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sa9097

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« on: September 04, 2006, 06:20:22 PM »
What would happen if you could somehow drill through the bottom? Not an FE believer, but I can appreciate the theory in terms of a thought experiment.
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« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 07:09:34 PM »
you would probaly fall through or somthing.

Thats kind of like asking what would happen if you drilled a hole strait through a round earth. The answer is oblivous.
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sa9097

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 07:37:26 PM »
What I'm really trying to go at is if it would be an end-of the world scenario. It would seem obvious that a person would fall through, and the atmosphere would eventually follow, unless space isn't a vacuum. And if it is a vacuum, why doesn't it get sucked off the sides?
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2006, 07:39:27 PM »
Well, standard FE hypothesis posits the ice wall (which in FE holds in the atmosphere) as being only 150 feet high, and if this is the case you are right, the atmosphere should slough off on the edges. However Dogplatter believes the ice wall to be thousands of feet, possibly miles high.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2006, 07:39:29 PM »
Use of the search feature would get you much better results.
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sa9097

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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2006, 07:45:07 PM »
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Well, standard FE hypothesis posits the ice wall (which in FE holds in the atmosphere) as being only 150 feet high, and if this is the case you are right, the atmosphere should slough off on the edges. However Dogplatter believes the ice wall to be thousands of feet, possibly miles high.

Even if it were miles high, the vacuum of space would still deplete the atmosphere, as the flat earth's gravity is really just inertia at at work. What keeps it from being sucked out?

If you're having troble visualizing this, think of the earth as a thimble full of water being held under a vacuum hose. Thrusting it upwards isn't going to keep it together.
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2006, 07:46:52 PM »
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the vacuum of space

proof or it doesnt exist.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2006, 07:47:16 PM »
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Well, standard FE hypothesis posits the ice wall (which in FE holds in the atmosphere) as being only 150 feet high, and if this is the case you are right, the atmosphere should slough off on the edges. However Dogplatter believes the ice wall to be thousands of feet, possibly miles high.

Even if it were miles high, the vacuum of space would still deplete the atmosphere, as the flat earth's gravity is really just inertia at at work. What keeps it from being sucked out?


If the ice wall went to the upper reaches of the atmosphere all around, that would keep it from falling off the sides, and inertia would prevent it from escaping at the top.
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sa9097

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2006, 07:51:14 PM »
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proof or it doesnt exist.

That's what I'm going at. According to FE Theory, there shouldn't be a vacuum. In that case, what exactly are the properties of space? Does space truly exist?
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6strings

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2006, 07:52:43 PM »
Well, according to RE theory, space isn't a vacuum either.

Also, FE does not state, nor imply, that space is not a vacuum.
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sa9097

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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2006, 07:55:41 PM »
You're still not answering my question; what are the properties of FE space?

I'm not going to be dragged into an "RE space isn't a vacuum" debate. If its a functional vacuum with a few loose particles, its close enough for my point.
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6strings

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2006, 07:57:33 PM »
Fine, no "vacuum or not" debate.

I'd imagine that the properties of "FE space" are basically the same as those of RE space, given that I see no reason that it must be different.
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« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2006, 07:58:01 PM »
I dont think anyonw knows. In FE, no one or anything has been to space.
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sa9097

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2006, 08:01:55 PM »
We threw empirical observation out the window with a hole being drilled to the bottom. What would you speculate the propeties of FE space are? Could one say that commercial jets, which fly well above 150 feet, sometimes miles high, are a form space travel? Can we even truly say space exists if we haven't been there?
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6strings

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2006, 08:05:13 PM »
Alright, assuming that there's some sort of dome, or a really high ice wall keeping the atmosphere in, then I would speculate that "FE space" is  the same as "RE space".  If, however, this is not the case, I'd guess that the "atmosphere" actually permeates the eniture universe (rendering the term "atmosphere" totally inaccurate...of course if we're already assuming a flat eart, it's already a misnomer).
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sa9097

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2006, 08:14:22 PM »
If such a dome exists, how do you explain day and night? The sun obviously can't orbit out of its daytime position without punching a hole in said dome, which puts us back at the beginning.

On a related note, how do time zones work in FE, ignoring the whole properties of space question? While there would be some difference in brightness from east to west, their day and night should be essentially the same; the sun is either visible or not visible. Sounds more like our "flat Earth" is half a globe.
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2006, 09:06:15 PM »
why does the dome have to be a solid? (Atmosphere)
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2006, 08:22:22 AM »
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why does the dome have to be a solid? (Atmosphere)


Because otherwise the dome itself would fall off the accelerating Earth, and the atmosphere would gush out.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2006, 09:20:34 AM »
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I dont think anyonw knows. In FE, no one or anything has been to space.

This is quite obviously untrue by the many explainations that have already been made for the explosion on the moon.  But perhaps you'd like to shead light on a new hypothesis behind it
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2006, 09:30:15 AM »
he's a devil advocate remember  :x
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philospher

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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2006, 11:57:16 AM »
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he's a devil advocate remember  :x

I fail to understand why this point continues to be brought up, it simply does not matter whether he is acting as a devil's advocate or not, anyone that argues a point should be able to defend their view, whether their point is based on their actual believes or if they are just trying to play devils advocate.
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2006, 07:37:32 PM »
What's under the Earth?  The water of the great deep which extend downwards infinitely.  I still don't understand why some FE'ers here are saying that the Earth accelerates upward.  It doesn't need to in order to explain gravity or the atmospehere.  There is no space in the way the science religion preaches it.  Otherwise the atmosphere would be sucked into space.  Up is up and down is down.  Simple as that.
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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2006, 07:54:52 PM »
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 I still don't understand why some FE'ers here are saying that the Earth accelerates upward.  


Because it was a simple explanation to some complex problems.
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sa9097

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2006, 09:48:01 AM »
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What's under the Earth?  The water of the great deep which extend downwards infinitely.  I still don't understand why some FE'ers here are saying that the Earth accelerates upward.  It doesn't need to in order to explain gravity or the atmospehere.  There is no space in the way the science religion preaches it.  Otherwise the atmosphere would be sucked into space.  Up is up and down is down.  Simple as that.

So I suppose the Earth's hollow, or at least made of buoyant rocks as well? A ring of ice around the edges couldn't possibly keep it afloat by itself.

Also, what about atmospheric pressure? I won't even try to explain the hole it puts in your model, suffice it to say that unless the atmosphere's infinite as well, we may as well have space.
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2006, 09:56:28 AM »
I have seen some FErs promote a 'dome' theory in addition to the ice wall. That would suggest that there is at least a pressure difference between atmosphere and FE space. (n.b. 'dome' is vaguely biblical - think the bible talks of a pre-flood canopy above the earth)

What is to stop atmosphere from diffusing into space is space is not a vacuum?
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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2006, 11:30:21 AM »
There is no need for a dome if you have an accelerating earth and an infinite atmosphere.
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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2006, 11:53:02 AM »
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There is no need for a dome if you have an accelerating earth and an infinite atmosphere.


If the atmosphere is infinite the Earth's velocity should have caused enough friction to burn up the whole planet by now.
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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2006, 11:54:07 AM »
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Well, standard FE hypothesis posits the ice wall (which in FE holds in the atmosphere) as being only 150 feet high, and if this is the case you are right, the atmosphere should slough off on the edges. However Dogplatter believes the ice wall to be thousands of feet, possibly miles high.

Even if it were miles high, the vacuum of space would still deplete the atmosphere, as the flat earth's gravity is really just inertia at at work. What keeps it from being sucked out?

If you're having troble visualizing this, think of the earth as a thimble full of water being held under a vacuum hose. Thrusting it upwards isn't going to keep it together.


Under sufficient acceleration it would.  The issue is not realy what holds it in place, but how high is the wall, and what happens if you go above the wall.

On the RE, a pilar of air reaching up to space is about 14 lbs.  Where does that pressure come from on the FE, is the wall is only a mile or two high?

I've been in Denver (a mile above sea level) and the surrounding mountains (more than two miles above sea level).  None of them we in vaccuum.  And planes, which rely on air to fly, flew above me.
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2006, 12:58:27 PM »
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I have seen some FErs promote a 'dome' theory in addition to the ice wall. That would suggest that there is at least a pressure difference between atmosphere and FE space. (n.b. 'dome' is vaguely biblical - think the bible talks of a pre-flood canopy above the earth)

What is to stop atmosphere from diffusing into space is space is not a vacuum?


But space isn't a vaccuum.
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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2006, 01:19:31 PM »
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Quote from: "curiouspenguin"
I have seen some FErs promote a 'dome' theory in addition to the ice wall. That would suggest that there is at least a pressure difference between atmosphere and FE space. (n.b. 'dome' is vaguely biblical - think the bible talks of a pre-flood canopy above the earth)

What is to stop atmosphere from diffusing into space is space is not a vacuum?


But space isn't a vaccuum.


Near enough, don't quibble.
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