Lawful rebellion

In other words, bullshit.

I agree, they assaulted a man, and possibly committed false imprisonment.  I'm not sure what the laws are in the UK for a citizens arrest, but over here to arrest somebody you have to have a warrant.

kidnapping requires you move your captive to another location without consent doesn't it?

Recently near where I live there was a false imprisonment suit against a man who prevented another person from driving away from a crime scene by blocking his car in a parking space.  This is more or less how it went down from what I remember.

Apparently the assailant got into a fight with somebody at a parking lot of a 7-11 and beat the shit out of someone.  Then he attempted to flea, but a witness pulled their car behind the assailants car preventing him from backing out of the space.  The police came, arrested the man for assault and battery, and a month later the guy who prevented his escape was sued for false imprisonment.

kidnapping requires you move your captive to another location without consent doesn't it?

Recently near where I live there was a false imprisonment suit against a man who prevented another person from driving away from a crime scene by blocking his car in a parking space.  This is more or less how it went down from what I remember.

Apparently the assailant got into a fight with somebody at a parking lot of a 7-11 and beat the shit out of someone.  Then he attempted to flea, but a witness pulled their car behind the assailants car preventing him from backing out of the space.  The police came, arrested the man for assault and battery, and a month later the guy who prevented his escape was sued for false imprisonment.

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on March 15, 2011, 02:53:48 PM

kidnapping requires you move your captive to another location without consent doesn't it?

Recently near where I live there was a false imprisonment suit against a man who prevented another person from driving away from a crime scene by blocking his car in a parking space.  This is more or less how it went down from what I remember.

Apparently the assailant got into a fight with somebody at a parking lot of a 7-11 and beat the shit out of someone.  Then he attempted to flea, but a witness pulled their car behind the assailants car preventing him from backing out of the space.  The police came, arrested the man for assault and battery, and a month later the guy who prevented his escape was sued for false imprisonment.

I just saw an episode of nightline or something that brings up this issue. As far as I understand in Alabama you can be convicted of kidnapping even if the person who you have kidnapped doesn't know it. For example, if you invite a person to drive to a shopping centre with the intention of not letting them escape, and someone foils your plans before you get a chance to use force or before the person is aware of the imminent force, you can be convicted of the act (not simply conspiracy) to kidnap. Now, of course this is just in Alabama as far as I know, but it seems like a legal principal that may relate to other US jurisdictions.

Quote from: Marcus Aurelius on March 15, 2011, 02:53:48 PM

kidnapping requires you move your captive to another location without consent doesn't it?

Recently near where I live there was a false imprisonment suit against a man who prevented another person from driving away from a crime scene by blocking his car in a parking space.  This is more or less how it went down from what I remember.

Apparently the assailant got into a fight with somebody at a parking lot of a 7-11 and beat the shit out of someone.  Then he attempted to flea, but a witness pulled their car behind the assailants car preventing him from backing out of the space.  The police came, arrested the man for assault and battery, and a month later the guy who prevented his escape was sued for false imprisonment.

How exactly did this come up?  What was the situation involved?

I just saw an episode of nightline or something that brings up this issue. As far as I understand in Alabama you can be convicted of kidnapping even if the person who you have kidnapped doesn't know it. For example, if you invite a person to drive to a shopping centre with the intention of not letting them escape, and someone foils your plans before you get a chance to use force or before the person is aware of the imminent force, you can be convicted of the act (not simply conspiracy) to kidnap. Now, of course this is just in Alabama as far as I know, but it seems like a legal principal that may relate to other US jurisdictions.

kidnapping requires you move your captive to another location without consent doesn't it?

Recently near where I live there was a false imprisonment suit against a man who prevented another person from driving away from a crime scene by blocking his car in a parking space.  This is more or less how it went down from what I remember.

Apparently the assailant got into a fight with somebody at a parking lot of a 7-11 and beat the shit out of someone.  Then he attempted to flea, but a witness pulled their car behind the assailants car preventing him from backing out of the space.  The police came, arrested the man for assault and battery, and a month later the guy who prevented his escape was sued for false imprisonment.

Don't worry citizen, the pre-crime division is on its way.

Right, he was sued for false imprisonment, not prosecuted.  If the government had wanted to prosecute him (although i can't imagine why), they'd have to charge him with...um, something related to obstructing the roadway, maybe?  I'm willing to bet that the criminal lost the lawsuit.

What, do you think that the government should only be allowed to step in after the crime is already committed?

What, do you think that the government should only be allowed to step in after the crime is already committed?

Quote from: Saddam Hussein on March 15, 2011, 04:38:28 PM

What, do you think that the government should only be allowed to step in after the crime is already committed?

This is why we have something called "Conspiracy to kidnap" rather than actually being charged with kidnapping even though you haven't kidnapped anyone.

Yeah, that's usually how it works.

'Attempted murder' isn't even a real crime! They don't give out Nobel prizes for 'attempted' chemistry!

Quote from: Sideshow Bob

'Attempted murder' isn't even a real crime! They don't give out Nobel prizes for 'attempted' chemistry!