Why do we let our daughters dress like that?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703899704576204580623018562.html

Interesting article. I think there's some truth in what she says but then again I'd disagree with things shes implies when she goes on about how she should have waited until marriage to have sex with her husband and that part of the article.... So I'm caught between partially agreeing that preteens shouldn't be wearing 'sluttly' clothes but then I don't think all sex is automatically bad as a teen like she seems to imply among other things.

Thoughts?

How do you teach kids to be reasonable, to like themselves, and to engage in meaningful relationships?

This just in: Children are getting sexier and that's... just great...

How subtlety slipping the message of no sex before marriage into that article

This sexualisation of the young is a cultural hang-over from the ancient Greeks, who typically married girls in their early teens, and routinely had same-sex relations with barely pubescent boys. The influence of ancient Greek culture on our society is a force for evil against us as we struggle to uphold a basic morality.

This sexualisation of the young is a cultural hang-over from the ancient Greeks, who typically married girls in their early teens, and routinely had same-sex relations with barely pubescent boys. The influence of ancient Greek culture on our society is a force for evil against us as we struggle to uphold a basic morality.

That wasn't limited to the Greeks ya know.

This sexualisation of the young is a cultural hang-over from the ancient Greeks, who typically married girls in their early teens, and routinely had same-sex relations with barely pubescent boys. The influence of ancient Greek culture on our society is a force for evil against us as we struggle to uphold a basic morality.

I think your spelling 'catholic priest' wrong.   

ITT; the fashion police.

The reasons are simple; society and socialisation.

This sexualisation of the young is a cultural hang-over from the ancient Greeks, who typically married girls in their early teens, and routinely had same-sex relations with barely pubescent boys. The influence of ancient Greek culture on our society is a force for evil against us as we struggle to uphold a basic morality.

So you associate teens wearing sluttier clothes with statutory rape?

Ancient Greek children used to wear revealing robes in order to entice elderly sophists to fornicate with them.

This sexualisation of the young is a cultural hang-over from the ancient Greeks, who typically married girls in their early teens, and routinely had same-sex relations with barely pubescent boys. The influence of ancient Greek culture on our society is a force for evil against us as we struggle to uphold a basic morality.

It's not a sexualisation of the young. It is an attempt to hold on to innocence for a longer period by demanding our young stay chaste and unmarried until they reach a certain age.

This sexualisation of the young is a cultural hang-over from the ancient Greeks, who typically married girls in their early teens, and routinely had same-sex relations with barely pubescent boys. The influence of ancient Greek culture on our society is a force for evil against us as we struggle to uphold a basic morality.

With the exception of the man love part, almost everyone did that up until the Enlightenment. Mainly because lives were shorter and parents simply wouldn't have the time to bring up children if they didn't do it early on.

Ancient Greek children used to wear revealing robes in order to entice elderly sophists to fornicate with them.

May I ask what led you to this conclusion without actually having lived in the time period?

Ancient Greek children used to wear revealing robes in order to entice elderly sophists to fornicate with them.

Ancient Roman vomitoriums weren't actually for vomiting, but were simply entrances to stairways in the Colosseum.

Quote from: James on March 26, 2011, 03:29:05 PM

Ancient Greek children used to wear revealing robes in order to entice elderly sophists to fornicate with them.

Ancient Roman vomitoriums weren't actually for vomiting, but were simply entrances to stairways in the Colosseum.

Yes, but vomiting on purpose was still a part of Roman life.  They had slaves dedicated to just the task of cleaning the vomit from ones face as he ate. 

Quote from: James on March 26, 2011, 03:29:05 PM

Ancient Greek children used to wear revealing robes in order to entice elderly sophists to fornicate with them.

May I ask what led you to this conclusion without actually having lived in the time period?

I'm also curious

http://www.styleite.com/media/8-year-old-daughter-botox/

I think this should be counted as child abuse.

I must say the show Toddlers and Tiaras is probably one of the most disturbing main stream shows on TV.

I must say the show Toddlers and Tiaras is probably one of the most disturbing main stream shows on TV.

Is it a toddler beauty pageant show or something?
I first saw that in a movie little miss sunshine, I was quite shocked when I found out it actually exists.

http://www.styleite.com/media/8-year-old-daughter-botox/

I think this should be counted as child abuse.

Thanks for the link to the horribly biased review. I don't care what you are reporting on, you should at least keep the appearance of being neutral.

Quote from: Beorn on March 30, 2011, 05:11:34 AM

http://www.styleite.com/media/8-year-old-daughter-botox/

I think this should be counted as child abuse.

Thanks for the link to the horribly biased review. I don't care what you are reporting on, you should at least keep the appearance of being neutral.

I got it from a dutch unbiased review, couldn't take the effort to find an english unbiased one.

Quote from: Beorn on March 30, 2011, 05:11:34 AM

http://www.styleite.com/media/8-year-old-daughter-botox/

I think this should be counted as child abuse.

Thanks for the link to the horribly biased review. I don't care what you are reporting on, you should at least keep the appearance of being neutral.

Looks like a fashion newsletter. How unbiased do you expect it to be?

Quote from: Raist on March 30, 2011, 09:01:21 PM

Quote from: Beorn on March 30, 2011, 05:11:34 AM

http://www.styleite.com/media/8-year-old-daughter-botox/

I think this should be counted as child abuse.

Thanks for the link to the horribly biased review. I don't care what you are reporting on, you should at least keep the appearance of being neutral.

Looks like a fashion newsletter. How unbiased do you expect it to be?

If i'm linked to it during a reasonable discussion I expect it to be fairly unbiased. Even the shittiest reporters will write in a less biased manner than whoever did that piece.

Quote from: Wendy on March 31, 2011, 04:30:52 AM

Quote from: Raist on March 30, 2011, 09:01:21 PM

Quote from: Beorn on March 30, 2011, 05:11:34 AM

http://www.styleite.com/media/8-year-old-daughter-botox/

I think this should be counted as child abuse.

Thanks for the link to the horribly biased review. I don't care what you are reporting on, you should at least keep the appearance of being neutral.

Looks like a fashion newsletter. How unbiased do you expect it to be?

If i'm linked to it during a reasonable discussion I expect it to be fairly unbiased. Even the shittiest reporters will write in a less biased manner than whoever did that piece.

I missed the part where something was being discusses. Anyway, you're right, next time I'll get a less biased article.

Quote from: Raist on March 31, 2011, 10:33:59 AM

Quote from: Wendy on March 31, 2011, 04:30:52 AM

Quote from: Raist on March 30, 2011, 09:01:21 PM

Quote from: Beorn on March 30, 2011, 05:11:34 AM

http://www.styleite.com/media/8-year-old-daughter-botox/

I think this should be counted as child abuse.

Thanks for the link to the horribly biased review. I don't care what you are reporting on, you should at least keep the appearance of being neutral.

Looks like a fashion newsletter. How unbiased do you expect it to be?

If i'm linked to it during a reasonable discussion I expect it to be fairly unbiased. Even the shittiest reporters will write in a less biased manner than whoever did that piece.

I missed the part where something was being discusses. Anyway, you're right, next time I'll get a less biased article.

It wasn't a criticism of you. It was just my anger towards whoever wrote that opinion piece disguised as a news article.

Because the more sexually open will statistically be more likely to have childeren.

The more sexually open are more likely to set an example to said childeren that dressing like that is okay and that it is good to be more sexually open.

As a 20-year-old virgin who spends WAYYYY too much time arguing on the internet I am all for it.

Because the more sexually open will statistically be more likely to have childeren.

The more sexually open are more likely to set an example to said childeren that dressing like that is okay and that it is good to be more sexually open.

As a 20-year-old virgin who spends WAYYYY too much time arguing on the internet I am all for it.

You are all for 13-14 year old kids dressing like sluts?

Quote from: Demouse on April 06, 2011, 04:10:16 AM

Because the more sexually open will statistically be more likely to have childeren.

The more sexually open are more likely to set an example to said childeren that dressing like that is okay and that it is good to be more sexually open.

As a 20-year-old virgin who spends WAYYYY too much time arguing on the internet I am all for it.

You are all for 13-14 year old kids dressing like sluts?

makes it more likely they will continue to do so once they are 18-19

so... YEP!

And no... I am not an overweight neckbeard pervert.

I simply have a healthy appreacaition for the feamale form... and no girlfriend.

Quote from: Beorn on April 06, 2011, 05:47:38 AM

Quote from: Demouse on April 06, 2011, 04:10:16 AM

Because the more sexually open will statistically be more likely to have childeren.

The more sexually open are more likely to set an example to said childeren that dressing like that is okay and that it is good to be more sexually open.

As a 20-year-old virgin who spends WAYYYY too much time arguing on the internet I am all for it.

You are all for 13-14 year old kids dressing like sluts?

makes it more likely they will continue to do so once they are 18-19

so... YEP!

And no... I am not an overweight neckbeard pervert.

I simply have a healthy appreacaition for the feamale form... and no girlfriend.

Women should be put on a pedestal and treated with the utmost respect.  There may be a reason you dont have a girlfriend.  You think of them as a vagina/boob life support system.