Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?

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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2011, 11:40:32 PM »
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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2011, 10:11:17 AM »
Singularity Theory is a bunch of crap. Just because we can make computers which calculate basic equations a little faster every six months doesn't mean that we'll ever invent Artificial Intelligence.

Artificial Intelligence is a software problem, not a hardware problem.

Computer hardware may be getting twice as fast every six months, but are computer programmers getting twice as smart every six months? No. They are not.
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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2011, 11:12:33 AM »
Singularity Theory is a bunch of crap. Just because we can make computers which calculate basic equations a little faster every six months doesn't mean that we'll ever invent Artificial Intelligence.

Artificial Intelligence is a software problem, not a hardware problem.

Computer hardware may be getting twice as fast every six months, but are computer programmers getting twice as smart every six months? No. They are not.

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How doesn't it? Modern AI use algorithms for problem solving and reasoning. The more complex the puzzle, the more time and memory a computer requires to solve it. Right now that is a problem because complex things take monumental amounts of both of them, but if in the future processing speeds are blindingly fast, then this would not be an issue.

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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2011, 12:36:56 PM »
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How doesn't it? Modern AI use algorithms for problem solving and reasoning. The more complex the puzzle, the more time and memory a computer requires to solve it. Right now that is a problem because complex things take monumental amounts of both of them, but if in the future processing speeds are blindingly fast, then this would not be an issue.

No. It doesn't mater how fast the computers are. The development of AI, or any software program, isn't connected to the speed of computers. AI wouldn't need fast computers to operate. An AI could perform on slow computers, it would just take longer.

Similarly, the rendering of an animated motion picture is unconnected to the speed of the computers. The movie Toy Story 3 wasn't rendered in real time. It didn't need to. Rendering took weeks, if not months to complete. Rendering was done on massive server farms over long periods of time. It doesn't matter how fast the computers were. The rendering got done when it got done.

Windows 7 and Maya 3D can run on a Pentium I. Just don't expect it to be very fast.

The problem in Artificial Intelligence isn't a hardware problem. There is no reason why an Artificial Intelligence program couldn't exist and operate on existing super computers and server farms.

The problem with Artificial Intelligence is a software problem. No one has figured out how to do it. Throwing fancy new computer hardware at it won't solve an intelligence problem.
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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2011, 09:13:08 PM »
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How doesn't it? Modern AI use algorithms for problem solving and reasoning. The more complex the puzzle, the more time and memory a computer requires to solve it. Right now that is a problem because complex things take monumental amounts of both of them, but if in the future processing speeds are blindingly fast, then this would not be an issue.

No. It doesn't mater how fast the computers are. The development of AI, or any software program, isn't connected to the speed of computers. AI wouldn't need fast computers to operate. An AI could perform on slow computers, it would just take longer.

Similarly, the rendering of an animated motion picture is unconnected to the speed of the computers. The movie Toy Story 3 wasn't rendered in real time. It didn't need to. Rendering took weeks, if not months to complete. Rendering was done on massive server farms over long periods of time. It doesn't matter how fast the computers were. The rendering got done when it got done.

Windows 7 and Maya 3D can run on a Pentium I. Just don't expect it to be very fast.

The problem in Artificial Intelligence isn't a hardware problem. There is no reason why an Artificial Intelligence program couldn't exist and operate on existing super computers and server farms.

The problem with Artificial Intelligence is a software problem. No one has figured out how to do it. Throwing fancy new computer hardware at it won't solve an intelligence problem.

well, it needs enough RAM to work
i dont think you ever rendered something that was too taxing on your computer...
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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2011, 10:26:00 PM »
Singularity Theory is a bunch of crap. Just because we can make computers which calculate basic equations a little faster every six months doesn't mean that we'll ever invent Artificial Intelligence.

Artificial Intelligence is a software problem, not a hardware problem.

Computer hardware may be getting twice as fast every six months, but are computer programmers getting twice as smart every six months? No. They are not.
Programming on limited resources is a completely different beast than programming on unlimited resources.  However, you are correct, like I said earlier, AI needs an Einstein.

IMO, the problem is not whether ai exists though;  there may be problems that are simply impossible for a computer to solve.  This is where my other earlier comment comes in.
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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2011, 03:48:19 AM »
yes.


Given enough time a computer could easily beome as complex as the human brain but with the ability to store up far more knowledge.

Given more time it could become more complex than the human brain but with the ability to store up far more knowledge and far less buggy.

Given even more time it will become unknowably intellegant with the ability to store up vast ammounts of knowledge and with no bugs.

At some point a computer will be able to simulate a universe.

so Yes.

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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2011, 05:02:22 AM »
yes.

How about no.

Given enough time a computer could easily beome as complex as the human brain but with the ability to store up far more knowledge.
And we all know a human brain is incapable of solving every problem, so your argument is flawed.

Given more time it could become more complex than the human brain but with the ability to store up far more knowledge and far less buggy.

Given even more time it will become unknowably intellegant with the ability to store up vast ammounts of knowledge and with no bugs.
This is like saying birds will at some point evolve to fly as fast as airplanes. Given enough time, they will be able to travel to the Moon.

At some point a computer will be able to simulate a universe.
Yes, when it becomes the size of one.

so Yes.
Well, not really.

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As far as your participation in it, I would agree.

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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2011, 05:18:34 AM »


How about no.

How about yes

And we all know a human brain is incapable of solving every problem, so your argument is flawed.

I never said this computer could solve every problem, I was merely stating it could reach this point.



This is like saying birds will at some point evolve to fly as fast as airplanes. Given enough time, they will be able to travel to the Moon.

Given enough time and the correct and directed stimuli they will.



Yes, when it becomes the size of one.

Given enough time a computer could be created which is the size of the universe


Well, not really.

No, yes really, Alot can be acheaved... Given enough time

As far as your participation in it, I would agree.

NOPE!

Although, I guess i got the </thread> wrong, so you got me there


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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2011, 07:24:07 AM »

At some point a computer will be able to simulate a universe.
Yes, when it becomes the size of one.


Also it could simulate the universe at a low speed or lowered detail on atoms but the same baisic interactions between them while being smaller than the universe


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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2011, 02:12:36 PM »
This is like saying birds will at some point evolve to fly as fast as airplanes. Given enough time, they will be able to travel to the Moon.

Given enough time and the correct and directed stimuli they will.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Simply stating it could happened is that the same as proving it could happen.

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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2011, 05:41:12 PM »
This is like saying birds will at some point evolve to fly as fast as airplanes. Given enough time, they will be able to travel to the Moon.

Given enough time and the correct and directed stimuli they will.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Simply stating it could happened is that the same as proving it could happen.


Given Enough Time and a correct and directed stimuli
you could evolve a bid into a space station.


by the time you had the resourses and knowledge to do so however you wouldn't need to.

Given Enough Time practically anything is possible


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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2011, 06:01:16 PM »
This is like saying birds will at some point evolve to fly as fast as airplanes. Given enough time, they will be able to travel to the Moon.

Given enough time and the correct and directed stimuli they will.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Simply stating it could happened is that the same as proving it could happen.


Given Enough Time and a correct and directed stimuli
you could evolve a bid into a space station.


by the time you had the resourses and knowledge to do so however you wouldn't need to.

Given Enough Time practically anything is possible

You still haven't gave any reason to support that it is possible. Just because you like saying, "Given enough time, we an do what we want" doesn't mean we can.

Please give us some evidence that birds could actually evolve so that they could fly to the moon.

All you have done so far is state "we can do it" with out actually showing that we can. So far you are making empty claims.

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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2011, 06:19:46 PM »
This is like saying birds will at some point evolve to fly as fast as airplanes. Given enough time, they will be able to travel to the Moon.

Given enough time and the correct and directed stimuli they will.

Do you have any evidence to support this outlandish claim?

Simply stating it could happened is that the same as proving it could happen.


Given Enough Time and a correct and directed stimuli
you could evolve a bid into a space station.


by the time you had the resourses and knowledge to do so however you wouldn't need to.

Given Enough Time practically anything is possible
Also, your grammar is appalling.
Normally when I'm not sure I just cop a feel.

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Re: Will computers become so advanced that they can solve any problem?
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2011, 03:53:20 AM »
Okay, I'll take back the bird thing since DNA has finite limitations.

I still maintain however that given infinite time we could make a computer capable of calulating every possible action that could be taken in responce to a situation and then determining which is the correct course of action.


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