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bsman

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« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2006, 08:30:14 PM »
your traveling with the earth's curvature but it seems like your going straight and thats the straight im talking about

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« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2006, 08:32:18 PM »
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your traveling with the earth's curvature but it seems like your going straight and thats the straight im talking about


On a FE you're traveling in a curve but it seems like you're going straight. That's the straight we're talking about.

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« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2006, 08:35:19 PM »
HOW CAN THERE BE A CURVE ON THE FE IF ITS FLAT!!!

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« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2006, 08:36:58 PM »
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HOW CAN THERE BE A CURVE ON THE FE IF ITS FLAT!!!


You're traveling in a curve because you've gone west. West in the FE theory is a curve, just like in the RE theory.

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« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2006, 08:38:38 PM »
Well you lost me and it has nothing to do with my point

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« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2006, 08:39:42 PM »
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Well you lost me and it has nothing to do with my point


What is your point?

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« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2006, 08:42:44 PM »
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Well you lost me and it has nothing to do with my point


What is your point?
 


That you only need to go straight ( 2-d ) to to asia from america and in FE you have to do this loop thing

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« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2006, 08:43:22 PM »
thats a fact so it makes your flat earth idea pointless

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« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2006, 08:44:05 PM »
Not exactly, you just have to go west.

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« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2006, 08:46:23 PM »
If you're travelling in a circle around the north pole in the RE, and you're travelling in a circle around the north pole in the FE, then what the heck is the difference?!?!?!
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« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2006, 08:47:07 PM »
thats FE west not RE west

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« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2006, 08:48:53 PM »
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thats FE west not RE west


They are the same thing. FE west takes you the same places as RE west.

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« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2006, 08:54:06 PM »
Ok this is getting annoying


did you see my drawings of FE and RE ways to asia ?

Then thats what im saying


You just dont do that in REAL LIFE

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« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2006, 08:57:00 PM »
You don't do it on a FE, either.

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« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2006, 12:04:40 AM »
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A jet cant beat gravity a rocket can because it produces more thrust

The F-15 can accelerate straight up.  The the lift produced by the wings is not contributing.  So there you go, a jet can do it too.
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itself i was refering to gravity

The airplane only does it by itself when it's on autopilot.


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« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2006, 01:51:33 AM »
Here's a question: Do you flat earthers believe half the earth is lit up by the sun?

Take the spherical earth, split it open at the bottom and stretch the bottom out to a wide circle. This is how flat earthers imagine the earth to be. The equator is now a circle. This also means the southern hemisphere is now a lot bigger than the northern hemisphere. Unless you shift the equator line out a lot, but that would require a lot more shifting of countries etc...

Now, the sun travels more or less around the equator, like a "spotlight" (says the faq), how can it light up half the planet? Well, the light would have to be shaped like a D to cover the same area it would if the earth was a sphere. If you say "who says it has to?", then I say, "we, as a people, observe the sun like this. The human race observes the sun lighting up half the planet". This is undisputable.

Now how can a spotlight create a giant D shape? Why does it have a sharp cutoff point through the north pole? How does it light up southern countries X miles from the south pole, equally and opposite the way it does northern countries X miles from the north pole, when in the Flat Earth diagram the north and south poles are shaped completely different?

Get in a plane and travel south. Pass the south pole, and begin heading north again. No, you didn't miraculously turn around because the government brainwashed you. What you did was fly around the bottom of the spherical earth.

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« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2006, 08:29:10 AM »
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A jet cant beat gravity a rocket can because it produces more thrust

The F-15 can accelerate straight up.  The the lift produced by the wings is not contributing.  So there you go, a jet can do it too.
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itself i was refering to gravity

The airplane only does it by itself when it's on autopilot.


NO a jet cannot beat gravity....btw when you beat gravity is when you leave this atmosphere which a jet cannot do


Gravity keeps you on the curveture of earth in RE

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« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2006, 08:32:04 AM »
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A jet cant beat gravity a rocket can because it produces more thrust

The F-15 can accelerate straight up.  The the lift produced by the wings is not contributing.  So there you go, a jet can do it too.
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itself i was refering to gravity

The airplane only does it by itself when it's on autopilot.


NO a jet cannot beat gravity....btw when you beat gravity is when you leave this atmosphere which a jet cannot do


Well then I suppose you need to be more careful to define your terms. I don't see how leaving the atmosphere is "beating gravity" more than just flying straight up for a while, but whatever. I would say "beating gravity" is making a de-orbit burn.
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« Reply #78 on: September 05, 2006, 08:35:42 AM »
your beating gravity becuase your escaping the force thats pushing you down

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« Reply #79 on: September 05, 2006, 08:45:01 AM »
You're beating gravity because you're not accelerating towards Earth.

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« Reply #80 on: September 05, 2006, 09:18:47 AM »
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You're beating gravity because you're not accelerating towards Earth.


Ok according to RE theory of gravity


when you jump you fall back down right?

Well with the invention of an airplane we tried to go into spacewith propellers. It didnt work you could only go so far before falling down (stall)


With the V-2 rocket being succesful people started wondering if they could reach space with this technology

Well with the invention of a jet engine we tried to go but it didnt work. But we did get higher than the propeller


After ww2 the v-2 rocket designer was captured and started work on trying to beat  the soviets.


by the late 50's and 60's rocketry had been almost perfected

And in time they finally made a rocket powerful enough to leave the earths atmoshpere meaning they had beaten the force of gravity


And in 1969 we landed on the moon

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« Reply #81 on: September 05, 2006, 03:37:39 PM »
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You're beating gravity because you're not accelerating towards Earth.

Also my definition.


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« Reply #82 on: September 05, 2006, 03:50:45 PM »
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Well with the invention of an airplane we tried to go into spacewith propellers. It didnt work you could only go so far before falling down (stall)

How do you come up with this crap?  Who tried to go into space with a propeller?  You know, seeing as how people knew there was no air in space, thus a naturally aspirated engine would have no air to use and a propeller would be worthless.
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Well with the invention of a jet engine we tried to go but it didnt work. But we did get higher than the propeller

Same thing, a jet engine breathes air, so why would anyone try to make it work in a place where there was none?


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« Reply #83 on: September 05, 2006, 03:53:57 PM »
I'm sure someone tried to go into space with a plane

Anyone dumb enough

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« Reply #84 on: September 05, 2006, 03:55:12 PM »
And actually a jet engine perfoms best at high altitiudes

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« Reply #85 on: September 05, 2006, 04:19:24 PM »
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And actually a jet engine perfoms best at high altitiudes


Below a certain limit, where the air grows too thin for the (air-breathing) engine to operate
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« Reply #86 on: September 05, 2006, 09:53:44 PM »
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I'm sure someone tried to go into space with a plane

Anyone dumb enough


I think you answered your own question.

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« Reply #87 on: September 05, 2006, 10:35:01 PM »
Se it's threads like these that make reading this forum so much fun! The FEther use circular logic to evade and distort certain questions that are rather clear to understand. And on the other side you have the REthers who totaly get caught up in the distortions and end up explaining things the FEther already understood and that they never actually said.

Beautiful! Now please.... go on :)

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« Reply #88 on: September 05, 2006, 11:48:28 PM »
I see that BSMAN never quite understood the point that going "west" on an FE map means going in a circle, and not a straight line. I don't think he understands that the North Pole is in the middle and going "west" means circling around it.

Another thing, he says pilots would have to correct the plane to go in a circle instead of going straight. Mind you, pilots (human or autopilot) constantly make minute corrections to their direction to follow the correct flight plan. Since we are talking about such distances, these corrections amount to mere fractions of a degree and not noticeable sharp turns. You can fly in a circle and think you are going in a straight line, because the corrections are so small.

Regarding "beating gravity", I beat gravity every time I jump up. The definition of beating gravity as going higher than the atmosphere is something I never heard about, must be one of BSMAN's inventions. If anything, beating gravity (in RE theory) would be to get far enough away from the earth not to be pulled by its gravity anymore. Simply getting above the atmosphere doesn't do it.

I have had much pleasure in BSMAN's inability to grasp how you can go "west" in a circle on an FE map and how it's possible to go straight between any two points on the flat map without hitting the ice wall. Do it this way: Find Hong Kong and Los Angeles, take a ruler, and draw a straight line between them.  You will see that (on a RE globe) you would have to fly in an arc, whereas on an FE map it's straight.  Why do you think all the planes arc their flights through Greenland instead of flying straight west?  It's because our flight paths are the truest and shortest distance. They only look like arcs on a RE globe because it's inaccurate.

So quit being so closed-minded, BSMAN, and convince yourself of what the truth really is.