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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2006, 07:28:16 PM »
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Okay, if the earth is a big flat disc and north pole is in the middle, why is the south pole stretched around the outside? Does space-time bend as you approach the south pole? Does the light created by the "sun-spotlight thing" form a semicircle to light up half the planet? The answers quite clearly are no.
Everything we have learnt over these last hundred years, everything we know, everything we SEE tells us the world is a sphere. Why do you people choose to believe a flat earth? Nothing leads you to believe in it, not even your eyes.


This is all answered in the FAQ.

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« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2006, 07:38:41 PM »
No, it isn't explained in the FAQ. We all understand half the earth is lit up at a time by the sun, right, this is easy to understand with a round earth, but a flat earth? You would need a half-circle of light to be cast upon half the flat earth. More than that, you would need the edges of the half-circle to bend nearly 90 degrees, to give the appearance of sunset/sunrise. More than THAT, you would need the southernmost countries (closer to the icewall, such as New Zealand) to have a much larger stretch of sunlight to match the smaller area of northern countries, i.e britain etc.

A half circle of light. No.

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« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2006, 07:42:39 PM »
From the FAQ:

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Q: "What about the stars, sun and moon and other planets? Are they flat too? What are they made of?"

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions as a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions.

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

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« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2006, 07:46:47 PM »
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http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k291/wivo_01/untitled-1.jpg

this is the FE way


Not at all. As I said, look at the logo at the top of the page for a map of the FE. It's perfectly possible to circumnavigate the FE.

*edit* The white spot in the center is the north pole.

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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2006, 07:52:08 PM »
I know that but what im saying is that u need only go straight and u hit asia but in your FE u have to make a turn otherwise you will hit the ice wall

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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2006, 07:54:29 PM »
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I know that but what im saying is that u need only go straight and u hit asia but in your FE u have to make a turn otherwise you will hit the ice wall


If you take off in a straight line in the RE model you will fly off into space, to get to Asia you must curve over Earth's surface. Just like the FE model.

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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2006, 07:57:35 PM »
which of course is inaccurate because we all know that the pacific seperates asia from america

not ice wall from america its a proven fact

so when somebody crashes into a ice wall then i might believe this theory

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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2006, 07:58:58 PM »
... wtf.
did you look at a FE map?
quote="DiegoDraw"]"And Moses said unto his brethren: 'The Earth is flat!...biznatches,'" [/quote]
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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2006, 07:59:13 PM »
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which of course is inaccurate because we all know that the pacific seperates asia from america

not ice wall from america its a proven fact

so when somebody crashes into a ice wall then i might believe this theory


Look at the map FFS the ice wall is NOT between America and anywhere.

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« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2006, 08:00:38 PM »
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which of course is inaccurate because we all know that the pacific seperates asia from america

not ice wall from america its a proven fact

Of course, this is all bullocks, because we all know that our government is being controlled by shapeshifting turquoise ostriches; it's a proven fact.

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« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2006, 08:00:41 PM »
the earth is like a flat disk. The north poll is at the center, the south poll is streched out around the edges.
edit: kind of like the FES logo
quote="DiegoDraw"]"And Moses said unto his brethren: 'The Earth is flat!...biznatches,'" [/quote]
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« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2006, 08:03:27 PM »
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which of course is inaccurate because we all know that the pacific seperates asia from america

not ice wall from america its a proven fact

so when somebody crashes into a ice wall then i might believe this theory


I see what you mean now. Yes, if you went in a straight line on the FE you would eventually hit the ice wall, much the same as you would fly out into space on a RE. But, if you travel east or west on the FE you will never hit the ice wall, so going to Asia from north America is not problematic.

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« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2006, 08:05:00 PM »
i meen that the aircraft takes off and gets level meaning the aircraft stop climbing

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GeoGuy

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« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2006, 08:06:32 PM »
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i meen that the aircraft takes off and gets level meaning the aircraft stop climbing


Yes, I suppose the airplane would eventually level off and sop gaining altitude. But I don't see how that has anything to do with the shape of the earth.

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« Reply #45 on: September 04, 2006, 08:07:29 PM »
If the aircraft stayed level, it would fly off into space.  A jet has to fly a curved path in the RE in order to maintain a specific altitude.


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« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2006, 08:10:27 PM »
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If the aircraft stayed level, it would fly off into space.  A jet has to fly a curved path in the RE in order to maintain a specific altitude.


Ah, now I see what he meant. I think.

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« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2006, 08:10:35 PM »
And again i know its not problematic but the point is you cant in RE because if you travel east or west in the pacific you end up back in the americas. Im just saying its not true you dont have to turn in oreder get to asia , you just have to go straight( in level flight )

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« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2006, 08:13:45 PM »
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And again i know its not problematic but the point is you cant in RE because if you travel east or west in the pacific you end up back in the americas. Im just saying its not true you dont have to turn in oreder get to asia , you just have to go straight( in level flight )


If you travel east or west on a FE you end up back in the Americas too. And you're not going in a straight line, you're moving in a curved path to stay at a constant altitude with respect to Earth's surface.

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« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2006, 08:13:51 PM »
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If the aircraft stayed level, it would fly off into space.  A jet has to fly a curved path in the RE in order to maintain a specific altitude.



gravity keeps you  with the curve duh

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« Reply #50 on: September 04, 2006, 08:14:25 PM »
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And again i know its not problematic but the point is you cant in RE because if you travel east or west in the pacific you end up back in the americas. Im just saying its not true you dont have to turn in oreder get to asia , you just have to go straight( in level flight )

In the RE, you must be flying a curved path to go around the earth.  In the FE, you must fly a curved path to go around the earth.


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« Reply #51 on: September 04, 2006, 08:14:56 PM »
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gravity keeps you with the curve duh



...Would you mind elaborating a bit please?

You're still not moving in a straight line, no matter the cause.

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« Reply #52 on: September 04, 2006, 08:16:31 PM »
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gravity keeps you  with the curve duh

Uh, no.  A jet has these things on the wings that provide thrust.  That thrust allows a jet to 'beat' gravity.


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« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2006, 08:17:54 PM »
GeoGuy is right.  If you travel from one point on the RE model in a straight line, you will go into space.  Imagine a rule touching a basket ball.  That is a straight line.  In order to go around the RE, you need to go in a circle (i.e. make turns).  

Even pilots us a north polar projection map, which is really the FE map.  Plus, physicists and other scientists use what is called a beta map for calculations.  It is the FE map also.  It is more accurate because it is the true model.
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« Reply #54 on: September 04, 2006, 08:19:25 PM »
i know that im actually flying a curved path but everyone is in a curved path since the earth is a sphere in RE

Also when flying level theres an optical allusion so you think your level but your actually not

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« Reply #55 on: September 04, 2006, 08:20:50 PM »
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i know that im actually flying a curved path but everyone is in a curved path since the earth is a sphere in RE


Then why are you arguing?  You can't go in a straight line!


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« Reply #56 on: September 04, 2006, 08:22:03 PM »
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gravity keeps you  with the curve duh

Uh, no.  A jet has these things on the wings that provide thrust.  That thrust allows a jet to 'beat' gravity.


the thrust from a jet alone canot "beat" gravity

you dont have to adjust an airplane it does it by itself

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« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2006, 08:25:20 PM »
gravity keeps you in a curved path ok

you got me on that one but i meant that you the pilot doesnt hve to turn the plane left and right

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« Reply #58 on: September 04, 2006, 08:25:58 PM »
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the thrust from a jet alone canot "beat" gravity


So how does a rocket work?
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you dont have to adjust an airplane it does it by itself

Yea, when it's air speed drops and it stalls.


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« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2006, 08:27:39 PM »
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the thrust from a jet alone canot "beat" gravity


So how does a rocket work?
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you dont have to adjust an airplane it does it by itself

Yea, when it's air speed drops and it stalls.
 


A jet cant beat gravity a rocket can because it produces more thrust


itself i was refering to gravity