06:48:54 PM »
Also:

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/4955141617/the-plan-for-mods

Granted, you have to sign up (for free) to get it and agree to some conditions so it doesn't fit ALL the definitions of Free Software, but you can get the code.

How so?
I've edited the .jar files myself.  I know it's there and in plain text format.

Incorrect. JAR files do not typically contain source code.
These do.

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As for DRM:
Please tell me how it has DRM.  I don't seem to have any restrictions on playing it in any way regardless of computer or lack of online login.
Distribution of binary files without source code is a crude form of DRM, as it inhibits modification.
But you can get the source code.  You just have to ask for it.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #492 on: September 16, 2011, 06:52:40 PM »
Also:

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/4955141617/the-plan-for-mods

Granted, you have to sign up (for free) to get it and agree to some conditions so it doesn't fit ALL the definitions of Free Software, but you can get the code.

This code is not accessible to players, only to mod developers.

These do.

Please provide evidence for this outlandish claim.

But you can get the source code.  You just have to ask for it.

I stand corrected on that count.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #493 on: September 16, 2011, 07:00:49 PM »
Quit shitting up this thread please
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #494 on: September 16, 2011, 07:27:30 PM »
If we paid for a server, it would be purely for Minecraft as we have no other use for a server.

Regardless, I'm not interested. There being an Ocean between everyone else and I shits on the fun of a Minecraft server.

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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #495 on: September 16, 2011, 08:00:44 PM »
If we paid for a server, it would be purely for Minecraft as we have no other use for a server.

Oh yes, absolutely. It isn't as if we all post on a web forum requiring a web server to operate.

There being an Ocean between everyone else and I

Incorrect and grammatically invalid.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #496 on: September 16, 2011, 08:16:18 PM »
If we paid for a server, it would be purely for Minecraft as we have no other use for a server.

Regardless, I'm not interested. There being an Ocean between everyone else and I shits on the fun of a Minecraft server.
It's not so bad if the web server has the connection to handle it.  Most home servers, however, do not.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #497 on: September 16, 2011, 08:17:30 PM »
It's not so bad if the web server has the connection to handle it.  Most home servers, however, do not.

What does a web server have to do with a Minecraft server? ???
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #498 on: September 16, 2011, 08:29:45 PM »
It's not so bad if the web server has the connection to handle it.  Most home servers, however, do not.

What does a web server have to do with a Minecraft server? ???
I incorrectly typed the word web.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #499 on: September 16, 2011, 08:31:09 PM »
I incorrectly typed the word web.

No, you typed it correctly. It just shouldn't have been there.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #500 on: September 16, 2011, 08:49:11 PM »
I incorrectly typed the word web.

No, you typed it correctly. It just shouldn't have been there.
That's what I said.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #501 on: September 16, 2011, 09:09:00 PM »
Oh yes, absolutely. It isn't as if we all post on a web forum requiring a web server to operate.

Daniel.

Incorrect and grammatically invalid.

Even ignoring the Ocean, private connection upload speeds are usually rubbish, and we ruled out paying for a server. As for the grammar, it's Saturday and I don't fuck a give!

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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #502 on: September 17, 2011, 01:22:44 AM »
Just going to chime in and say that King Mugsy's Savage Domain is still available and up to date. I play there regularly. IP is 94.22.109.11:2556
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #503 on: September 17, 2011, 09:40:06 AM »
Tried connecting and it just timed out :(
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #504 on: September 17, 2011, 12:09:45 PM »
I took mine down for lack of use AND a higher than I'd like electric bill.

You don't pay the electricity bill when your server is in a world-class data centre and not your home. Yet another reason to play Wesnoth instead of Minecraft!

Except 2 things you're missing.

1. I'd still have to pay server rental.
2. Minecraft can be played on your server too.  And because it's java based, it's 100% source code accessible to you thus fulfilling at least one definition of "Free" Software.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110813003907AAxwoh1

The minecraft source code is not available. It is commercial software with DRM.
How so?
I've edited the .jar files myself.  I know it's there and in plain text format.

As for DRM:
Please tell me how it has DRM.  I don't seem to have any restrictions on playing it in any way regardless of computer or lack of online login.

  • Even if you have legitimately bought the came you cannot play it online without permission from big bother.
  • If you play a legitimate, paid for copy without an internet connection an annoyance watermark is plastered onto the screen.
  • If you just play it normally (logging onto the minecraft server to verify that you are using a legit copy), then it informs big brother every time you play the game.

Now I would like to say that as DRM goes this is particularly unobtrusive but I still oppose all forms of DRM. Even moderate DRM is a danger because it raises the waterline of what's acceptable. We should reject all forms of DRM that we are not taken advantage of by technology and those in control of it. (Not that anything like that could ever happen outside of science fiction).

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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #505 on: September 17, 2011, 01:09:30 PM »
Fair enough though you can play on servers without logging in provided that server is set to not check verification.


Be me, I agree with DRM. I believe that a business has the right to ensure that it's product is not distributed by an unauthorized distributed.

As for your Sony link, I'm not sure what that has to do with the discussion. They don't want a class action suit against them if they get hacked. So if you're afraid of losing your personal data, don't use it.
To expect perfect security in any system is unreasonable and to sue because a system was not perfect is also unreasonable.
This isn't to say that they shouldn't be held responsible if they intentionally or through negligence do not ensure a standard level of security. But that should be something determined by the courts.
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #506 on: September 17, 2011, 04:42:09 PM »
I pay the server rental anyway. It costs me nothing extra to run wesnothd on it.
What is a wesnothd?

Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #507 on: September 17, 2011, 04:46:29 PM »
Be me, I agree with DRM. I believe that a business has the right to ensure that it's product is not distributed by an unauthorized distributed.

A  business does, but that's not what DRM does.

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« Reply #508 on: September 17, 2011, 05:21:16 PM »
Be me, I agree with DRM. I believe that a business has the right to ensure that it's product is not distributed by an unauthorized distributed.

A  business does, but that's not what DRM does.

How is DRM not designed to ensure the above by restricting the ownership of a digital product to the original purchaser?
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Re: FES Minecraft Server
« Reply #509 on: September 17, 2011, 05:50:57 PM »
What is a wesnothd?

The name of the Wesnoth server program, following the Unix convention of appending a "d" (for "daemon") to services. wesnoth is the name of the Wesnoth client (i.e., the game itself); wesnothd is the name of the Wesnoth server.

How is DRM not designed to ensure the above by restricting the ownership of a digital product to the original purchaser?

Once the software has been purchased from the business, it cannot be considered to belong to the business.

If you buy a laptop, should you be restricted from selling it to a friend when you no longer have a use for it? After all, you would be distributing a product created by a business without their authorisation.
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